36 degrees is actually too steep. It will have excellent fire but will have lesser brilliance. So, it will probably look good in candle light situation, but probably not that good under normal lighting condition. However, the price is actually okay. Anyway need to look at the images, especially idealscope to determine light performance. Btw, can you check with him does his ring contain palladium? or nickel?

For the one you have chosen, faint flourescence may actually cost lesser, but for the price he giving you, I think is still all right.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 9 2017, 04:32 PM

It is VVS2. Not VS2. It did not lose out in Clarity.

Diamond 1 looks good. There may be some light leakage though. Don't prefer 36 degrees crown angle, becaue over-steep. Try to take a look under normal light if they have the physical stone.
Diamond 2 arrow shaft misaligned, refer to 6 o'clock position. Don't prefer 36 degrees crown angle, because over-steep. Try to take a look under normal light if they have the physical stone.
Diamond 3 looks good. There may be some light leakage though. 35.5 degrees crown angle is also quite steep already. Try to take a look under normal light if they have the physical stone.

Palladium does not cause allergy, while nickel may cause allergy (but not all people is allergic to it). 18k white gold is made out of 75% pure gold and 25% other materials. Palladium is one of the other materials.

I have updated my blog with some selection: http://myengagementringexperience.blogspot...1-feb-2017.html. Take a look at the diamond image, and take a look back at those provided by Tailored Jewel. Check the idealscope as well. What is the intensity of redness? Lastly, does Tailored Jewel able to provide H&A image?

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 11 2017, 02:00 AM

WhiteFlash may be cheaper if you can find someone that is able to do ring setting for you at a price around RM 750 - RM 1000, depends on which vendor you are referring to. Usually it is not that easy. So far I managed to find one shop called Memory Jewellery that said they are able to provide such service. You may check out further with them buy FB message them. Their ring setting does not contain palladium, but at this price point, the price is fair. They have a physical shop you can drop by to probably take a look at their ring quality and design.

If the ring setting is around RM 1500 - RM 2100, then WhiteFlash + ring setting overall maybe more expensive.

[Update 15/02/2017] Further calculations indicate that Tailored Jewel is still cheaper even if the ring setting is priced at RM 750. So I guess in terms of pricing, Tailored Jewel wins. I will compare the price in another post.

As far as Hearts & Arrows image is concerned, I believe Tailored Jewel is able to provide. Did you mention that they have IdealScope as well? But need to visit their shop? (correct me if I am wrong) If yes, by all means drop by their shop and have a look. Tailored Jewel price is actually not bad in my opinion. The way they handle business is highly professional, sincere, and honest. That's why you can see I recommend them now and then in my blog or in Lowyat.

Lastly, always remember budget + what your future wife prefer are always the 2 main criterias to consider. Stick with them and I am sure you will arrive at the perfect engagement ring for two of you.

Good luck and all the best!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 15 2017, 04:38 PM

did you buy the ring holder?

Any idea what specs you want to get?

OK. Let's compared. I choose this diamond: 0.468 ct D VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond.
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp
USD 1, 635

vs.

Pakej tiga
0.46 ct, F, Vvs2,
excellent for cut, Polish, symmetry
Fluorescence faint
Depth 62 Table 57 Crown 35.5 Pav 40.6
Hearts and arrows excellent
GIA 3215578414
HCA light return excellent, fire excellent, scintillation excellent, spread very good, score 1.4
Enchanted diamond cut score 97.2%
White gold 18k 4 or 6 prong setting
RM7940


Exchange rate I use 4.52 and add 6% GST. So it is RM 7833.61 for the loose diamond.

I add on standard ring setting from Memory Jewellery - RM 750 (Please check with them for latest price)

Final ring price with setting approximately RM 8583.61. I round up to RM 8,600.

Price difference: RM 660

I add on a custom setting from Memory Jewellery - RM 1,000 (Please check with them for latest price)

Final ring price with setting approximately RM 8833.61. I round up to RM 8,840.

Price difference: RM 900.

Based on this, WhiteFlash's colour is better by 2 grades but clarity loses by 1 grade. Do note that colour is always more important that clarity because it is more obvious to the naked eye. At VS1 clarity, WhiteFlash is 99.99% guaranteed eye-clean, and since this is an ACA, I will make it 100%. . Tailored Jewel's VVS2 is of course guaranteed eye-clean. Fluorescence faint is a slight disappointment though. Although it probably won't bring any negative impact on the appearance of the diamond, but usually diamond with fluorescence is slightly cheaper than a comparable diamond with no fluorescence. Now, if you request for the images such as ASET, Idealscope, and Hearts & Arrows image from Tailored Jewel and if they look decent enough, Tailored Jewel's package is probably a good buy. That's my conclusion so far.

That's what I last checked from them la. I believe they are made in Hong Kong also because the manufacturing plant is there based on details on their website. Btw, yours got palladium? And mind to share what is the total carat weight? Thanks.

How heavy in total in terms of gold weight?

Ya, 18k white gold is definitely 75% pure gold. As for the weight, you can probably ask him.

Hi Calvin,

I have excluded some slight charges on the shipment + insurance GST because that is quite minor. Usually the insurance will be 1% of the total diamond price, which is USD 16.35, which should be around RM 73.90. This insurance is paid by WhiteFlash, so you just need to pay its GST, which is around RM 4.34. You will also have to pay for the GST for the shipment cost, I can't remember how much, but the GST may cost around RM 20.00? That's why you don't see I include those misc charges for simplicity sake. The major part of the GST will fall on the diamond itself, which should cost you around RM 443.41.

I ordered Thu, 6/2/2016, I received Mon, 6/6/2016. The next shipment I experienced was shipped out on Tue, 6/7/2016 and received on Fri, 6/10/2016. That shipment was for the ring box that I requested but was not tagged along with the first parcel. Anyway, considering the distance, the shipment is pretty fast - within a week's time.

Fedex will help you clear custom and you will have to pay back to Fedex staff when they deliver. So yes, I paid them on the spot. Remember to prepare small change because they don't carry any change. Cash terms only.

There is any vendor called Brian Gavin Diamonds, a name which you will bump into quite often if you google to learn more about diamonds. They are selling super ideals as well.

To get a rough idea on how much a super ideal costs in Malaysia, just go visit HABIB and check out their Hearts on Fire series/Diamond & Platinum's Estrella series/SK's True Love series/Tomei, GoldHeart ,My Diamond's Le Lumiere series. And I believe not all of the diamonds in each respective series can be called a "super ideal" even the brand say so.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 16 2017, 12:23 PM

You can customize any of these by iDo Jewellery. Just google it.

No problem. But remember that buying a loose stone will take you more time because you need to go find a jeweller to craft your ring setting. I got a few on my list that I know that will do custom ring setting:
1. iDo Jewellery (Bukit Jalil)
2. Memory Jewellery (Pusat Perdagangan D6)
3. Jewellerist (Publika)
4. Suen (Bangsar, formally known as Carat Club)
5. Eumayco (Damansara Perdana)
6. Degem (any branch I guess)
7. Tomei (any branch I guess)
8. Poh Kong (any branch I guess)

Personally, I would prefer non-retail chain jewellers as the service is more personalized.

It is good to see a rise in non-mainstream jewellers in Malaysia they start to move things more towards online. But sadly speaking, as far as Malaysia is concerned, there is more catching up to play. If not mistaken, WhiteFlash started their online business back in 2006 and probably include all the images that time, if that is true, then our local jewellers are probably 10 years behind. I believe that local jewellers do not stock-up a lot of diamonds in their inventory due to capital. They will most likely check with their wholesale supplier and get back to you on your options. The good thing is, they can run this business online and save cost on renting and staffing, and therefore, they are able to provide diamonds at a cheaper price. My opinion is, some of the diamond prices are fair, but if you want all the images, then you probably have to wait for them to catch-up, which I believe one day, some of them may succeed.

If they do stock-up, then they should be able to provide the necessary images - it is really not that expensive to get a basic professional kit: https://ideal-scope.com/product/professiona...al-light-loupe/. Take a look at this explanation on how they capture the photos: http://www.whiteflash.com/whiteflash-diamond-imaging. Of course, I believe WhiteFlash uses more sophisticated equipment and not the basic professional kit, but you get the gist of it.

If you prefer offline purchase and want all those diamond performance explanation service in a brick-and-mortar store, go to Singapore's Jann Paul if you are around there.

SG VAT should be 7%?

7% of diamond price?

I know iDo Jewellery and Suen at Bangsar got. There is also another one called MC Square Studio at Tmn Tun that would probably cost around RM 2100 for your size. 1500 is abit hard to get, probably may start from 1600. Anyway, I will recommend iDo Jewellery first. Try to find out the size of your spouse first if can. If you do it in one shot, the workmanship will be better.

As for others, I am not sure. You may need to check. There is another one that jacky91 also introduced here. You may check it out also.

Personally, I would go for Memory Jewellery first and see what they offer. Reason being their price seem pretty decent. I don't think palladium is worth an additional RM 850 - RM 1250. The only reason I will get palladium is if my partner is allergic to nickel.

Hope this helps.

I like design 3 personally. Usually not much difference in design for any diamonds around 0.4 to 0.46. Advice is to make sure the diamond can sit on a base and does not rely solely on the prongs to grab it. It can make the diamond more secure. Design 3 seems to be doing the job well. Since you mentioned that your gf has tiny fingers, my imagination tells me that design 1 may work well on her too. Do you know her ring size yet btw?

lol. is the reason acceptable?

Since you know dy, then it will be easy for you d. Good luck!

jacky91 how your setting goes?