there is also a graduate medical school in singapore... NUS-Duke GMS... a medical school based in singapore of NUS in collaboration with Duke university..offers medical degree MD for graduates... the fees are affordable..

i was thinking of taking this path but i calculated i would have spent 13 or so years in singapore if i were to register myself to SMC.. I find myself not ready for that ..

3 years = degree without honour
4 years = medical training in GMS
1 year = housemanship under supervisory doctor ( u must pass this before u can be fully registered to GMC .. i think da same goes to those from NUS undergraduate )
5 years = serving da government ...

but there are lots of opportunities for post-graduates training in sing..just like wgy589 mentioned..sing are trying their best to retain the doctors by offering them post graduate training.

there are pros and cons .. up to individual to decide..

At least in Singapore, the pay in gov hospital is much better. Also, post grad training in Singapore is much better than malaysia, with entry based on meritocracy instead of ethnicity.

For malaysian system, one can take up postgrad (local programme) after 4 years in service (2 years HO + 2 years MO). Of course, one can always opt for overseas postgrad training (US, UK, Aus, NZ) without adhering to such rules as well as the discriminatory policies.

The pay for a houseman plus allowances and oncall can reach more than RM5K according to my seniors. Hehe.

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Added on September 12, 2008, 9:05 pmRadiographers? Haha..funny. Me n my fren from Radiology posting were just discussing it just now. Unfortunately..in medicine. Where ever theres a doctor version of a field (as in radiology and radiography or opthalmology and optometry)...the allied health personnel is the technician... we do the clinical work, u take care of the technical stuff.

Coming back to what me and my fren was discussing about is that the radiographers always like to cari peluang to say "apa? medical student pun tak tahu ke?". They always like to have this inferior-superior complex with doctors cause they think we lookl down on them....We DON"T!! Theres a reason why there has to be a radiologist AND a radiographer. Some things u know we dont...somethings we know u dont. Our goverment yg kedekut ni takkan nak employ ppl for no reason. So to all allied health professionals who are reading this...stop thinking that doctors look down on u. They rely on u like crazy..

What do you guys think of clinical school?Was it harder than the theoretical part of medical school?

What would you recommend me read in order to prepare for them? I've finished off all my sciences (physiology, biochem, anatomy, neuro, pharm, path) but will only start my clinicals in september next year. so, i have a year to read up on things..

any tips, or things that you wished you had done before entering the hospital?

if you cannot understand everything in sec school, you have NO business being in med school....there is a selection failure somewhere......in fact you should EXCEL at school level before being considered for med school......

I thought only 4 flat student can enter local medicine??

But overseas...2.5 pointer also can enter..even spm fail also can once i heard    damn seems like money can buy anything..

It's only 1st year of pre-clinicals, it's probably basic sciences anyway... so to be honest you don't lose that much compared to if you stop at say 4th or 5th year.

Whether SAM is worthy or not depends on yourself, and the path you choose to go after that... There are various alternatives for private medical institutions available in M'sia so as long as you have the desire and motivation (and sadly, money) you'll be fine.

Adjustment disorder is quite common for first year medical students particularly if you're studying overseas, as a lot of us didn't really know what's in store for years to come. Some eventually learn to love it, some become indifferent, some totally loathe it and leave; I guess you'll have to make the choice for yourself. Either stick your head in the mud and crawl through it, or make the change quickly. A swift cut is better than continue to muck around.

Cheers.

i was wondering..is it worth it if i do quit and go back and restart??the money and the time..Before this, i never thought really properly before going to russia and pursue my studies..heck..i even quit SAM just to do this..but right now i'm having 2nd thoughts already..Is it good to go back??or just sulk it up and finish it here..I'm not sure whether i can make it here..neither back home..But i just cannot cope with the education system here..I'm well aware if i leave russia now i'll never go overseas anymore..i might be fine with tat..Can anybody giv me some ideas?? Rite now my mind's confused..heck my university is still accepting new batch of ppl even it's 2weeks after the intake..what should i do now!!i just want to find an answer whether do i have the passion to do this

Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean that there's no such allegations. 

In reality, you are the one getting worked up here. Screwing Russian grads, belittling local med schools, using foul language, ridiculed others when you are being challenge. I dun see any trait of an experience doctor from UM from you.

And who's being more emo right now? Using word like "f***" up and all that....

I dare say this: this thread is not peaceful because we have people like you. Most of the time we spent arguing with each other instead of exchanging useful information regarding exams and clinical knowledge. I dun see why you are so particular about where a doctor is from. As long as a doctor is capable, he/she will be a competent and safe doctor even if he/she is from the worst med school on earth.

Since you are an experience doctor, why not shed some light on some clinical skills or bedside knowledge which we need to focus on? All you have done is condemning here and there, without giving any useful advice. 

I rest my case 

sigh........yet another case of a 'forced' med student......living the life the parents wished they had......

i wish you all the best. just take my pointers cause i was in the position more or less like yours. the best is to think why you choose this pathway in the first place. if it wasnt your choice and desire in the first place , its high time you let the shit hit the fan and talk to your parents, and offer them your alternate solution, come back here and take monash MBBS, recognized in singapore and aussie apparently compared to imu's mbbs.

do u knoe any sg grads working in msia?

My friend told me is about 4000++ but not sure la.
Hello,hypermax! The quality of MMMC is ok or not?Is the MBBS of MMMC a twinning programme? If yes,the living expenses in India will very high or not(including accommodation and food)?Approximately is how much the fee monthly?Is that required to attend an interview for admission?Any financial aid available?Can I loan from PTPTN?

Erm... I didn't cross the bridge for my education, I headed north then down under
Oh yeah I did cross the bridge, but only for a 1 month-long elective hehe...

Anyway, every now and then a verbal melee breaks out between several members regarding the standard of M'sian medical students and the dire state of our healthcare system It's a known fact that our universities' student selection may not necessarily be the best, and there are far too many complaints about sub-standard care in public institutions.

Nevertheless, I must say our healthcare system and subsidies aren't exactly too bad, in fact it's pretty beneficial for people whose income isn't at stratospheric levels. I've a friend who severed his extensor pollicis tendon at work during the holidays and required surgical repair. He ended up staying one day in a public hospital post-surgery. The management of his wounds were pretty ok, and with the surgery expenses, medications, followup review, and a one day hospital stay all he needed to pay was a meagre RM30. If that ain't affordable I don't know what is. Having said that, my friend didn't understood much about his injuries - it could be due to poor doctor-patient communication, or possibly that my friend was just too busy looking at pretty nurses distressed by his floppy thumb.

My point is, despite all the crap publicity that our doctors and hospitals and other healthcare personnel is getting, it's still a relatively efficient system where the public gets the care they need at an affordable price. If anyone's too desperate, there's always private institutions provided you have enough cash in your pockets.

you could easily google or wiki the answer, but you choose to be spoonfed..........not a good sign.........

when they first invented the typewriter, they calculated the letters most used in the commonly used words, and place them in the middle, for ease of typing, and the less used letters further out.......

Sholes' original prototypes had a problem with the bars colliding with each other and jamming. So the story goes that he arranged the keys with the most common letters in hard to reach spots, to slow typists down and try to avoid this problem.

Don't know yet.Result not yet out.Any suggestion?Cheaper tuition fees and Better quality.

deferment is only allowed for medical/dental studies in NUS, and upon graduation, they have to serve as doctors/dentists in the army.

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Added on February 20, 2009, 7:29 pm

i'm not sure abt this, but those going overseas for tertiary education after Alevels in spore need to complete their NS 1st.

Yep it called 'bond' I think. My brother did the same thing when he go to Scotland. I think its around SG$80k or 10% of family annual salary or something like that.

Eh, is doctor really going to be surplus by 5 years? The thing is that I always view medicine as a stable job even until I can retire. Is it going to really affect us who interested in them now?

Actually it is from the official RSCI site NOT PMC. I intended to spend my 5 years in Ireland. But do anyone knew a result like me being accepted and am I qualify for 5 year programme?
Yeah, but believe me that not many people I know get from low result to a AAA result in STPM. Your best chance is to go to Matrik. Period. Never ever go to STPM. But remember to study until late night to achieve this. Nothing is impossible until you try but only if you try your very best.

oh.........okay........that's a new development.......

i am not familiar with irish med schools, but they are generally easier to enter (apparently a lot of americans also go ireland for medicine too)........

it would not be possible for uk though, as the application process for sept 09 intake is well underway, and you have missed the qualification exams.........

that would be recognised by smc.........

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Added on March 13, 2009, 8:44 pm
just for interest.........how bad was your spm, and how good was your credible pre-u?