Hi,

I would like to ask if anyone has taken this Extra Peria supplement before? Does it work?

I am asking this for someone else who is currently using Insulin but in small doses. I think can replace with supplement instead of the hassle of injecting Insulin.

Also does this product regulate the Insulin in your body to a safe level and not just blindly bring down the blood sugar level at the risk of Hypoglycemia (Too low Sugar Level).

Please give your feedback.

Why not study how digest system work 1st?
Then do investigation on ingest content and insulin lvl corelation?

From there it will give u further insight.

Better you take lots of bitter gourd vege, than bitter gourd extract.

Other supplement you may consider:
- R-lipoic acid
- Ceylon cinnamon (not your normal cinnamon)
- Turmeric
- Grape seed extract to prevent complication

Combine the above with
(i) ketogenic diet or high fibre diet with complex carb
(ii) high intensity exercise

These should improve your blood sugar reading.

What all diabetics should have:
1. A glucometer
2. Knowledge of the symptoms of hypoglycemia.

So, if your friend have the above, go ahead and try.

But I won't place any high hopes on it.

if extra peria really work, all those thousands of medical researcher around the world apparently are completely inept.

I strongly believe those 'paid' medical researchers really are inept, so I am looking for alternatives.

bro, imagine the water in the tank (glucose in food) and the pipe that brings that water around (blood vessels that bring the glucose around), and the faucet (Insulin), and you waiting thirstily at the sink (you).

without Insulin, aint no glucose gonna get into yer cells, bro...and all those glucose are just gonna damage yer blood vessels much like those trapped water gonna rust yer pipes.

what ya need is Insulin; its got very distinct molecular structures. Bitter gourds aint any insluin

You have no experience so I don't blame you for just mirroring what you have googled. There's a good and bad in everything. Insulin can be a life saver but it is also very dangerous.

The side effects are hypoglycemia and risk Coma and death if not properly monitored.

Let me tell you from experience. A friend of mine fell into hypoglycemia a few years ago and although was saved in time by family members, suffered brain damage and now no longer acts like a normal person.

Now I have my own experience. This certain hospital HU** prescribed 12 Units of Insulin for my mother 3 Times a day before meals and another maintenance dose (Diff Insulin) at 10 pm at night. We were not warned about the side effects and the 'so called' trained nurse even told us to give the same dose as long as the reading was above 4.

Luckily I monitored her Blood Sugar levels constantly 4-5 times a day. Many Days her readings fell into the danger zone 3.2, 3.1, 2.8. 2.4..... Each time I managed to give her sugar in the nick of time to revive her.

For those busy people who can't monitor for the elderly , I fear many might have just trusted and followed what the hospital told them to do and I guess some would have died and the blame would be put on the disease without realising it was the Insulin causing Hypo that killed them.

For your info, I am now only giving my mother a dose of 2 or 3 before meals to keep her levels in normal range. A huge difference from the 12 Units prescribed by the Hospital. If I just give a few units extra units she will go into Hypo and put her life in danger again.

So now I am no longer risking my mother's life on Insulin just for a dose of 2 or 3.

And also for your info Bitter Gourd and other foodstuff might not be Insulin but it can lower and regulate your sugar levels , just how much depends on different people. I am trying to find natural alternatives to bring down her sugar , some may work , some may not , I am sure I will find a better solution.

Doesn't mean Insulin is the only solution, unless you are type 1 Diabetes and your Pancreas no longer functioning.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Jan 10 2017, 06:49 AM

Since you haf the blood glucose machine, why not do a simple test? Administer bitter gourd or some other natural food u think may help, and test it post 2 hours after consumption.

What? Insulin of just 2 unit?
That's hardly anything.
Time to go back to doctor to readjust medication.
Anyway, still got monitor the hba1c?

Actually if still early stage can reverse though good diet and exercise.

Whoa, 12 units three times a day is quite hefty, unless yer mom is ih her 40-50s, eats a lot of glucose and is heavy in weight. That maintenance insulin you gotta pay attention too. She can lapse into lower sugars in her sleep and on the long run, this is damaging too. eg yer mom can go, (if checked every hour), say; from midningt 7,6,5,4,3,3,3,4,5.. when she wakes up, you see ''5'', but those 3s and 4s are aint great.

If she is 70s, 80s...dude, we dont need very strict control anymore over the blood sugars (but dont let them go 12, 13, 14 etc ya know?). Look at that long-acting insulin too, bro. That long-acting one is not as benign as you think. ..and with the sugars of yer mom that yer typed up there, i'd ran amok at the nurse for dosing it all wrong. Good luck bro.

Thanks for your logical advice.

Either the nurse was just following what was prescribed by the doctor or she was not properly trained. She was in fact the trainer who taught us how to use the Injection Kit.

Btw, the long acting one was instructed by the trainer to give 14 Units at Night 10 pm. But I reduced it according to different levels of blood sugar readings. In order not to risk Hypo situation, I reduced to a level so that in the morning it is in the 7.X mmol range. I hope I am doing it safely.

Good idea.
Can report to us the results too

[quote=Ngto,Jan 11 2017, 09:19 PM]

If its once at night then it sound like its Lantus (Insulin Glargine). Yeah, you tirtrated it correct there. U see, really, on overage, assuming we are not heavy with reasonable diet, we just need, say 20-30 units og equivalent Novorapid per 24hrs you know; I'd say i needed 25 units maybe less. We are designed, on very good diet and exercise and weight, to last about 120 years (150years?) from our own insulin from the pancreas. But look at us, everything in cars and escalators.. we can only go 70-80 years... what with our nasik lemak and roti canai some more..

Ah, i think with your titration and care, your mom will be ok lah; u must tell the nurse too..she might learn something..so that other people dont need to go thru hypos.

Tell us what u find on searches on bitter gourds. If it helps i want to use it in my diet to save my pancreas

Natural Supplements don't just work immediately. I can't just stop Insulin and replace with supplements just to test. And it's not cheap either. If I give together with Insulin it might interfere and cause Hypo (If it works, that is).

That's why I am asking if any one tried this supplement to give their feedback.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Jan 12 2017, 06:01 AM

Deleted . Double post.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Jan 12 2017, 05:56 AM

All I know is it's called Insuman Basal.

I called their advisory helpline they gave before. It was a waste of time. They have washed their hands the momeny they discharged my mother. They asked us to follow up with the govt Klinik which they gave a referral letter to.

That Klinik Kesihatan's young inexperienced doctor didn't even know what advice to give, then asked his Assisting Nurse for her opinion .

This post has been edited by Ngto: Jan 12 2017, 06:19 AM

Seriously, if the blood sugar is like you mentioned on that insulin regime, there might be no need for the insulin. Could have been changed to oral drugs.

You keep a record of the blood sugar right?
If not do a 7 point reading. Ie before breakfast , , an hour after breakfast, before lunch, an hour after lunch, same for dinner, and the last one before sleeping.

Also, write down what she ate and the time she ate. Write down the insulin regime too.

Then bring it to the doctor to adjust medication.

I have already done all that for more than a month. Why do you think I am brave enough to lower her dosage by 90% rather than follow the instructions from the inept doctors. She would have died from Insulin overdose if I had followed them.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Jan 12 2017, 08:24 AM

Follow up with a different doctor then.
Perhaps she would be better off with metformin 2 times a day and not worry about going hypo

I am worried about side effects of oral medication since she is elderly.

Will consult a knowledgeable doctor soon.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Jan 12 2017, 08:51 AM

As far as I know any medication in any form is not recommended. Well, doctor will argue either you want to take this small risk instead of the risk you are facing now.

What actual cause of your insulin deficiency or or do you suffer from insulin immunity? This might help /k doctors

Most of the time the damage to liver or kidney thing is misunderstood by the public.

Go take a blood test which include the liver function(alt,ast)and renal profile ( creat, urea). If result normal and taking drug in normal doses why fear about damage to liver or kidney? That's just has no basis

This is what I was told by doctor himself on certain type of medication.

Metformin does not damage your kidney. Uncontrolled diabetes does.

It may not damage your kidney but perhaps other parts of your body. Like many medication, prolonged use damages were not discovered sometimes after 20 years. Just need to closely monitored by doctor for any medication because different person has different side effect. That is why there is precaution for Metformin.

Well with Metformin, the only SE is depletion of vit B12 which can easily be replaced with vit B12

Totally agree with Ramjade. The general side effect and long term effects of Oral Hyperglycemic Drugs such as metformin and gliclazide is negligable in fact. It has a long history of clinical trials and use by patients. I have seen so many uncompliant patients suffering and regretting only after having to start on dialysis.

Lifestyle changes and also exercise is of course important but at the same time to control the sugar levels, medications are essential with close monitoring of blood sugar. I am a believer that diabetes medication can be stopped but to be taperred down accordingly

I have a health product which is totally natural to be assimilated in the treatment of DM (mst continue medications while taking it), and i am willing to sponsor anyone who is interested for 1-2 month. If positive effects you may continue taking it. If no then you make jst stop taking. Do PM me

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Seem effective for type 2 diabetes. Dont let ur health go to waste


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Bro, may I know what water source you are consuming? with treated with your diabetes.

Once on insulin, you may not be able to reverse the condition as your pancreas is most likely not producing insulin anymore. Type-2 Diabetes is reversible through diet and nutrition. Long term use of medication does have side effect, hence the supplementation of Vitamin B12 or Neurobion for nerves; kidney failure can occur due to uncontrolled diabetes and also contraindication of drugs. You may want to check the side effects of prescribed drugs via PDR.net; they also list

In order to reduce your insulin dosage, you may take
i) Chromium Picolinate (which has enough clinical studies to prove its efficacy in fighting insulin resistance and restoring our body's metabolism to optimum levels)
ii)The other supplements which you will definitely need is Vitamin B12 (for nerve health)
iii)Vitamin D (Just go out and enjoy the morning sun
iv) Magnesium (will cut down food craving especially in the mid morning and mid evening)

Yup, this kidney thing is the most misunderstood of all. I always get this forwarded message from friends and family saying that by taking diabetes medications, it causes renal failure in patients with diabetes. In fact, it's the other way around. This article clarifies this misunderstanding.

https://dosinghealth.com/2017/09/04/medicat...kidney-failure/

guys anyone here using blood glucose meter at home? How accurate is this one touch perfect simple gadget?

guys.. can recommend any doctor who is well versed with diabetes management around klang valley? thanks

almost any doctor can manage........diabetes is bread and butter anyway

When you take medication, it may be too high or low dosage for your body. So you need to monitor your body energy levels and feedback your doctor. Too high dosage will cause low sugar and you can faint.

The most natural way is eat wholesome carbs, no sugar and workout. Many don't have the discipline to maintain this lifestyle.

seems like it is affecting the creatinine levels.. which is worrying but not sure what caused it to shoot so high up.

In addition to existing medical consultation, suggest switch the daily meal habits to fully plant-based.
Meatfree. Seafood-free. Dairy-free.

Instead try to start adopting 5-colour diet habits, with low fat low sugar, consistently from the whole grains and vegan food source.

It will help reverse chronic disease effectively.

Among the food that help stable down blood glucose :
Ginger, lady fingers, apples, celery, steamed oil-free potatoes, carrots, roll oats, wheat bran, lotus root, sea weeds, black fungus, guava, etc.
For sugar replacement, stevia is effective.

There are so many simple easy creative ways to prepare plant based meals. Such as simply water stir fry, cook into porridge, make warm vege fruit juice, cook into thick soup, etc.

For more info on how vegan diets can reverse disease, msy Google up :
- dr will turtle
- neal barnard vegan diet

For plant based or vegan recipes, there are simply tonnes of websites and facebook pages and groups can be joined.

Best wishes.

This post has been edited by Life_House: Jan 6 2018, 08:11 AM

fyi ; once you are diagnored with diabetes ; there is NO known cure for now.. you just need to control you sugar level... and healthy food intake

Can try my doctor, Dr Leslie Lai in Gleneagles.

I used to take 3 type insulin plus a glp a lot of oral drugs, metformin, micardis, lipitor etc

Now only on diet and exercise, my current hb1ac is 5.1

And he empathize with your condition.

Thanks for suggesting, but no longer feasible. She too old , can't walk and exercise anymore, and suffering from dementia and other mental health issues.

Just bringing her to see doctor is a big task, let alone do the necessary blood tests.

How old is she? As other suggested you can do insulin adjustment yourself, i did on my own too based on my diet and activity.

I created this topic, you can read all my old posts.

Peria doesn't work imho.