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post Jan 6 2017, 02:40 AM, updated 9y ago

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Hello.

As you can read from the topic, I'm currently seeking help on the matter of university choice for Software Engineering (SE). My apologies in advance for the very long thread. blush.gif I also apologise if this has been asked many times before and it gets boring.

I've finished my A-Level at UCSI and has gotten the result which is just about average. The subjects I took are Mathematics, Further Mathematics, Physics, and Chemistry. The ones with the best grades are Mathematics and Physics; and the worst being Chemistry. The result goes by BBCE.

I've wasted quite some time thinking about what course to study and which university to enroll in. I've finally narrowed down my course of choice to SE (previously was thinking about Mechanical Engineering the most but I had second thoughts). The problem now is the place of education.

The current top choices on my list now are Monash and Nottingham but feel free to suggest me otherwise by giving me your reasons. From what I can gather, private universities like KDU, APU, MMU, UNITEN, etc come up the most in discussions regarding IT-related courses like SE. I'm also currently seeking private universities in KL and Selangor states only.

The following is my thoughts and knowledge on some universities in the top of my list.
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Those are basically the universities that I favour the most. Others that are not so much are:
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That's basically it. Of course, there are some other universities but I have almost zero interest in them. Again, my apologies for such a long thread. For those of you who persevered until here, I really appreciate it. sweat.gif

The list is roughly sorted by personal preference. So I need help and guidance on this. icon_question.gif You may notice that I tend to avoid universities with government link. APU may be one but I can still accept that.

If I have any wrong views and comments on any listed university, do tell me. I'll gladly accept any advice regarding this in terms of SE or IT-related courses from students, alumni, even lecturers or anyone who has worked at these universities, or anyone with any experience regarding these universities whether it be yourself or your friends and relatives.

I really, really do appreciate any willing help. biggrin.gif

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I have some updates.

I'm starting to not favour APU more and more even though it was my top choice previously. It's good in IT-related but I'm seeing negative comments about it especially the lecturers and its teaching quality. So I'll be on my own (perhaps along with some friends) but I'm not really the type to rely on myself.

Still don't know much about Taylor's in IT-related as I don't really see Taylor's popping up in discussions related to IT courses, despite the guy saying that it's "quite popular in IT" when I went there the other day.

A few of my friends recommended me Nottingham. It's pretty expensive but still affordable by me as long as it's not on the level of Monash for the SE course. I'll also have to wait for the intake in September, but all of that would be no issue if it's really worth it. Plus, if I decide to reconsider SE, I can still go for Computer Science (CS) which is still almost the same but more theoretical, and Nottingham's CS is accredited by the British Computer Society (BCS).

So I'm still seeking advice on this. APU can be dropped from my consideration now, I guess. I just need more info on Taylor's enough for me to decide on that. Nottingham could me my top choice now but I still need more advice. The others may not be considered anymore but it still depends.

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post Jan 10 2017, 01:28 AM

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young_97 should be able to answer a few of your questions regarding Taylor's IT courses as he is also a student under SoCIT at Taylors. Fyi I am also a student at Taylors but different major haha
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QUOTE(Etolen @ Jan 10 2017, 01:28 AM)
young_97 should be able to answer a few of your questions regarding Taylor's IT courses as he is also a student under SoCIT at Taylors. Fyi I am also a student at Taylors but different major haha
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Okay, thanks for the tag. I appreciate it.

Well, what do you think about Taylor's? The environment, food, etc. I know you're not majoring in IT but maybe about your lecturers as well? So that I can at least have some insight on the lecturers in general.
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QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 01:57 AM)
Okay, thanks for the tag. I appreciate it.

Well, what do you think about Taylor's? The environment, food, etc. I know you're not majoring in IT but maybe about your lecturers as well? So that I can at least have some insight on the lecturers in general.
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Environment is better than Monash IMO (visited both campuses before enrolling). Food err kinda on the pricey side but I guess klang valley food pricing is around there? Lecturer's are pretty good for my course as most of them have working experience in the industry and not much complains heard from my coursemates too.
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QUOTE(Etolen @ Jan 10 2017, 01:28 AM)
young_97 should be able to answer a few of your questions regarding Taylor's IT courses as he is also a student under SoCIT at Taylors. Fyi I am also a student at Taylors but different major haha
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QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 01:57 AM)
Okay, thanks for the tag. I appreciate it.

Well, what do you think about Taylor's? The environment, food, etc. I know you're not majoring in IT but maybe about your lecturers as well? So that I can at least have some insight on the lecturers in general.
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Hi I currently in Diploma in IT.
What I can say that Taylor's IT is not very popular compare to others subject like business and law.

So far my lecturer are quite okay. One or two lecturer are not very good. Most of the lecturer have at least master.

For degree, taylors offer dual award, which means u will get cert from UWE and taylors. But University of West England does not ranked in QS ranking.
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QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 01:04 AM)
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I have some updates.

I'm starting to not favour APU more and more even though it was my top choice previously. It's good in IT-related but I'm seeing negative comments about it especially the lecturers and its teaching quality. So I'll be on my own (perhaps along with some friends) but I'm not really the type to rely on myself.

Still don't know much about Taylor's in IT-related as I don't really see Taylor's popping up in discussions related to IT courses, despite the guy saying that it's "quite popular in IT" when I went there the other day.

A few of my friends recommended me Nottingham. It's pretty expensive but still affordable by me as long as it's not on the level of Monash for the SE course. I'll also have to wait for the intake in September, but all of that would be no issue if it's really worth it. Plus, if I decide to reconsider SE, I can still go for Computer Science (CS) which is still almost the same but more theoretical, and Nottingham's CS is accredited by the British Computer Society (BCS).

So I'm still seeking advice on this. APU can be dropped from my consideration now, I guess. I just need more info on Taylor's enough for me to decide on that. Nottingham could me my top choice now but I still need more advice. The others may not be considered anymore but it still depends.
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UTM Skudai Software Engineering student here (public university). IMO without any proof or hard facts I would go for Nottingham. I haven't heard any negatives about it and if the British Computer Society accreditation is true, I wouldn't take it lightly.

Also, anecdotally, my experiences with MMU graduates is that they are pretty on-par with my university which means avoid that as well. The teaching methods and course contents in many Malaysian universities IMO is very dated and is a big issue.

Good luck in your future studies.

EDIT: Personally I would also avoid universities like Taylors, SEGI and the like because they come across as heavy on the marketing and PR department but lacking in producing competent graduates to me. But that's just me lah and I could be wrong.

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QUOTE(Etolen @ Jan 10 2017, 11:31 AM)
Environment is better than Monash IMO (visited both campuses before enrolling). Food err kinda on the pricey side but I guess klang valley food pricing is around there? Lecturer's are pretty good for my course as most of them have working experience in the industry and not much complains heard from my coursemates too.
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I see. I don't think I'm considering Monash anymore as it's like the most expensive one to offer SE in Malaysia, better environment or not. Expected food to be pricey. No choice then.

QUOTE(young_97 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:46 AM)
Hi I currently in Diploma in IT.
What I can say that Taylor's IT is not very popular compare to others subject like business and law.

So far my lecturer are quite okay. One or two lecturer are not very good. Most of the lecturer have at least master.

For degree, taylors offer dual award, which means u will get cert from UWE and taylors. But University of West England does not ranked in QS ranking.
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So Taylor's is not really on the IT side, despite what that fella said. Most of the lecturers are good then. This is very different from what I heard in APU, where "a few of the lecturers are good".

Yeah, Taylor's offers dual award degree with UWE. True, it's not in the higher tier in ranking. So will you be going for degree after finishing diploma? If so, will you remain in Taylor's for degree?

QUOTE(Dregith @ Jan 10 2017, 04:30 PM)
UTM Skudai Software Engineering student here (public university). IMO without any proof or hard facts I would go for Nottingham. I haven't heard any negatives about it and if the British Computer Society accreditation is true, I wouldn't take it lightly.

Also, anecdotally, my experiences with MMU graduates is that they are pretty on-par with my university which means avoid that as well. The teaching methods and course contents in many Malaysian universities IMO is very dated and is a big issue.

Good luck in your future studies.

EDIT: Personally I would also avoid universities like Taylors, SEGI and the like because they come across as heavy on the marketing and PR department but lacking in producing competent graduates to me. But that's just me lah and I could be wrong.
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Yes, that's exactly what I think about Nottingham. I also haven't heard any negative comments or reviews about it, in any of its course. The BCS accreditation is for CS only though, not SE. Both CS and SE should be very similar but I'm not sure if they're both on the same level in terms of quality. Well, I can go for CS if that's not the case and if it's really worth it. I would mostly stay on SE though.

Wait, so according to your personal accounts and experiences, UTM is dated in its teaching methods and course contents, and that applies to MMU as well? Weird. I heard good reviews for MMU for its IT courses and not really any bad reviews. Anyway, I don't think I'm considering MMU anymore as I'm pretty skeptical about government linked universities and public universities, with their education overall including their teaching quality and course modules. I mean, if I can afford better, why not right? So if your anecdotes prove true, I can further ignore MMU.

Hmm... That's what I heard for SEGi. I mean, SEGi isn't really the IT type anyway. But I don't know much about Taylor's. All I know is that Taylor's is pretty new as a university and it's just pretty top tier in pre-university studies like A-Level, and not much on undergraduate and postgraduate programmes. Your personal account could be true for Taylor's though and I'm not going to omit that possibility.

Do you know anything about APU? I just need a little push for me to drop my consideration for APU completely.


So overall and from what I can gather, Taylor's is decent for IT, even though IT is not its most popular programme. The environment is better than Monash in a way and most lecturers are good. However, it could be lacking in producing competent graduates.

Nottingham can very well be my top choice now but I'll still gladly accept any info and feedback from students or alumni. It'll be a tiny issue for me if I were to wait until September for their intake, but if it's really worth it, why not? The transport may be an issue as well as it's in Semenyih. I don't prefer KTM as much as LRT so I might be driving.

Anyway, thank you guys for all your advice and info. I'm really grateful for that.

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QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 05:41 PM)
Yes, that's exactly what I think about Nottingham. I also haven't heard any negative comments or reviews about it, in any of its course. The BCS accreditation is for CS only though, not SE. Both CS and SE should be very similar but I'm not sure if they're both on the same level in terms of quality. Well, I can go for CS if that's not the case and if it's really worth it. I would mostly stay on SE though.
If what my nearly four years worth of studying Software Engineering has taught me in UTM is true, then Software Engineering is not about algorithms and refined programming but rather the process of software development as a whole with a big amount of boring documentation. I'm not too sure how true is this though but it is definitely true that Computer Science and Software Engineering is different. Do understand what you are getting into before you waste time and possibly regret your decision.

QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 05:41 PM)
Wait, so according to your personal accounts and experiences, UTM is dated in its teaching methods and course contents, and that applies to MMU as well? Weird. I heard good reviews for MMU for its IT courses and not really any bad reviews. Anyway, I don't think I'm considering MMU anymore as I'm pretty skeptical about government linked universities and public universities, with their education overall including their teaching quality and course modules. I mean, if I can afford better, why not right? So if your anecdotes prove true, I can further ignore MMU.
MMU more or less lah, at least the graduates I've seen that come out of MMU Melaka. I don't have any raw statistics or what but having met MMU graduates and comparing my knowledge with theirs we are more or less only except that I paid maybe 1/10th in tuition fees. Which is why I also don't think you should underestimate public/government-linked university.

QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 05:41 PM)
Do you know anything about APU? I just need a little push for me to drop my consideration for APU completely.
So overall and from what I can gather, Taylor's is decent for IT, even though IT is not its most popular programme. The environment is better than Monash in a way and most lecturers are good. However, it could be lacking in producing competent graduates.
Don't know. But I'd be wary of people saying X Y Z is good in IT or whatever without any comparison to base it from or some sort of verifiable accreditation. At the end of the day, you can't know what you have is good if you don't have anything to compare it to.

QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 10 2017, 05:41 PM)
Nottingham can very well be my top choice now but I'll still gladly accept any info and feedback from students or alumni. It'll be a tiny issue for me if I were to wait until September for their intake, but if it's really worth it, why not? The transport may be an issue as well as it's in Semenyih. I don't prefer KTM as much as LRT so I might be driving.

Anyway, thank you guys for all your advice and info. I'm really grateful for that.
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At the end of the day if you're serious about Computer Science or IT nothing beats going to a Western country and studying there. I was fortunate enough to spend a semester in Finland and took some classes there related to Computer Science and coming back to my home university it was definitely night and day.

Amazing thing was at the time they had a policy of free education even for non-EU citizens (although this is changing soon).

If you want to ask me anything more specific feel free to PM me.
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post Jan 11 2017, 01:15 AM

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I'm a UTP student taking computer engineering course atm. Computer engineering is basically a combination of software and hardware. Though, the course focused more on software(which is mainly python, i heard) 80% of the lecturers here are full time professor Dr. And the education quality is undoubtedly good. One of the lecturers is a Stanford graduate for computer engineering which is known internationally for his research. He is in charge of the computer engineering department and has recently acquired several scholarship from Intel for several foundation students leading to comp eng.

The only bad side(depends on how you think) is the environment here is quiet and less hasty as compared to those in kl/selangor because the nearest town which is ipoh is about 35mins away from the uni, hence lesser access to entertainments such as cinemas and clubs.

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QUOTE(Dregith @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 PM)
If what my nearly four years worth of studying Software Engineering has taught me in UTM is true, then Software Engineering is not about algorithms and refined programming but rather the process of software development as a whole with a big amount of boring documentation. I'm not too sure how true is this though but it is definitely true that Computer Science and Software Engineering is different. Do understand what you are getting into before you waste time and possibly regret your decision.
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What I know about CS and SE is that CS is more on the theoretical side while SE is more on the practical side. CS is about the fundamental knowledge of computing and SE focuses on the design and implementation of the knowledge of software systems. Isn't that what you're studying in your course? In UTM, SE is considered as one of the specialisations of CS.

By comparing the modules of CS and SE for Nottingham, year 1 is exactly the same, year 2 SE has one additional module, and year 3 SE also has one additional module as well as a few differences in the optional modules. So I guess they start out the same and then branch out slowly. You can compare your modules with the ones from Nottingham to see if they're the same in any way.

QUOTE(Dregith @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 PM)
MMU more or less lah, at least the graduates I've seen that come out of MMU Melaka. I don't have any raw statistics or what but having met MMU graduates and comparing my knowledge with theirs we are more or less only except that I paid maybe 1/10th in tuition fees. Which is why I also don't think you should underestimate public/government-linked university.
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Hmm... I think the knowledge and understanding that we learn in a course for all universities should be similar more or less (perhaps some differences in the skills we learn), with the difference being the teaching quality, the sufficiency and quality of the utilities and facilities and whether they're up to date, the environment, etc. Well, I don't know much about MMU or UTM so I'm not gonna make a comment on that, only that I heard MMU is good for IT compared to some others with similar amount of fees and that's it.

QUOTE(Dregith @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 PM)
Don't know. But I'd be wary of people saying X Y Z is good in IT or whatever without any comparison to base it from or some sort of verifiable accreditation. At the end of the day, you can't know what you have is good if you don't have anything to compare it to.
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What I heard about APU is that it's pretty good in IT and the name pops up many times just like MMU when discussing IT courses. However, I heard that it was better in the past but then not as good recently. I've also seen negative comments and reviews about APU (more than what I heard for other universities) particularly on the lecturers and teaching quality. I was pretty convinced to go for APU previously with the recognition and stuff, but I guess it's just something brought over from the past but doesn't really meet the standard now.

As for Taylor's, not much is heard about IT other than the helpful fellow above who's studying diploma in IT in Taylor's and gave me some info. Basically, it's decent but how good or bad it can be is unknown.

QUOTE(Dregith @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 PM)
At the end of the day if you're serious about Computer Science or IT nothing beats going to a Western country and studying there. I was fortunate enough to spend a semester in Finland and took some classes there related to Computer Science and coming back to my home university it was definitely night and day.

Amazing thing was at the time they had a policy of free education even for non-EU citizens (although this is changing soon).
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That's what I've always heard from people going overseas to study, that it's something completely different and it's worth it for the experience. I'm still deciding on whether to go overseas. But if I do, I don't think I'm going to study there for the whole course. For Nottingham, I could take a semester or a year in my final year to go for their inter-campus exchange programme for their campus in UK. I assume that the living cost would be expensive though considering that it's UK. But I found out that the UK campus doesn't have SE, only CS.

QUOTE(Dregith @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 PM)
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Will do. Thank you very much for your advice. notworthy.gif


QUOTE(bbhing98 @ Jan 11 2017, 01:15 AM)
I'm a UTP student taking computer engineering course atm. Computer engineering is basically a combination of software and hardware. Though, the course focused more on software(which is mainly python,  i heard) 80% of the lecturers here are full time professor Dr. And the education quality is undoubtedly good. One of the lecturers is a Stanford graduate for computer engineering which is known internationally for his research. He is in charge of the computer engineering department and has recently acquired several scholarship from Intel for several foundation students leading to comp eng.

The only bad side(depends on how you think) is the environment here is quiet and less hasty as compared to those in kl/selangor because the nearest town which is ipoh is about 35mins away from the uni, hence lesser access to entertainments such as cinemas and clubs.
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I see. So CE is a little different from SE then, since SE doesn't really involve any hardware stuff. According to their website, CE involves some of electronic engineering and computer science. Yes, I've heard that UTP is a good option for IT as well but CE doesn't seem like the choice for me.

I didn't realise that UTP is in Perak. lol.gif I would need to live there but much preferably in KL and Selangor for now. Well, there being quiet and less hasty is not a bad thing. People living in the city can actually go there to have a quiet time. A 35-minute drive is still good. You can go there together with friends from time to time to have some good food or go to shopping malls or cinemas. It's still okay. Me, on the other hand, would have to drive to Nottingham for about 45 minutes to 1 hour if I choose not to take KTM.

Anyway, thanks for your info on CE and UTP. I really appreciate it. thumbup.gif
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Just for your info, computer engineering graduates are in high demand right now especially in Singapore where they have a plan to gradually reduce the over-the-counter services and accountants by implementing AI system to manage the online banking system as well as balancing accounts. Many accountants will lose their job in the future.
Today, most devices such as smart home system also requires integration of its hardware and software to increase the reliability and efficiency. That is why the public universities are starting to offer this course.(its a brand new course in UTP.)
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I see. I don't think I'm considering Monash anymore as it's like the most expensive one to offer SE in Malaysia, better environment or not. Expected food to be pricey. No choice then.
So Taylor's is not really on the IT side, despite what that fella said. Most of the lecturers are good then. This is very different from what I heard in APU, where "a few of the lecturers are good".

Yeah, Taylor's offers dual award degree with UWE. True, it's not in the higher tier in ranking. So will you be going for degree after finishing diploma? If so, will you remain in Taylor's for degree?
Yes, that's exactly what I think about Nottingham. I also haven't heard any negative comments or reviews about it, in any of its course. The BCS accreditation is for CS only though, not SE. Both CS and SE should be very similar but I'm not sure if they're both on the same level in terms of quality. Well, I can go for CS if that's not the case and if it's really worth it. I would mostly stay on SE though.


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I think I will continue degree in Taylor's. If possible I might transfer the degree final year to partner uni like RMIT. There's few lecturer I know are not very good. For example, one of the lecturer teaching English in SOCIT not good. Seniors and juniors are complaiming about that lecturer

What I heard from my Inti lecturer. APU/APIIT lecturer are not very good as most of the lecturer are industry based therefore not very good in teaching. APU have more foreigners student than local student .

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QUOTE(bbhing98 @ Jan 11 2017, 09:14 AM)
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Just for your info, computer engineering graduates are in high demand right now especially in Singapore where they have a plan to gradually reduce the over-the-counter services and accountants by implementing AI system to manage the online banking system as well as balancing accounts. Many accountants will lose their job in the future.
Today, most devices such as smart home system also requires integration of its hardware and software to increase the reliability and efficiency. That is why the public universities are starting to offer this course.(its a brand new course in UTP.)
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Yes, I've expected that many things will be replaced by AI in the future. However, I find that hardware isn't really my style, even if CE may be focussing on software according to what you said. I'm more suitable for CS or SE which deal with software systems and I can still contribute on AI.

QUOTE(young_97 @ Jan 11 2017, 01:04 PM)
I think I will continue degree in Taylor's. If possible I might transfer the degree final year to partner uni like RMIT. There's few lecturer I know are not very good. For example, one of the lecturer teaching English in SOCIT not good. Seniors and juniors are complaiming about that lecturer

What I heard from my Inti lecturer. APU/APIIT lecturer are not very good as most of the lecturer are industry based therefore not very good in teaching. APU have more foreigners student than local student .
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I see. I saw their website and Taylor's has a lot of partner universities from all over the world. RMIT looks like a good choice for IT. I've never heard of any negative view on outbound exchange programmes so go for it if you have the money for the living cost.

Well, from what I heard in some universities, if students keep complaining about a certain lecturer they will sack him/her. But it also depends since some universities defend their lecturers a lot.

As I thought, APU has issue with their lecturers. I've seen this kind of comments many times already. From another thread in this forum, some say the lecturers have heavy accent and some students are struggling to adapt to their accent. Foreign students is not much of an issue for me. The main problem is the lecturers. If they can't teach well or speak well for people to understand what they're saying, then it's gone for good, whether the university is classified as popular and very good or not.

I heard many good things about Nottingham so I might go for that. Taylor's can still be a choice for me if Nottingham isn't going to work. I can try Nottingham and if they don't accept me or that there're other issues then I can pick Taylor's, I guess.

Thanks for your further confirmation for APU. I can drop APU already. Taylor's can remain if it's just a couple of flaws.
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Yes, I've expected that many things will be replaced by AI in the future. However, I find that hardware isn't really my style, even if CE may be focussing on software according to what you said. I'm more suitable for CS or SE which deal with software systems and I can still contribute on AI.
I see. I saw their website and Taylor's has a lot of partner universities from all over the world. RMIT looks like a good choice for IT. I've never heard of any negative view on outbound exchange programmes so go for it if you have the money for the living cost.

Well, from what I heard in some universities, if students keep complaining about a certain lecturer they will sack him/her. But it also depends since some universities defend their lecturers a lot.

As I thought, APU has issue with their lecturers. I've seen this kind of comments many times already. From another thread in this forum, some say the lecturers have heavy accent and some students are struggling to adapt to their accent. Foreign students is not much of an issue for me. The main problem is the lecturers. If they can't teach well or speak well for people to understand what they're saying, then it's gone for good, whether the university is classified as popular and very good or not.

I heard many good things about Nottingham so I might go for that. Taylor's can still be a choice for me if Nottingham isn't going to work. I can try Nottingham and if they don't accept me or that there're other issues then I can pick Taylor's, I guess.

Thanks for your further confirmation for APU. I can drop APU already. Taylor's can remain if it's just a couple of flaws.
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I'm a student of APU Computer Science currently doing degree level 1 tho, last semester of level 1, i would only list down what i had experience so far.

Regard on the lecturer, it depend on who teaches you, some lecturer are good and some are bad. In saying that the good i'm saying is that the lecturer are willing to help you in and out throughout the module, whether it is related to the course itself or not, some doesn't even bother what you're doing as long as they finish the syllabus.

It still depend on you overall, if you're putting assumptions that this university is bad, then its bad, as you already have this mindset. I can only say it all depends on how you look toward it.

As i'm finishing my degree level 1 , hopefully i can get 3.0 above so i can proceed to UK for my level 2 and level 3. Will be leaving APU end of march if my grade allow. nod.gif

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QUOTE(ValityMental @ Jan 12 2017, 04:42 PM)
I'm a student of APU Computer Science currently doing degree level 1 tho, last semester of level 1, i would only list down what i had experience so far.

Regard on the lecturer, it depend on who teaches you, some lecturer are good and some are bad. In saying that the good i'm saying is that the lecturer are willing to help you in and out throughout the module, whether it is related to the course itself or not, some doesn't even bother what you're doing as long as they finish the syllabus.

It still depend on you overall, if you're putting assumptions that this university is bad, then its bad, as you already have this mindset. I can only say it all depends on how you look toward it.

As i'm finishing my degree level 1 , hopefully i can get 3.0 above so i can proceed to UK for my level 2 and level 3. Will be leaving APU end of march if my grade allow.  nod.gif
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My first assumptions were APU is very good in computing & IT. I had very high hopes for it. Heck, I even paid the RM 600 enrollment fees because I thought it would be the top choice for me, but I can let go of it if APU is not the way to go.

I have seen many reviews and comments mentioning issues on the lecturers for their teaching quality and stuff. Only a few are good lecturers who assist you like what you have said. What can you say about the ratio of good lecturers to bad lecturers roughly?

I don't make assumptions and it's definitely not the way to just "depend on how I look at it". I look at other people's unbiased reviews and comments. Unless someone can give me a reason enough to persuade me to retain my consideration, I don't think I'm picking APU.

Transferring to overseas is a good choice from what I heard. Never once a negative view.
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post Jan 13 2017, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 12 2017, 09:16 PM)
My first assumptions were APU is very good in computing & IT. I had very high hopes for it. Heck, I even paid the RM 600 enrollment fees because I thought it would be the top choice for me, but I can let go of it if APU is not the way to go.

I have seen many reviews and comments mentioning issues on the lecturers for their teaching quality and stuff. Only a few are good lecturers who assist you like what you have said. What can you say about the ratio of good lecturers to bad lecturers roughly?

I don't make assumptions and it's definitely not the way to just "depend on how I look at it". I look at other people's unbiased reviews and comments. Unless someone can give me a reason enough to persuade me to retain my consideration, I don't think I'm picking APU.

Transferring to overseas is a good choice from what I heard. Never once a negative view.
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To be honest, every universities have good and bad lecturers depends whether do they teach you or not, so far the lecturer i encounter throughout my past 1 & half year here the ratio were like 7/10 overall. They were good but i'm not sure about other lecturer tho.

You can go other university. No obligation, after all is your choice right? We can't interfere anything, we just giving opinions based on our experiences.

Yeah going oversea is good. The reason i go oversea is to experience the culture and see how the real world is, learning to be independent. innocent.gif
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post Jan 14 2017, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(ValityMental @ Jan 13 2017, 08:40 AM)
To be honest, every universities have good and bad lecturers depends whether do they teach you or not, so far the lecturer i encounter throughout my past 1 & half year here the ratio were like 7/10 overall. They were good but i'm not sure about other lecturer tho.

You can go other university. No obligation, after all is your choice right? We can't interfere anything, we just giving opinions based on our experiences.

Yeah going oversea is good. The reason i go oversea is to experience the culture and see how the real world is, learning to be independent.  innocent.gif
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I understand that and I guess it depends on which lecturers will be teaching you. So it's around 7/10 for good lecturers over all the lecturers? Still okay, I guess. But it would be very troublesome if I end up with most of the bad lecturers.

I heard some bad news regarding IT (or rather their SoCIT) in Taylor's. I might not pick Taylor's after all since they're not really on the IT side anyway.

Anyway, thanks for your info. biggrin.gif



In the end, APU came back to me magically. Now, it's just either APU or Nottingham. I'm pretty sick of this switching back and forth with the universities. From Nottingham to Monash, to MMU, to APU, to Taylor's, and then back to Nottingham and APU again. That's my process for these few months.

icon_question.gif I'm clinging more towards Nottingham though and I'm still accepting anyone's help in this. icon_question.gif

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post Jan 14 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(LightKeyDarkBlade @ Jan 14 2017, 12:49 AM)
I understand that and I guess it depends on which lecturers will be teaching you. So it's around 7/10 for good lecturers over all the lecturers? Still okay, I guess. But it would be very troublesome if I end up with most of the bad lecturers.

I heard some bad news regarding IT (or rather their SoCIT) in Taylor's. I might not pick Taylor's after all since they're not really on the IT side anyway.

Anyway, thanks for your info. biggrin.gif
In the end, APU came back to me magically. Now, it's just either APU or Nottingham. I'm pretty sick of this switching back and forth with the universities. From Nottingham to Monash, to MMU, to APU, to Taylor's, and then back to Nottingham and APU again. That's my process for these few months.

icon_question.gif I'm clinging more towards Nottingham though and I'm still accepting anyone's help in this. icon_question.gif
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I have friend who previously did foundation in IT at nottingham and end up not studying there for some reason, have to ask why tho, mind pm me your contact number? I'll ask him to contact you, give you an insight of the experience tho.


Btw which intake you planning to join?

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QUOTE(ValityMental @ Jan 14 2017, 10:34 AM)
I have friend who previously did foundation in IT at nottingham and end up not studying there for some reason, have to ask why tho, mind pm me your contact number? I'll ask him to contact you, give you an insight of the experience tho.
Btw which intake you planning to join?
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Hmm... interesting. Okay, sure. Can WhatsApp or whatever. Or maybe Facebook message also if he wants. If he doesn't feel comfortable to help, it's totally fine. Thank him for me in advance.

Well, as earliest as possible I guess. For APU, it would be 20 something in February. For Nottingham, it would be in September so it'll be quite a while.

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