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post Dec 28 2016, 03:02 PM, updated 9y ago

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Hi Guys,

I wanted to share my experience and also ask for help. I own and drive a Mazda 6, 2011 model 2.5. The car currently is at 89k km. It finish its warranty sometime back. It was a nice car to begin with until some of the problems started. Firstly, the car vibrate and shake since 70k km, thinking that it was a idling rpm problem (and was told it is by the service centre) I got it service and tune by a mazda centre. The vibration improve but slowly it came back. I learned to live with the fact that a premium D segment Japanese car shake like my previous 15 years old wira...sigh.

Now this is what makes me boil, lately the passenger side dashboard started to melt...yes MELT...it become sticky, goeey and clay like.....in other words...it melted. I lodge a report and send the car to mazda centre in Oct. Now, they first said no problem will filed for warranty claim. After 1 month, they called and told me that they cannot claim for the dashboard due to 1. The car is out of warranty....2. service record of my car after 60k km was not with them....err mazda warranty is till 60k or 5 years...after that I am free to service outside right?

Even so, putting aside where I service the car; how is that relevant to the dashcover? changing engine oil will melt the dash cover? not changing the air filter will melt it? or did not flush the coolant will make the cover melt?

Now what should I do? what can I do?
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post Dec 28 2016, 03:10 PM

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For the record, my 15 years wira neither shake or vibrate.....its dashboard also did not MELT......

This is my first encounter with a MELTING dashboard.......maybe it can be sold as a special feature of the car?? blink.gif

Secondly, I am starting to worry, will the airbag mechanism still work properly? The dashboard is all gooey and sticky; will it affect the deployment of airbag? unsure.gif



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post Dec 28 2016, 03:19 PM

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Summer? Where are you from?

Unfortunately in Malaysia...it is summer whole year long.....maybe mazda should label their dashboard " for cool climate only, it might(surely will) melt if subjected to hot weather, buy at your own risk"

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post Dec 28 2016, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(pglaksa @ Dec 28 2016, 03:18 PM)
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Same problem here - melted dashboard. Worse during summer when the temperature hits 50C ! rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 28 2016, 03:22 PM)
I don't get it, my understanding is the car is already out of warranty? If it is still within warranty period you must service with them, else they will void your warranty.
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Long story short....the car reaches 60k that is when I stopped servicing with them. Then the dashboard start to MELT sometime after that.....

By the way....my question is will it makes a difference whether I service with them or not with them??? hmm.gif hmm.gif

All car service has no interaction with dashboard......... confused.gif at least for me I never "service" my dashboard.....
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post Dec 28 2016, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Dec 28 2016, 03:29 PM)
iinm if you stopped servicing with SC, automatically your warranty is gone. So you need to bear the cost la of whatever items broken.
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Thanks Adam....I suppose you are entitled to your opinion. Just to be on the same page, we are talking about dashboard, the passenger's side dashboard that melt under sun light .....

So every mazda buyer should expect the dashboard to MELT.....especially after the 3 years warranty period or your mazda is above 60k km.

I really don't see how service can make a difference, even if I service the car with them, it will still melt. I think it is a poor quality or bad design. That is why I compare with my previous car, a 15 years old wira. Its dashboard never melted.

Any bro out there has suggestion to solve this?
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post Dec 28 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Dec 28 2016, 03:42 PM)
some of our forumer get their dashboard change even warranty is over ..
if not mistaken .. toyota camry ..
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Thanks bro...you mean Toyota Camry also reported similar incidence? This is shocking to me.

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post Dec 28 2016, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(VCBlogger @ Dec 28 2016, 03:42 PM)
Thanks VC bro.


Apparently this is a global problem, where mazda replace it for customer in US. The story is reported by NBC and ABC. I believe there is a bro that said he did not heard of any similar incidence so this is a good read. The link actually open my eye how different customer can be treated just because we come from different country.
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post Dec 28 2016, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(say_xtr @ Dec 28 2016, 03:34 PM)
they just simply give reason not to change it for free. Lucky they didn't say you upgrade 17' rim to 18' so they cannot change the dash for free.

Do you tint your car? Even if not, the dash shouldn't melt. Just curious. My dad 20+ years volvo dash not melt but rattling to the max but car getting faster than before...
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Yes, I tinted my car. There is no need to avoid your question, but rather missing it. I even upgraded from the FOC tint to the highest grade of VKool and still has the receipt to prove it. But how is this relevant?? Tinted or not...it should not melt.

Also, I parked indoor (basement) during office and also at home. So very minimum exposure to the sun
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post Dec 28 2016, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(say_xtr @ Dec 28 2016, 04:22 PM)
of course if melt due to hot temperature surely related to your tinted. Some car yes did melt under the sun specially european car. even BMW E90 door handle melt due to our tropical weather.

Asked my friend who drive mazda 3 & 6 so far they didnt experience this
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Thanks for helping to check with your friend, and I guess they are lucky to not experience this. From my reading and the link provided, the melting dashboard affect certain model in certain year only, and mazda acknowledge that by doing a recall in US........

I guess I am stuck or rather stick to this dashboard issue....sigh....I certainly thought Mazda is a better brand....

A funny joke from a co-worker who suggested that maybe I can put a "WET PAINT - DO NOT TOUCH" sign on my dashboard...... ranting.gif

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post Dec 28 2016, 04:41 PM

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If it is a warranty issue than maybe I cannot claim, but the more I read the more I am convince this is a design/defect issue.

http://forum.mazda6club.com/models-trim/27...rd-melting.html
http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/consume...ing-dash-boards
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Drivers...-368240311.html


Mazda acknowledge the problem in its dashboard, even hiding it for few years before coming to a recall. Please read the link, the recall and replace for US almost 300k cars, without condition. IF it is a service/warranty issue, Mazda will know recall. Car maker usually recall when it is design defect or manufacturing defect (from my limited knowledge, please share with me if this is wrong info).

So Mazda must know something is not right about the dashboard.........
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post Dec 28 2016, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(roocarroll @ Dec 28 2016, 04:39 PM)
It's better to pay for a new dashboard before it causes any more problems.

The new one will be subject to the same problem so it's best to get a good tint and try to park inside.
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The new one will still have same issue? sigh...meaning even if I pay and change it, it will still melt?? What kind of a car is mazda selling?

My car is almost always parked indoor, during office hour and at home. Very rarely it is parked under the sun.

http://forum.mazda6club.com/models-trim/27...rd-melting.html
http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/consume...ing-dash-boards
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Drivers...-368240311.html

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post Dec 28 2016, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Dec 28 2016, 04:51 PM)
I feel for you.. but the state of our nations gov't's stance towards multinational companies more  than private individuals are evident.. l guess the only solution is to take this to a small claims court and hope that 'they' will see your side of the story..
I think Mazda Malaysia [bermaz?] has already washed their hands of this problem..
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To add insult to injury, I spoke to the service centre and was shock to learn that


1. A new dashboard is over RM 2k++

2. Service centre refuse to tell whether the new dashboard will MELT or not (whether the issue had been resolved with the new dashboard)

3. No warranty

4. No stock and subject to wait list.....(cannot even provide an estimation on MONTHS, and I jokingly ask whether it will be in 2017 and the response is...."Hmm.....should be shocking.gif "


I used to be a Mazda supporter........but I strongly feel this is going to be my last mazda if I ever manage to resolve this.



http://forum.mazda6club.com/models-trim/27...rd-melting.html
http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/consume...ing-dash-boards
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Drivers...-368240311.html

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post Dec 28 2016, 05:04 PM

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Another co-worker just heard the melted dashboard story and she is suggesting a new name for my mazda ...



BAT MOBILE....since it cannot go under the sun and must stay hidden from sun light bangwall.gif


Mazda....if any of you are listening, u can try sponsoring the next batman movie. Since Bat Mobile is only appearing at night so your dashboard wont MELT.........
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post Dec 29 2016, 12:18 PM

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lsm1991 - tq for the picture....


The bigger question is how did car maker like Mazda get away with this? Frankly, I own a 15 years wira with no such problem (hahahaha except the window mechanism).

Soft touch or hard touch....now that dash board is NO TOUCH!

For those of you considering Mazda.....do factor this into your purchase consideration.
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post Dec 29 2016, 12:32 PM

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For bro who think that this is a warranty period issue....maybe we can see it as a car manufacturer who know there is a problem with certain car part but still go ahead and sell it to us....then when it melt try to get out by saying it is over the warranty period or your car is not service properly?

Please go thru the link....mazda issue a black and white, documented, non conditional recall.....mazda even pay back to those customers who paid before the recall was issued.

I tend to see it as local dealer + Mazda is bullying Malaysia consumers. Anyway, thanks everyone for suggesting alternative to fix the dash. I feel STUPID if I am forced to go back to the service centre, pay 2k++ for a non-warranted dash....

Any other solutions?

http://forum.mazda6club.com/models-trim/27...rd-melting.html
http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/consume...ing-dash-boards
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Drivers...-368240311.html

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post Jan 3 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jan 2 2017, 09:11 AM)
Why strike Mazda off your list? New models may not have the same problem as old models. Manufacturers do learn from their mistakes.
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Ginny88,

NOT TRUE.....Mazda knew about this, but they did nothing for existing customer. Mazda might or might not learn from their mistake, BUT IT IS AT OUR (car owners) expense!

For someone who truly learn from their mistake, 1. offer apology to those affected by your mistake, then 2. take corrective action 3. avoid from repeating it in future.

So far, I am not sure I see this happening for Mazda.
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post Jan 3 2017, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Jan 2 2017, 07:21 PM)
I hope you are right. Mazda is the only Jap model I had any inclination towards.
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Skyjack,

The choice is yours, but I will think twice before buying mazda. I confirm with a relative about camry, he got his 9+ years old camry's dashboard changed by service centre, FOC. No question was asked beside for evidence of car ownership + 2 days of waiting.

Think twice, it is our hard earn money that car manufacturer going to use it to LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKE
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post Jan 4 2017, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Freemasonry @ Dec 31 2016, 07:01 AM)
The reason of melted dashboard, it happens to most of the car that also ship to euro due to the so called "green policies" whereby it makes most of the manufacturer to produce the interior with recycled plastic, even my porsche (2011) entire console and my previous fucked up ferrari (2008) steering had this problem.

In euro, it is estimated that 8-12% of the vehicle is made of plastic, and because of them constantly worshiping the mother earth green policies, they have no choice but to make a lot restriction, then this germans decided to use PET/PS/PUR plastic to make their car interior, of course it wont have much problem in their weather, but then when it started to ship into tropical country, the problem started.

Sometimes, all this so called green policies is just another excuses to cut cost, producing inferior quality. PET is definitely cheaper, and when japanese realised this, they follow the trend too.

Trust me, dont live in the myth of weather too hot, or perfume caused this, (tho it has the possibility to crack your dashboard) but a drop of perfume wont make your whole dashboard screwed up. it is the grade of the plastic, made of a recycle grade.

No fix for this, even after you changed your dashboard, expect the same shit to happen again if you always park outside.

I used to work closely with a giant automotive company, in their R&D, this dashboard melting things, are a well known shit in the industry, but i didn't know mazda has followed the trend. Especially a more luxury class that will export to the EU countries and have to apply the EU policies.
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Thanks for the info...I have one big doubt in my mind which is related to the passenger side airbag. The MELTED dashboard part include the airbag cover too (I see wording - AIRBAG written on top) so I am worry will this affect the airbag mechanism in anyway?

Will wrapping it also impact on the airbag?

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post Jan 23 2017, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jan 23 2017, 10:02 AM)
If you want to base your choice of car on manufacturers who are willing to fix out of warranty items on goodwill you may be basing on something which is illusory and non-repeatable. All manufacturers evaluate on a case by case basis for out of warranty defects. Just because Toyota has fixed an out of warranty melted dashboard before doesn't mean it will fix other out of warranty claims or even the same claim by another owner. Goodwill may depend on the prevailing circumstances of the day and your luck in meeting the right person to attend to your claim.
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Thank you, this is a good advice. I am not pending my decision on willingness of car manufacturer to fix out of warranty items on goodwill. In fact I am deciding on the fact that car manufacturer like Toyota, Honda and etc just change it...no goodwill or not but they accept it as part and parcel of their ethic in doing business.

I fully agree with you if it is out of goodwill things will change from case to case, but so far it seems the other jap manufacturer just change for owners that came forward with such defect...this makes me think long and hard. Also it does not seems that in the case of other jap manufacturer that cases depends on who is the person that attend to the case, knowing Toyota and etc, I believe there is a standard SOP that they follow, true to their kaizen nature.

However, your opinion is really good that it gave us another things to consider. In any "goodwill" situation we are at the mercy of the car manufacturer so the point is to make it a standard practice not mercy hand out.


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post Jan 23 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(xeda @ Jan 6 2017, 12:57 AM)
I'd just get the dashboard wrapped in new leather or something, probably would cost around 1k, saves the hassle of dealing with the SC - and saves your time too.

At the end of it, look at it from a practicality point of view, yes, ethically Mazda is wrong, but are you willing to spend so much time going back and forth, claiming your rights as a consumer and probably waiting for months, maybe a year to solve the issue, and not to mention the tremendous effort you need to put on your side in complaining, negotiating, visiting Mazda so many times?

I'd rather lose 1k~ish to wrap the dashboard and live peacefully after that. Yes, I'm not much of a consumer rights kind of guy, I'm more of a practicality kind of guy. I believe if you push them for a replacement, at the end of it they might give you a free replacement, but in the process you probably would have lost so many other things (time for example) that's much more valuable.
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Hi Xeda,

I agree with u, I am now whole heartedly gave up on Mazda and its service centre. I spoke to the SA and ask " is there anything else we can try so that we can claim? He tells me off " No, u cannot claim" and hang up on me. I am baffled and clueless as I just spend 2 days working with them on another issue and I was not rude but exploring option with him. BTW, the SA also refuse to answer my call after he hang up.

Anyway, I am ready to get it done outside but can someone advise will that be ok with the air bag? Secondly any shop to recommend?

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