if you are on-shore, you do.........you applied from taylors, so you did not need to.........

the term 'on shore' means physically present on oz soil..........

if you do your pre-u from outside oz continent, then you don't need to lah........and taylors msia, sunway, inti etc are 'off shore'...........

newcastle.........and a couple of lesser known/new ones.......

bond and jcu

monash msia mbbs is recognised by AMC already.........

if you are a citizen or pr of the partner country, you CANNOT twin to that country......

however, it is not stated that they will automatically reject you if you have applied directly to that uni before and turned down......

imu is NOT recognised in the us, neither is ukm or mu........no foreign degree out of the north american continent is recognised, all foreign doctors (including british/european) needs to pass the umsle to get registered and work...........

no where is it stated that for international students (ie not citizens or pr), you cannot twin to that country/pms if you have applied and was rejected before.......but you certainly cannot if you are a citizen/pr........even if you have NEVER applied nor was rejected before........just came from the imu open day.......

and internet access should be no problem once you are registered and assigned your user status within the imu complex......it's fully wifi covered.......

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Added on February 25, 2008, 12:49 amnot your apc, but your certificate of good standing......mmc will not issue you that until you have finished you compulsory service........

and if you think you can use your aimst or usm mbbs and go anywhere in the world, think again.......find out which countries recognise the degrees first.........very few........

and no foreign country will allow you to work, without some sort of work or residency visa .........you will be surprise how hard it is to get one of these........especially if you are a doctor.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 25 2008, 12:49 AM

1. be one of the top students in your school, at least top 10%......otherwise don't bother.....

2. get at least 12A1 in spm and apply for jpa scholarship (others only for malays).....

3. failing which, try ipta, through matrik (easier) or stpm

4. find a long lost father or grandfather who can give you between rm1mil (1st world uni) to rm400k (the rest).......

anyone with any results can apply......whether they short list you is a different matter.......from last year, if you get straight As they will short list for interview, but the majority given medicine scholarships had at least 11A1.......

if you are really financially strapped but determined to do medicine, your best option is do matrik or stpm and go ipta.....that is also a major 'scholarship' , you pay something like 10% of the real cost.....

post spm

pre u 1-2 yr
medicine 5-6 yr
graduate and start work/start post grad training
housemanship 1-2 yr
msian in msia compulsory service 3 yr
surgical training 6 years min after graduation. average 8-10 yrs.

getting more and more difficult nowadays.......

first your degree must be recognised by the registration authority there......or you will need to sit for another exam..........

then you need to find a training job, which in some places, is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get......

then you need a work permit from immigration.........

housemanship is still 1 year in many countries......

the postgraduate pathway varies from country to country.....i am referring to the msian system of masters programmes.........

to get a training post in oz and nz is almost impossible because it is a 'closed' system (ie you CANNOT sit for postgraduate exams unless you are in a recognised training position, no matter how clever you are).........eg, a recent vacancy in adelaide for orthopaedics attracted 40 applications........

us 'premed' is actually a basic 1st degree, which is 4 years. but they finish high school by 17, so graduate with a basic degree by 21, and graduate from med school by 25....

same in uk, finish a levels by 19, and graduate from med school by 24....

subsequent pathways is basically correct.......except basic residency (internal medicine=GP after vocational rotation in uk)is 4 years, unless you opt to subspecialise, where you do another 3 years........

you mean got live corpses? ......!!!!!

to start off, you could try to type properly in a forum like this so people can understand you......this is NOT sms okay......

often, it's attraction to the 'glamour' of being a doctor, ala er or house........read aerikh's post above, it is VERY true.......the same caveat applies to people with 'interest' but without the academic ability........

generally speaking, the training of doctors is closely tied to the provision of healthcare.......so obviously, the countries with the best healthcare standards are also the ones with the most stringent student selection process, and the most consistent in quality of graduates..........

so you have the rich of the world going to the USA for treatment for obvious reasons......in this region, the little red dot is an obvious destination when one with money falls sick........even some hospitals in thailand are attracting 'health tourism'........

have you noticed any rush by patients to go to indonesia for healthcare? lots of them in fact, ends up in penang, melaka, KL.........and of course the little red dot........

so go figure........

i did NOT say you are not qualified, you yourself have doubts about qualifying for jpa scholarship....

you did not post your results so i certainly cannot comment on you specifically.....why get so defensive?

the way msians go to all lengths to become doctors through many backdoor ways, i can tell you people with only 2A's at spm have become doctors...........unlike most well managed countries where they go to great lengths to assure only the best and brightest become doctors, msia through politicians are looking for as many ways to become doctors as possible, particularly through third countries, so any mediocre student with some money can become one........don't believe me?........go to any gov hospital, select a random group of junior doctors and ask them what they got for their spm......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 20 2008, 10:14 PM

the indian med schools have been doing that for years, you basically buy yourself a degree........but lately the indian cov has clamped down on this, and also restrict foreign students, so malaysians have been looking elsewhere for such backdoor entry, notably indonesia and russia.........while there are many good students there, their willingness to take in people with very poor academic results for money has tarnished their status.......there are few countries as messed up as msia, we recognise the MOST number of foreign medical schools in the world........the US/oz holds the record of the opposite.......they only recognise canadian/nz qualifications, anyone else will have to sit for umsle/amc......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 21 2008, 09:47 AM

you are not getting my points, i am talking globally, not in the specifics of exceptional cases you mentioned.......

spm is the last common exam for the vast majority of msian students, after which the pathway diverges into so many different directions, and it is different to compare.......so the last yardstick to benchmark a student's position amongst his peers is the spm result......of course NOBODY should be admitted into med school on the basis of spm, but on a bridging matriculation (not to be confused with matrik), which unfortunately is so varied....but baring the exceptions, the vast majority will get a result in their matriculation commensurate with their spm results........

that fact established, again looking globally at the training of the country's future doctors, it is to the best interest of the country and the people, that the best, brightest and most suitable be chosen.........and in the majority of well managed advanced countries, this is the case, they do go at great length to ensure the best amd most suitable student is selected........

except msia has NO system to do this, and with the abundance of backdoor pathways in many other countries, as well as compliance with the nep locally, this results in many students being admitted who are NOT the best available.........i was using the example of the spm results to highlight this fact.......that MANY STUDENTS WITH VERY POOR RESULTS ARE ADMITTED INTO MED SCHOOLS, usually in countries like india and indonesia and russia, and ipta as well........students with better results but no money/wrong colour are denied entry........

that is my point.......

of course, once you are in, by working hard, and being conscientious, you can still come out as a good doctor.....or you may not.........as a consumer who needs health care in future, i don't want to have to doubt the competency of my doctor in future......which i do now knowing the real situation on intake into med schools........

understand?

you father has been mislead........for gallbladder surgery, any private or government general hospital will be able to do the laparoscopic cholecystectomy required.....

you have to understand something about spore........their kiasu-ness extends to everything, including healthcare......they will always say they are better then msia.......even if it is not true...

but they have a point......all doctors accredited and registered there are good.......ie there is no backdoor for them......unlike msia, as i explained above.......there are a lot of msian doctors there, but mostly graduates from uk/oz/nus etc, where entry into med schools are properly controlled.....they have only recently recognised um and ukm, because the non-malay entry there is tougher than even nus, when there is a shortage of junior doctors there.........

it is well established that anyone who lies in the top 10% of his cohort should be able to study medicine and become a competent doctor........not a genius......that is not what we are talking about.........there are students from well below the top 10% getting into medicine, and they should NOT be there.........

even amongst the top 10%, most unis will choose the top 5% or even top 2%, there are no shortage of applicants from that group........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 22 2008, 08:35 PM

no i did NOT use spm as benckmark for capability.........it's for benchmarking eligibility to enter the course.........the gatekeeping at entry is more important and effective than at exit.......and gatekeeping at exit is NOT gonna happen, too many political vested interests.......