QUOTE(darien99 @ Dec 25 2016, 07:42 PM)
currently using 3 units at home, plan to install another unit, will tripping the circuit breaker anot? anyone 
1HP aircon only 3A lo.. (700W or so)your house is 60 or 100A
5 1HP aircon also no problem lo.
izzit safe to add additional unit aircond at home Chat
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Dec 26 2016, 01:14 PM) careful on that. if TS using 40A breaker size i can confirm GG will trip anytime. oh come on, i was running 2KW server (4 GPU each server 950W power draw x 2) thro a 13A extension cord for 2 months 24/7. also use power meter to check.60A should be no problem. dont simply scare monger la. use science to count how many Amp per 1HP aircon.. 40amps is alot for 240V, thats nearly 10KW of power. as long as each 1HP aircon is on one electrical branch it should be ok. only downside to my extensive server usage was my TNB was over 1.5k per month that two months.. |
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QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 26 2016, 09:27 PM) ok.. thats why electical and electronics ppl are 2 different breed.3 phase supply properly balanced across each phase means no current flows through the Neutral.. The neutral only returns the unbalance current across the phases.. 11KV transmission lines is only 3 wires.. It is distributed in Delta with all phase current balanced.. Only when step down by transformer from Delta 11kV/433V Star is where the neutral is introduced where the Neutral is earthed.. From Transformer it goes to a Feeder pillar where there will be an Earth fault protection device before it gets distributed to residential properties where is must also be earthed at the DB.. This is known as a T-T (Terra-Terra) system.. The usual tail into a residential landed property is only 2x25mm(60A) or 2x16mm2(40A) Aluminium cable which only provides you the fuse rated max demand load which is a slow blow high rupture capacity fuse.. This maximum demand can easily be exceeded by the high inrush starting current of inductive motors (your aircon motor).. 3 Phase is the name of an electrical supply.. It can be 3 wire (2 phase lines plus Neutral) or 4 wire (3 Phase lines Plus Neutral) supply.. Single Phase is the name of a electricity supply of a 2 wire (one phase plus Neutral) supply.. If in doubt please get a competent electrical contractor to verify the existing maximum demand to check that your wiring can handle the electrical load.. You can easily overload (think electrical fire) your existing wiring if you change your protection fuse to a higher rating without knowing your maximum demand.. What I am saying is basic electrical common knowledge to all electricians.. If you don't understand what I'm saying please talk to an electrical person who knows something about maximum demand and how to use a clamp on ammeter.. Electricity is not your friend .. It is a known killer held in a copper prison just waiting to kill you.. this is not 80s era aircon le. nowadays all soft start and what not. |
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 26 2016, 01:26 PM) This! er, you dont run 4 aircons on one branch of the mcb le.. that might be a cause of wire overloading.It is the cables that will burn and create fire hazards. Yes, can support 4 x 2hp aircond but what else is in the house? It is cheaper to upgrade or get proper electrician to check on the wires and loading then burn the home down. |
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QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 26 2016, 10:14 PM) You understand .. but no one knows if he has an inverter unit or a conventional DOL start and that pictures shows a DB with 24 SP mcb's single phase.. true, inverter is safer, on this issue.I have never seen a single phase DB with so many mcb's.. Add to the fact they're all non branded components easily means if that RCD is defective any surge inrush current from a DOL motor will fuse any of those mcbs short circuit and start an electrical fire.. And it's not all soft start.. There's definitely more conventional DOL AC motors out there than inverters.. but also for basic units that is not 20years old, the compressor motor drive circuits also got ICs, current limiters and various diodes le. and! when you turn on the aircon, the compressor dont kick in immediately.. its usually 5-10 seconds later than the blower unit starts to run.. and for that 0.1 second during motor start you dont draw 10amps and blow everything on your drive circuit PCB! |
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Dec 26 2016, 10:22 PM) er...those soft start u mention does it applies to newer non-inverter AC? sure, refer to my answer above.. compressor kick in later.but then....AC is a very long lasting thing. my house still got NATIONAL name tag AC anyway if you have 4-5 units of NATIONAL aircon, perhaps you wanna upgrade them to more efficient and higher EER or BTU rating.. 1HP aircon now 800-900 can get liao..got brand ones. |
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Dec 26 2016, 10:27 PM) I've been using 4 inverter ac (1x2hp & 3 x 1hp) for the past 4 years. No issue except have to pay a lot to TNB fuyoh use FLIR for hotspots summore.. No sign of wiring overheating or what so ever. |
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QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 26 2016, 10:32 PM) We're not talking about a single unit compressor.. The issue is maximum demand.. use original european brand MCB!. all the concerns you mention are valid ...and using original branded components should perform at rated spec over time. The maximum current load as in he already running 3 of his existing aircons couple that to the existing running load (refrigerator, lights, sockets, etc) and now his compressor kicks in.. This transient inrush will cause arching to the mcb's contact points.. It doesn't have to happen immediately when the contacts are still new or the spring tension is still good.. This will continue until a weak link in that electrical system fails.. You are an intelligent person.. What would your advice be to this situation? |
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Dec 26 2016, 10:31 PM) Borrow from my brother. His company have some project with TNB that uses FLIR. yes i got exactly this lelong unit.. So far, everything normal. No sign of wiring overheating even though 4 ac are on simultaneously. And I use this to check each AC current / load. All good I'm not worried about lighting load as 100% LED light use throughout my house. Too little load. am surprised 1HP aircon doesnt draw much energy if you set temp at 26-27C compared to 20-22C range! |
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Dec 26 2016, 10:41 PM) just giving a bigger contrast in power consumption between the 2 settings. but as mention above 24-25c is ok, compressor dont kick in so often too which might draw more current and bigger tnb bill. |
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