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 Honda City Gen 6 V.0發, FL incoming :)

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danthe0
post Aug 22 2017, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 21 2017, 11:59 PM)
Really? shocking.gif  I thought the PhoneLink was just a button on the HU. The manual never mentioned they have a mirrorlink app with THAT name! WTH!

And yeah, FL HU is Fujitsu FT0110A
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Good find on the model number.
FCC doc shows they have an AUX out. Really, Honda...? <RM2 connector+wire routing cannot provide?
FCC (2016) doc shows they using a NF2301 bluetooth+DSP.

nFore website Company History:
In April of 2008, nFore designed its third Bluetooth module NF2301/NF2303: Bluetooth 2.1. In the same year Visteon North America adopted the designs of Tiger and Mode platform series.

That's right, designed in 2008. 10 year old Bluetooth + DSP technology. Even Axia has Bass, Mid, Treble adjustment.
This is cost cutting to ridiculous levels. *sigh*

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post Aug 24 2017, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(mck_cf @ Aug 24 2017, 09:53 PM)
Wow hybrid 25km/l....
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Yup, with Jazz hybrid (same enginer + transmission), easily 24km/l. Just release pedal when detect going to slow down, brake gently and accelerate smoothly. Ez. The fuel consumption meter is off by extra 5% (source)
This is 80km/h highway speed though. 110km/h will suffer.

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danthe0
post Aug 24 2017, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(mck_cf @ Aug 24 2017, 10:11 PM)
Do correct me if i am wrong, the meter reading changing from time to time according to driving conditions, so 19km/l might be the last reading & not the highest achieved reading.
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It shows average only.
Their "Current" fuel consumption is only displayed in bars....... in another menu...
|0|====---|15|------|30|------|60|

Hybrid special feature, crawling in traffic = AVG fuel consumption increase rather than decrease whistling.gif until the battery runs out cry.gif

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post Aug 24 2017, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(mck_cf @ Aug 24 2017, 10:34 PM)
24km/l meter reading?
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Yes 24km/l meter reading, Average. I set to reset when power off.
So, power on -> Drive -> Check Avg -> power off.
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post Aug 26 2017, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 26 2017, 03:59 PM)
You followed the steps in Pg 72, right? Congrats!

P.S: As 'Staff', maybe you can help sticky this method to help FL users make use of the crap HU at least usable.
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QUOTE(prasys @ Aug 26 2017, 04:28 PM)
The top spec comes with 6 airbags and all the other goodies as well

Not really , just plugged in HDMI and just tried it out

I am making a video and I think I'll update the first thread to include how to hack it. I think it's best to start a new version of the thread
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Jazz Hyb. user manual doesn't mention anything about HU. Not even a picture. tongue.gif

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post Aug 26 2017, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(stinger @ Aug 26 2017, 06:22 PM)
Maybe you can remove the sticker and try to see if it is smoother experience, btw the speaker was stock?
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Resistive touchscreen cry.gif , remove plastic no help at all... and speaker is stock, he just got his car few days ago.
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post Aug 27 2017, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Aug 26 2017, 05:04 PM)
Here you go guys

How to mirror your Android phone screen to your HU ! No need to pay to cut wire or any of the other things

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Can you list down your device chain on how to get it like your video please ?
ie. Phone -> Cable/Wireless -> Device #1 -> Cable/Wireless -> HU ?

[edit] Sorry, was dumb, didn't read description at youtube. Just pushed play.
Here's the excerpt.

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Published on Aug 26, 2017
In this guide , I quickly walk you through on how to mirror your Android phone to the headunit and allow it to be controlled from the headunit

Best part you don't have to modify your car. No you do not even need to cut the brake thingy and other stuff.


Please read it through

Here are the tools that you need

Google Chromecast or any casting device. I just prefer Google Chromecast !
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MHL Cable (Mobile HDMI cable - some phones do support this.You can charge and mirror your phone)
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PhoneLink App - https://play.google.com/store/apps/de...


It only works with Android

1. Connect your chromecast/MHL cable/other cast devices and make sure your Android phone is set to mirror it (Make sure your phone is paired with the unit first)
2. Once it has been mirrored , launch the PhoneLink app and press accept. Once you have done it properly , you'll see PhoneLink as an option
3. Connect it and now you may mirror

Take a look at the full experience. If it has helped your worked for you , please let me know in the comment

Do not forget to subscribe or to like!


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post Aug 27 2017, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ch3n_low @ Aug 27 2017, 06:05 PM)
Some corrections regarding my City Hybrid... this is the best I can do.. 650km driving in KL city... if no traffic jam, maybe can get more mileage

Ps: Petrol used 35litre, RM75.1
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Any jerking when engine charging battery + stop & go traffic ?
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post Aug 28 2017, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 28 2017, 10:06 PM)
Lolz! Turn off Eco mode in a Eco car kinda defeats its purpose, dont you think?
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Nah, that's just driving style. Eco remaps throttle input, so need to re-adapt to new mapping, or just turn it off.
I'm running Jazz hybrid on normal mode with trip average: 28km/l free flow 85%/15% highway/city. Return trip 25km/l, 20 minutes jam of total 60 minutes travel time.
If running sports mode vroom vroom under 100km/h, 28km/l -> 20km/l icon_idea.gif I dare not imagine jam + sports mode + jerking tranny.

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post Aug 28 2017, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 28 2017, 10:53 PM)
If I recall correctly, Eco dulls your throttle input a little to flatten your acceleration. Also delays the ac compressor to further save fuel.

25 28km/l are not normal figures leh. Under instant fuel consumption, I understand how those numbers come about. Average fuel consumption?

Unless, you're not driving a city...?
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Edited last post for clarity, running jazz hybrid, same powertrain + weight. Figures in last post are trip average.
Now trying to tune HU sound system, too much idling... very close to 6 hours total idling time... Avg since 0000000 km ~18km/l.
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post Aug 29 2017, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Aug 29 2017, 12:17 AM)
Ugh envy you , 28km/l or 25km/l . I am now at 18km/l. Soon , I'll be clocking 21-22 hopefully hehehe
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Have to apologise to those driving behind you though. City driving, after speed bumps... even the old aunty in the Saga on the left lane overtake doh.gif
Highway either use battery or if in engine mode get to 75-80km/h (for safety).
While coasting in engine mode, maintain throttle at 20-30% just right before the icon stops showing the green battery charging indicator to top up battery.
While coasting in straight highway, you can apply 3-7% throttle to lessen the regen coast effect while still charging the battery (1 bar Charge though)
If the area usually jam, ~1 km before enter that area, force into engine mode (tap throttle +20%) and revert throttle to 20-30% to force charge battery. Best to enter jam with 4 bar of battery then at least can enjoy aircond abit.
If enter jam with 3 bar, turn off A/C or suffer the jerking vmad.gif You had a Fiesta right, teach us how to avoid the jerking. My Vento DSG colleague advised me to let car roll then only press pedal to prevent transmission jerk, but I didn't get a chance to test yet...
Also, tail the car in front with 2-3 second rule, the regen coasting is usually enough to avoid minor braking at 20-40 km/h speeds.
Approaching smart tag, find a distance to safely start braking to almost max out the Charge bar, before the brakes bite.

I swear I bought this car to save fuel and enjoy; not stress over how to drive until like this... Wrong choice it seems... unsure.gif

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post Aug 30 2017, 10:00 PM

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Hybrid,
So I was driving into residential area in fully EV mode. Parked the car. Then felt the bonnet. It was SAME AS OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURE.

I thought engine needs to be hot for the oil to flow around to lubricate the parts ? If driving on EV and engine at outside air temperature (bonnet), if suddenly race the engine, potential premature damage ???

Edit: 20170831, It's warm all right. Bonnet is good.

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post Aug 30 2017, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Aug 30 2017, 10:12 PM)
U got try opening the bonnet and touching the engine itself? Lol
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Next time I try that... spray abit water first before touch...

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post Aug 30 2017, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 30 2017, 10:38 PM)
IIRC, EV mode only up to certain kmh and range. I doubt you can travel much often in pure EV b4 engine kicks in. As long u keep the car in regular service and change oils as recommended, I dont think you should worry much about the engine.
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Sound advice.
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post Aug 31 2017, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 31 2017, 12:32 PM)
I recalled some of the test drive review said the engine only kicks in after certain speed. If what u said true, then the engine still running constantly and not really EV mode at low speed. hmm.gif

Ioniq, i think its very value for its price lah. Worthy C-segment Civic FC fighter with oodles of safety gadgets and true hybrid system (which FC still dont have). I was considering this as well, but while the spirit is willing the pocket is crying.
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It's full hybrid, but engine WILL kick in > 90km/h (probably cause 172V battery+motor combo can't go higher).
There are also other conditions that will force engine mode.
Shameless plug here.
Last graph is wrong, there's only 2 speeds for EV.
1. <15km/h @ <30A (2 bars blue Power bar, 3rd bar = engine turns on)
2. >15km/h @ (<45A if 3 bar battery OR <55A if 4 bar battery) (2 bars blue Power bar also, but can step pedal slightly harder, 3rd bar = engine wake up)
You can also feel the very very minor gearshift when switching between 15km/h. (cause EV no engine vibration)

[Edit: Added 'power' bar for reference]

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post Sep 4 2017, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(Ch3n_low @ Sep 4 2017, 12:16 AM)
Check out my Honda City Hybrid Acceleration 0-100 video
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Aiyooo, do it with 5 bar battery doh.gif
Battery assist cannot fully pump juice to motor if low on power. It will protect itself.
Think of it like water tank.
When full, you open tap fully = water gush out high pressure.
When going to empty, you open tap fully = water pressure not as strong as full tank.

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post Sep 4 2017, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(PirateKing @ Sep 4 2017, 01:18 PM)
Hi guys. I went back to home town and my friend use my car while im at home town. Today when I start i notice batt icon sign on meter with beeping sound as screenshot below. What happen actually? Can i still drive? Is it due to low on fuel? Sorry abit noob.

http://imgur.com/a/NwjSN
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It literally says Key Battery Low... It even has smartphone battery icon so people won't get confused.
Please dig out manual to see how to change batteries on your keyfob.
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post Sep 6 2017, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 6 2017, 12:16 AM)
I thought the battery recharges via brake energy regeneration? Did there mention charging via engine too?
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Yes, engine will force start and charge if it falls below 3 bars. ~25% according to here
This is so that it can provide power to the inverter AC compressor and other engine stuff.

During driving it will also charge if you are coasting and are at certain throttle positions.
Throttle on 0-5% and on EV mode. It will Regen while coasting to imitate engine braking. But if you maintain at ~5%, the car will GLIDE. There's no engine braking feeling at ~5%. It literally GLIDES. It's a super awesome experience gliding around corners without losing speed in silence.
Throttle <30%, if you force engine on (tap throttle input +20%) then maintain throttle between ~15-30%, car will coast/maintain speed while charging battery.
Throttle ~50~xx%, not sure on upper range, don't usually maintain at this position but indicator sometimes show charging eventhough got enough battery / 3-4 bars.

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post Sep 6 2017, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(Ch3n_low @ Sep 5 2017, 10:49 PM)
Any hybrid driver here? Do your car sounds very loud when on low speed and on engine? And how's the the transmission from engine to battery and from battery to engine, is transmission smooth or there is some jerking
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It sounds loud because maybe you forgotten how an engine sounds like after driving EV ? biggrin.gif
Open your window abit to compare with other car outside. smile.gif
Our ears always adapt to surroundings.
If you play a tone at a fixed volume, then expose a person to loud music for a few minutes, then listen to the same tone at the same fixed volume, the tone will sound soft.
If the person is in a quiet environment for a long time, then suddenly play the tone at same fixed volume, the tone will sound loud.

I posted about the jerking thing here.

It's "normal".

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post Sep 17 2017, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(vez @ Sep 17 2017, 03:46 PM)
am considering normal city full spec or hybrid, hybrid no spare tire, and the puncture kit cost RM180, i have drive my current car for 7 years, and get tire puncture at least 5 times d, if every puncture need RM180  rclxub.gif
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On the other hand, every time you fill up gas on the hybrid, you save about 50~70% (RM30~40) in petrol if compared to the non-hybrid models.

If city area and not serious puncture, don't remove the debris, then use the air compressor to inflate the tyre to test whether can maintain tyre pressure or not (got meter on compressor),
if very slowly losing air then you still can go to nearest tyre shop to get it patched. You can save that RM180 and just rely on the air compressor this way.
Not all cases have to use the RM180 but you are still forced to go to tyre shop.
Well, if your emergency leave costs >RM180 then welp.

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