it will be very hard to replace him.. bn won sarawak is due to him
CM Sarawak Tan Sri Adenan Satem passed away
CM Sarawak Tan Sri Adenan Satem passed away
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it will be very hard to replace him.. bn won sarawak is due to him
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Jan 12 2017, 12:16 PM
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Fenomena.
Sik pernah dengar orang Malaysia bersedih lekak dipadah "Isok cuti pok". Tok first time. Aritok juak la first time hati rasa piluk dengar pemimpin pergi meninggalkan kita. Dari di ofis sampei ke metrocity, dalam radio gik, di jeraya, suram rasa suasana. Di facebook, twitter boh padah gik la. Dalam ati, semua ngenang Tok Nan. Bait nya melayu ka cina ka iban ka urang melaya ka urang sabah ka dacing ka roket ka semua sama-sama bersedih. Sampei ke manusia annoying sentiasa nganok government pun nangis eh. Cayak ko? Aaa.. Selain dari ya, majoriti terpikir, sine arah tuju kita pastok? Sapa gik nak nyambong usaha Tok Nan lamak tok? Semua nampak kelam jak. Bila ditanyak, semua berik jawapan sama: "Aku sik nampak sapa dapat jadi CM pastok. Sikda yang layak." For me, sapa pun jadi CM, sama-sama kita doakan nya mampu meneruskan perjuangan Tok Nan. Jangan terus judge. Cuma nak madah, arap pemimpin-pemimpin sedia ada (and kita juak) dapat nangga la camne reaksi orang Sarawak kinek tok masa dengar berita pemergiannya. Tok la tanda-tanda seorang manusia ya disayang and dihormati orang ramai. Tok semua sik dapat dijual beli. You have to earn it! Kenak nya gya? Kerana nya dekat dengan rakyat (or orang dibah). Sik ada nya masok ofis request lif pakei nya sorang jak. Sik ada nya berisik private jet (or pakei jet perentah) bercuti. Sik ada nya gago nak main golf dengan obama. Humble. Chillax. Minum kedei kopi kedak orang biasa. Tunggah Tok Nan or CM pun ok. Protokol2 mana yang sik perlu tolak tepi. Ciri-ciri tok nang orang suka (ya banyak orang share hal Tok Nan, TGNA, YDP Agong). So arap-arap kita belajar dari fenomena tok. Jangan idup rasa kaya rasa best gilak walaupun nang kaya. Mun x kaya boh padah gik la. InsyaAllah orang hormat & sayang. Sama-sama kita sedekahkan Al-Fatihah & berharap & berdoa, negeri kita terus sukses dan perjuangan Tok Nan bukan nya sik dilupak jak tapi diteruskan. That's the best way to honour him. |
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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jan 12 2017, 12:16 PM) Fenomena. Tak paham tapi inalillah.Sik pernah dengar orang Malaysia bersedih lekak dipadah "Isok cuti pok". Tok first time. Aritok juak la first time hati rasa piluk dengar pemimpin pergi meninggalkan kita. Dari di ofis sampei ke metrocity, dalam radio gik, di jeraya, suram rasa suasana. Di facebook, twitter boh padah gik la. Dalam ati, semua ngenang Tok Nan. Bait nya melayu ka cina ka iban ka urang melaya ka urang sabah ka dacing ka roket ka semua sama-sama bersedih. Sampei ke manusia annoying sentiasa nganok government pun nangis eh. Cayak ko? Aaa.. Selain dari ya, majoriti terpikir, sine arah tuju kita pastok? Sapa gik nak nyambong usaha Tok Nan lamak tok? Semua nampak kelam jak. Bila ditanyak, semua berik jawapan sama: "Aku sik nampak sapa dapat jadi CM pastok. Sikda yang layak." For me, sapa pun jadi CM, sama-sama kita doakan nya mampu meneruskan perjuangan Tok Nan. Jangan terus judge. Cuma nak madah, arap pemimpin-pemimpin sedia ada (and kita juak) dapat nangga la camne reaksi orang Sarawak kinek tok masa dengar berita pemergiannya. Tok la tanda-tanda seorang manusia ya disayang and dihormati orang ramai. Tok semua sik dapat dijual beli. You have to earn it! Kenak nya gya? Kerana nya dekat dengan rakyat (or orang dibah). Sik ada nya masok ofis request lif pakei nya sorang jak. Sik ada nya berisik private jet (or pakei jet perentah) bercuti. Sik ada nya gago nak main golf dengan obama. Humble. Chillax. Minum kedei kopi kedak orang biasa. Tunggah Tok Nan or CM pun ok. Protokol2 mana yang sik perlu tolak tepi. Ciri-ciri tok nang orang suka (ya banyak orang share hal Tok Nan, TGNA, YDP Agong). So arap-arap kita belajar dari fenomena tok. Jangan idup rasa kaya rasa best gilak walaupun nang kaya. Mun x kaya boh padah gik la. InsyaAllah orang hormat & sayang. Sama-sama kita sedekahkan Al-Fatihah & berharap & berdoa, negeri kita terus sukses dan perjuangan Tok Nan bukan nya sik dilupak jak tapi diteruskan. That's the best way to honour him. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2017, 09:16 AM) You can do this and really find out what is the truth or You can stay where you are as an ignorant person. Also, there's a lot of hate towards SIB by the independents, and I keep on hearing about the red tape and bureaucracy issues with that church. I think that the rough and forceful proselytizing done by SIB soured a lot of the minorities into being very suspicious of funding coming from a large organization. |
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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jan 12 2017, 01:16 PM) Fenomena. Gaduh dalam udah. Manyuh amai belah bagi. Aku cuma harap perintah baru bawah CM baru kekal kukuh. Macam nuan jaku, aku pun madah tusah mau jaku, siapa yang ulih, siapa yang layak. Tusah amai. Aku doakan semoga Sarawak kekal bebas dari segala buruk dan bertambah makmur.Sik pernah dengar orang Malaysia bersedih lekak dipadah "Isok cuti pok". Tok first time. Aritok juak la first time hati rasa piluk dengar pemimpin pergi meninggalkan kita. Dari di ofis sampei ke metrocity, dalam radio gik, di jeraya, suram rasa suasana. Di facebook, twitter boh padah gik la. Dalam ati, semua ngenang Tok Nan. Bait nya melayu ka cina ka iban ka urang melaya ka urang sabah ka dacing ka roket ka semua sama-sama bersedih. Sampei ke manusia annoying sentiasa nganok government pun nangis eh. Cayak ko? Aaa.. Selain dari ya, majoriti terpikir, sine arah tuju kita pastok? Sapa gik nak nyambong usaha Tok Nan lamak tok? Semua nampak kelam jak. Bila ditanyak, semua berik jawapan sama: "Aku sik nampak sapa dapat jadi CM pastok. Sikda yang layak." For me, sapa pun jadi CM, sama-sama kita doakan nya mampu meneruskan perjuangan Tok Nan. Jangan terus judge. Cuma nak madah, arap pemimpin-pemimpin sedia ada (and kita juak) dapat nangga la camne reaksi orang Sarawak kinek tok masa dengar berita pemergiannya. Tok la tanda-tanda seorang manusia ya disayang and dihormati orang ramai. Tok semua sik dapat dijual beli. You have to earn it! Kenak nya gya? Kerana nya dekat dengan rakyat (or orang dibah). Sik ada nya masok ofis request lif pakei nya sorang jak. Sik ada nya berisik private jet (or pakei jet perentah) bercuti. Sik ada nya gago nak main golf dengan obama. Humble. Chillax. Minum kedei kopi kedak orang biasa. Tunggah Tok Nan or CM pun ok. Protokol2 mana yang sik perlu tolak tepi. Ciri-ciri tok nang orang suka (ya banyak orang share hal Tok Nan, TGNA, YDP Agong). So arap-arap kita belajar dari fenomena tok. Jangan idup rasa kaya rasa best gilak walaupun nang kaya. Mun x kaya boh padah gik la. InsyaAllah orang hormat & sayang. Sama-sama kita sedekahkan Al-Fatihah & berharap & berdoa, negeri kita terus sukses dan perjuangan Tok Nan bukan nya sik dilupak jak tapi diteruskan. That's the best way to honour him. |
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 12 2017, 08:36 AM) You know, as much flak Shin Yang gets, they're the only one of the very few heavyweights that could actually do work. Not waiting to be fed. Initially a large part of the Pan Borneo projects in Sarawak would have been fully-subcontracted to west Malaysian companies. If it wasn't for certain figures, no Sarawakian companies would have gottten a direct contract. Even now, most, if not many are "sub contractors" with the fat layer being in West Malaysia. Some 'competition'. You're right.Secondly,to a certain extent almost everything that both Sabah and Sarawak imports by sea and air routes, would have to go through Peninsular Malaysia first. NO EXCEPTIONS. Because of the cabotage policies implemented. Not even mentioning how much of "chains" needed just to transport something from somewhere in Peninsular before it even reaches the ports of Sabah and Sarawak. Sarawak has it better since they can import directly from Indonesia with a far cheaper price (Kuching is without a doubt nearer to the more developed parts of Indonesia, regardless of land or sea route). The same goes for vice versa too. Except, the ones at the chokepoints are mostly Peninsular companies. Yes, this is the "competition". You're spiting Shin Yang, but forget that in the overall picture, the wolves and jackals are numerous that every Sarawakian companies are under the mercy of these players from Peninsular. Please understand though, my contention isn't with a single entity. Shin yang is just endemic of the larger problem we face. Why aren't we competitive? Why have we been left behind in progress? All this can be attributed to our political leaders, we can't just blame the west for holding us back all the time. Sarawak is just as complicit. |
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QUOTE(rekeyz @ Jan 12 2017, 12:14 PM) nang bena bos..lari dri topik abis tered tok.pa slh kta discuss pa na dh dpolah late Tok Nan.bak kata nya dolok "dh na patah pinggang mun drive dri kuching p miri".nektok nasib da pan borneo.org seberang xtau pok seksa kta kat swak tok.bok na maju kit swak.bkn Tok Nan da magic wand trus maju smua and tukr smua policy. tapi gine2 lama x nangga u bos kat o&g.kbye. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Jan 12 2017, 02:35 PM) You're right. I'm not going to defend Shin Yang. After all everyone knows that Shin Yang, as big as it is today, is a reminder of Taib's era where he had tendrils and arms into everywhere, everything.Please understand though, my contention isn't with a single entity. Shin yang is just endemic of the larger problem we face. Why aren't we competitive? Why have we been left behind in progress? All this can be attributed to our political leaders, we can't just blame the west for holding us back all the time. Sarawak is just as complicit. If you think we can't blame the west, think hard again. Petronas made Shell close the one and only refinery in Miri. The only one and only refinery in entire of East Malaysia (bar Brunei). Instead now they have plans for refinery in West Malaysia (and ironically they ain't even in Kelantan and Terengganu). Petronas laid off workers. Guess what? Higher staffs are from Peninsular. SOP (Sarawak Oil Palm) laid off workers, retained almost all peninsular staff, much to the chagrin of the laid off workers. Competence issue aside (because we all know they had to downsize), the real crux is the fact that the pie that Sarawak had is shrinking. Now if Sarawak doesn't fight toe to nail for the size, it can never grow. There is a port in Bintulu. Ships pay RM1 million per entry. Guess who owns the port? Federal in Putrajaya. Not Kuching. The money is paid there. But the infrastructure is in Bintulu. You think locals will be content staring at those money which was rightfully Sarawak government to be taken away just like that? The real problem was if there's a pie, its shinking in size. Worse, the percentage of the pie that used to be of Sarawak's, is now getting even smaller. Look at the Pan Borneo project. Its paid for entirely by the Sarawakians. How? By deducting the annual allocation to Sarawak. Its not even a "federal" extra-ordinary budget. Its not like Federal said "lets set aside xxyyzz billions specially for Sabahans and Sarawakians for the Pan Borneo project". And yet the HEAD of the project are those in Peninsular. to put it bluntly in a tl;dr form: Project Pan Borneo should have been: - fully funded by federal govt - headed entirely by State Government (respective sides) with their own contractors and subcontractors instead, it is - funded by the state govt by slashing their annual allocation by the fed - headed by consortiums in Peninsular (based entirely in Peninsular) - projects ran by west malaysians in all key positions. keyword: ALL - layers and layers of fat with only bits and parts alloted to Sarawakian companies and subcontractors. so instead of its current form; might as well do the following: - let state govt allocate (without saying anything) from the yearly allocation - appoint contractors locally (no peninsular companies allowed) - appoint all locals and you get all the benefits above, minus the fats and money transactions going to peninsular. But it didn't. Because somebody promised something and delivered entirely different. Else why would Adenan Satim voiced his grievances in the Parliament as the CM of Sarawak, and only Borneo based newspapers even bothered to report about it? Think. If you think opening up to the peninsular is a "GREAT" move, think again. It isn't that the 'rage' against the peninsular was something that came up overnight. Its something that was already brewing way long before. This post has been edited by hyperyouth_firepower: Jan 12 2017, 01:58 PM |
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 12 2017, 01:55 PM) I'm not going to defend Shin Yang. After all everyone knows that Shin Yang, as big as it is today, is a reminder of Taib's era where he had tendrils and arms into everywhere, everything. Exactly. And all this is made possible with complicit politicians on our side.If you think we can't blame the west, think hard again. Petronas made Shell close the one and only refinery in Miri. The only one and only refinery in entire of East Malaysia (bar Brunei). Instead now they have plans for refinery in West Malaysia (and ironically they ain't even in Kelantan and Terengganu). Petronas laid off workers. Guess what? Higher staffs are from Peninsular. SOP (Sarawak Oil Palm) laid off workers, retained almost all peninsular staff, much to the chagrin of the laid off workers. Competence issue aside (because we all know they had to downsize), the real crux is the fact that the pie that Sarawak had is shrinking. Now if Sarawak doesn't fight toe to nail for the size, it can never grow. There is a port in Bintulu. Ships pay RM1 million per entry. Guess who owns the port? Federal in Putrajaya. Not Kuching. The money is paid there. But the infrastructure is in Bintulu. You think locals will be content staring at those money which was rightfully Sarawak government to be taken away just like that? The real problem was if there's a pie, its shinking in size. Worse, the percentage of the pie that used to be of Sarawak's, is now getting even smaller. Look at the Pan Borneo project. Its paid for entirely by the Sarawakians. How? By deducting the annual allocation to Sarawak. Its not even a "federal" extra-ordinary budget. Its not like Federal said "lets set aside xxyyzz billions specially for Sabahans and Sarawakians for the Pan Borneo project". And yet the HEAD of the project are those in Peninsular. to put it bluntly in a tl;dr form: Project Pan Borneo should have been: - fully funded by federal govt - headed entirely by State Government (respective sides) with their own contractors and subcontractors instead, it is - funded by the state govt by slashing their annual allocation by the fed - headed by consortiums in Peninsular (based entirely in Peninsular) - projects ran by west malaysians in all key positions. keyword: ALL - layers and layers of fat with only bits and parts alloted to Sarawakian companies and subcontractors. If you think opening up to the peninsular is a "GREAT" move, think again. It isn't that the 'rage' against the peninsular was something that came up overnight. Its something that was already brewing way long before. The late CM might be on the right path, but with politics in Malaysia how can one be sure it's just not part of a bigger plan against the people. Divide and conquer. Boogie man. All these are classic ruses to rile and influence the people. I understand perfectly why Sarawakians mistrust the West, but are we sure we have our enemies right? |
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I wonder why Malaysia agong don't bother to come. Even Brunei sultan come.
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Jan 12 2017, 03:00 PM) Exactly. And all this is made possible with complicit politicians on our side. No. True unity lies within the people of the state.The late CM might be on the right path, but with politics in Malaysia how can one be sure it's just not part of a bigger plan against the people. Divide and conquer. Boogie man. All these are classic ruses to rile and influence the people. I understand perfectly why Sarawakians mistrust the West, but are we sure we have our enemies right? If the state is united, they can do things on their own. Sarawak, in hindsight or in foresight, despite giving away a lot of powers to Federal, has somewhat a lot of powers within that they can freely regulate and exercise. They should do it. Without saying much, there are ministers that are ministers for so long, but never got the nod to be the CM. There are even other kinds of wolves and jackals waiting. Let alone the hyenas, vultures, crocs and piranhas. A lot of the laws in Sarawak are in such a way that irregardless whatever happens to Peninsular, or Sabah, Sarawak can shape its future within Malaysia even with or without autonomy. There are a lot of connecting reasons, like the cabotage policies (which means that heavy industry can only support local industry, not meant to be exported because Sarawak exports will NEVER be competitive with the cabotage policies). Like the very recent ruling that Sarawak has the rights to use satelite TVs. Or the fact that no matter what kind of court cases, only Sarawakian based lawyers can be called upon to represent their clients. The thing you're asking for is entirely not viable for Sarawak when Sarawak needs the protection it can to develop within. |
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « bena bos..na dak kt atas tok banyak glak klaka hal politik.Tok Nan dh ninggal pun x respect.mun mok buka lh tered lain.klaka kt sia.mun rsa pandei glak jd wakil tuk jd yb.mun x antar lh memo na kita x puas ati p menteri na.tok bashing ctok jak. |
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 12 2017, 02:10 PM) No. True unity lies within the people of the state. I'm talking about a larger scale here, Sarawak in Malaysia as a whole. Division, against the West. If the state is united, they can do things on their own. Sarawak, in hindsight or in foresight, despite giving away a lot of powers to Federal, has somewhat a lot of powers within that they can freely regulate and exercise. They should do it. Without saying much, there are ministers that are ministers for so long, but never got the nod to be the CM. There are even other kinds of wolves and jackals waiting. Let alone the hyenas, vultures, crocs and piranhas. A lot of the laws in Sarawak are in such a way that irregardless whatever happens to Peninsular, or Sabah, Sarawak can shape its future within Malaysia even with or without autonomy. There are a lot of connecting reasons, like the cabotage policies (which means that heavy industry can only support local industry, not meant to be exported because Sarawak exports will NEVER be competitive with the cabotage policies). Like the very recent ruling that Sarawak has the rights to use satelite TVs. Or the fact that no matter what kind of court cases, only Sarawakian based lawyers can be called upon to represent their clients. The thing you're asking for is entirely not viable for Sarawak when Sarawak needs the protection it can to develop within. Ask yourself honestly, what can Sarawak really do. As I said, the late Adenan sends the right message. But can he really reverse the years of decline given time? Can anyone? No, when we're sabotaged by our own kind. We're stifled by their greed. And in the end it just plays into the BN master plan. Sarawak should stop blaming everything on the West, and look to itself to be a part of Malaysia. The West is nothing more than bad cop at this stage, manipulating Sarawak and holding their FD. Know what I mean? Anyone who thinks that Sarawak can survive on its own isn't thinking right. |
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Jan 12 2017, 03:27 PM) I'm talking about a larger scale here, Sarawak in Malaysia as a whole. Division, against the West. One thing that irks me, is that your message of BN this BN that.Ask yourself honestly, what can Sarawak really do. As I said, the late Adenan sends the right message. But can he really reverse the years of decline given time? Can anyone? No, when we're sabotaged by our own kind. We're stifled by their greed. And in the end it just plays into the BN master plan. Sarawak should stop blaming everything on the West, and look to itself to be a part of Malaysia. The West is nothing more than bad cop at this stage, manipulating Sarawak and holding their FD. Know what I mean? Anyone who thinks that Sarawak can survive on its own isn't thinking right. This is NOT about asal bukan BN. I don't think a lot of people give two hoots which coalitions of parties. At ground level, its which leaders that they can respect and elect. At state level, who can command respect of parties, govt or opposition. You yap about "division". Yet you spew about "asal bukan BN"-esque talks about "BN master plan", "divide and conquer". Is it wrong for the citizens of the state to state what's right for their state? |
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Jan 12 2017, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jan 11 2017, 06:30 PM) It's a human nature to be racist, it doesnt have to be a hatred racism but it covers many aspect in our lives. Many times we discuss about that, we championing and elevate democracy as the pillar of the Constitution But whenver it comes to elect someone to be our leader, deep inside we support our kind who has the same mutual interest as ours. It's our instinct to be that way, we were brought that way. If not u will see an Asian become the president of USA, a pakistani leading UK presidential election and a sub saharan or tribe from the inner china steppe the next premier of China |
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QUOTE(TreyLey @ Jan 12 2017, 07:52 PM) It's a human nature to be racist, it doesnt have to be a hatred racism but it covers many aspect in our lives. Nope, the only race is the human race. Now get that screwed in your damn head before you get purged, heretic!Many times we discuss about that, we championing and elevate democracy as the pillar of the Constitution But whenver it comes to elect someone to be our leader, deep inside we support our kind who has the same mutual interest as ours. It's our instinct to be that way, we were brought that way. If not u will see an Asian become the president of USA, a pakistani leading UK presidential election and a sub saharan or tribe from the inner china steppe the next premier of China |
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