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AOL24
post Aug 15 2017, 06:09 PM

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Thoughts on this guys?

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2...m_medium=social
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post Sep 7 2017, 12:38 AM

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Been lurking a long time here. Pretty interesting when you guys catch and pitch with each other.

Finally took the plunge and signed up for a FSM account, mainly for the reason of PRS but once I've accumulated RM 10K will jump into the managed portfolio (most likely the aggressive portfolio) and get my bearings of all the terminologies.

Now the painful wait for the identity verification to go through.

Appreciate all the (past) insights from all forum members and look forward to eventually catching and pitching with you guys as well. First step into the UT world biggrin.gif

Btw any forum members attending the "How to Construct a Winning Portfolio?" workshop during the weekend? I'll likely be there.

A friend of mine feels there will be an obvious bias into the instruments they vouch for, since they only do UTs lol.

Any thoughts?

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post Sep 8 2017, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 7 2017, 08:38 AM)
hi welcome to the world of investing where nothing is certain.

i wont be attending those workshops but if you could be a nice guy and give us a welcoming 'tribute', you could give us a summary of important stuff they said there.

your friend is not wrong to say there is bias, it's organized by them for crying out loud, surely they have it to promote their stuff. however, what we see are hard numbers and results, so let them say wat they wan, come back do some research on how true are the stuff they said. you might learn something new that we have no idea about.

ps: joking about the tribute. would appreciate if you could do, but no pressure.  rclxms.gif
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Will gladly take notes and share with everyone what I manage to take away, although please bear in mind that as is, I have limitations as to being able to assess the information - given my lack of knowledge and experience in UT (if that's what they're going to be pushing whole heartedly) hahaha.

But reading a few personal finance books has helped somewhat. Started with the typical "Rich Dad Poor Dad", then went on to digest - to my best ability - "Millionaire Teacher", now currently reading "Money: Master the Game".

I have the "Intelligent Investor" sitting on my nightstand but the first few chapters gave me a headache. Graham uses a lot of terminologies and jargon, not many average Joe/Jane easily understood analogies too.

What other books would you guys recommend someone just getting into investing to read?

And anyone familiar with Ray Dalio's all weather portfolio? Given that the situation of instruments are very different in Malaysia, is there a more localised context that's similar to his asset allocation? 😅
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post Sep 8 2017, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 8 2017, 03:18 AM)
I found this useful and hope that it will be useful to you too......
excerpt taken from wong sui jau's blog .....

"The most important advice I would give to anyone who hasn't started (be it man or woman) and is being held back is to starting investing now, but use a small amount.
Something you are comfortable with even if you suffer losses. It can be as little as one thousand dollars because that is usually all you need to start investing into a unit trust.
Then, as you invest, you will see how markets and such affect your returns and you will be able to learn from your experiences without suffering too much heartache compared to if you placed your entire life savings into the market and lose half of it in a market crash.
The key thing is you have to accumulate investing experience.
No amount of prior reading up and accumulating of knowledge can compare with actual investing experience which can only be built up by using your own money to invest.
You have to experience the emotional pull that comes from market ups and downs and learn how to handle your emotions during those times. And learning from mistakes made is the greatest teacher."
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Suppose that often, pain and happiness is the greatest teacher. However, like Buffet says "Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing". That said, having a rough idea of how markets have trends, are affected by current affairs, and moves in a cohesive cog up and down should come in handy too 😀

Thank you for sharing. Was definitely something I need to be aware of and brace for.

Whole notion of buy scared, sell on greed is surely unsettling for the majority. And surely once real money comes into the picture, I might end up running for the hills on a downtrend.
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post Sep 8 2017, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 8 2017, 09:11 AM)
Unsettling? it depends on how on perceives it
eg.
i'd rather look at it as a shopping experience like:
a. Sale 20% off! 50% off!
vs
b. Stock Shortage - price added/up 30%

I'll stock up EXTRA during (a.)
and
buy less OR even sell off some to the needy/greedy if i've loaded up my freezer / store room during (a.)

The SITUATION is the same
The RESPONSE differs, due to differing or altered PERCEPTION

Just a thought, no absolute right/wrong notworthy.gif
there are those making millions by only "buying high and selling higher", i'm more pedestrian uncle buying groceries - meat, carbo & fibre (asset allocation)  laugh.gif
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Never heard it told like that in my life. Fantastic use of real world situation that can easily be relatable! Thanks for sharing
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post Sep 8 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Sep 8 2017, 09:57 AM)
Reading to gain knowledge is essential part of our life (investing included), so one shall not forgo the importance of it.
Just carry on reading, because when you put money into investment, you expect them to 'automate' so you do other things with your time instead of trading time for money. At the same time, read up too.
Maybe you can try Graham's Security Analysis too.
I believe if you put in amount of money you can afford to lose, when market swings it you won't get that 'emotional pull' you mentioned, unless your stakes are high enough.
Remember rule no.1 Don't lose money.
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Will attempt "Intelligent Investor" once again after finishing the Tony Robbins book. Appreciate the input 😀 thank you!
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post Sep 15 2017, 11:19 PM

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Hi all, just wanted to ask about the CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY - CLASS C fund. From what I understand the aforementioned fund is a feeder for CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund, is that correct? And also, regarding top holdings/exposure would the best up-to-date info be available on bloomberg? FSM's fact sheet is dated July.

Just want to look into some of their top holdings to understand a little more of where I'm putting my money into. Even if the main reason I set up the PRS account was to get the youth incentive, I'd want to know where my money went tongue.gif
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post Sep 15 2017, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 15 2017, 11:54 PM)
one is Shariah compliant and the other is not ....
one is a feeder fund and the is not?
so apple to apple?
may I suggest to ask the FH....for what was published may already be changed by the FM....so cannot have exact knowledge of where our monies are going to be invested.....we can only know where it had been invested......I would normally don't look at where and how much the allocation are for it is beyond my control....we don't spam me....for it is just me...
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How would you gauge which PRS fund to buy then? Fund managers track record? Usual phrase of past performance =/ future performance hahahahah
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post Sep 16 2017, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 16 2017, 12:04 AM)
some would just get the PRS fund to supplement their existing portfolio
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Meaning to say mirror the same funds they bought in their non-PRS UT portfolio? Or diversify?

Thanks for the PB link! biggrin.gif

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post Sep 17 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 17 2017, 10:32 AM)
Actually some companies are abit slow with the fund fact sheet. I usually look up at the actual fund house website for the latest ffs, if fsm isn't quite updated. I believe cimb website should still be more updated compared to Bloomberg.
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If you refer to the CIMB website, its the biannual fund fact sheet > http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/prs/downloadcentre.aspx . Didn't see anything that is constantly updated
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post Sep 19 2017, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 19 2017, 12:31 PM)
had a friends with benefits who worked in the bank before...she constantly asked help from me to prop up her sales.

well at least I got something back. are you? because you aren't my as well just give her cash up front instead of giving to the bank.

Remember it never pays to be nice in the world of investing. you will never be appreciated.
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Lol please start thread in kopitiam. I'm sure we all want to hear this story 😏😏😏

 

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