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westlife
post Apr 25 2017, 09:20 AM

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Very irritating. A lot of channels now become letterbox for those older years of dramas.

Such as xinghe and tvb classic.
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post Apr 25 2017, 07:58 PM

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post Apr 25 2017, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Low Li Hao @ Apr 25 2017, 09:28 PM)
I love TVB!!
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but i dislike the fact that tvb classic and xinghe now has so many shows broadcast in letterbox. irritating. mad.gif
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post Apr 25 2017, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Apr 25 2017, 09:56 PM)
It's astro fault for not switching it to proper 16:9, like some channels in (SD) 16:9. yawn.gif
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in the past it is used to be ok one. the same drama broadcasted few years in full screen, while now broadcasted in letterbox.

i could only explain this that they do it for those 4k tv? because if show on full screen will be stretched so there will be too much distortion?
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post Apr 26 2017, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 26 2017, 12:44 AM)
No... Nothing gonna do with 4K TV. No need to think until that far.
It's all about aspect ratio and video quality. Initially the channel is in SD 4:3 but now the channel provider provides the channel in HD 16:9. But Astro still offer the same channels in 4:3 without stretching/remove letterbox, so letterbox will appear at all times in order for 16:9 content to display correctly on 4:3 TV. But it won't look good for 16:9 TVs as viewers will see stretched image+letterbox.

Things become worse when the channel is airing a 4:3 programme in 16:9 HD channel. Pillarbox will be added from channel provider + unnecessary letterbox added from Astro = windowboxed (black bars on top, bottom, left and right sides).

Astro has this hidden agenda to display letterbox for 16:9 content on 4:3 channel is for the sake of marketing of HD service. If Astro transmit the channel in native 16:9 aspect ratio, majority of the customers won't be able to see the difference between SD and HD, making HD service (RM26.50/month) no longer a good selling point, and no longer something that is easier to persuade customers to subscribe to.

You can try compare it yourself with Astro Arena channel. Astro Arena is one of the native 16:9 SD channels on Astro. Make sure you're watching from HDMI. Ask yourself, how BIG is the difference you see between CH802 (SD) and ch802 (HD)? Now you know why Astro is reluctant to display all of its SD channels in natove 16:9? Astro only handpicked several SD channels to be in native 16:9 (NHK World, Bloomberg, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Astro Arena, Eurosport, FYI) and nobody knows what's the reason behind it.

When it shows letterbox, you will see the difference and having the tendency to subscribe to HD service because of its pictures quality differences. And eventually, Astro earn money.
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But for those channels like xinghe and tvb classic there is no HD version. So it does not help rite?.

Actually my main interest is to watch these two channels as they always broadcast those old tvb drama that are of my favorites.

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post Apr 26 2017, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 26 2017, 01:26 AM)
On Astro, only in SD. But God knows why they still insist to transmit the channels in 4:3.

I was told by Astro via email that the reason why not all SD channels being transmitted in 16:9 is due to customers who still using a selected models of legacy Astro STB will not be able to watch the channel if it is in 16:9 where only the audio will be played but with black screen. However I'm not convinced by this, as they can still choose to transmit the channels in 4:3 but without any letterboxes that is currently added by them.

Surely there's a hidden reason for Astro to do this deliberately, and for sure they do not want the public to know.
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Exactly, all the while it is ok one. Only recently it turns into letterbox. And it is not all drama will be like that. But instead only those older years drama that are on SD and not yet HD one will have letterbox. This is the reason why I suspect it could be due to the new 4k tvs that ppl may use nowadays so they did the change like this.
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post Apr 26 2017, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 26 2017, 08:44 AM)
You mean pillarbox (black bars at left and right sides)?
If you encounter this, you got to manually change viewing mode by pressing the change aspect ratio button on your remote control, choose LB Expand. The pillarbox added by channel provider (TVB) is meant for 4:3 SD programme to display in proper shape on 16:9 TV instead of stretching it to full screen.
This is all about aspect ratio, nothing gonna do with 4K TV.
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Not at the left or right. The Programmes are broadcasted in a letterbox in the exact center of the screen while the surrounding are all black. All the while it is not like this. In the past only Asian channels do this not xinghe or tvb classic now all same.

And it is only for older tvb drama.

Nothing to do with my settings at all. Different dramas under the same channels just simply appear differently.

This post has been edited by westlife: Apr 26 2017, 09:03 AM
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post Apr 26 2017, 09:25 AM

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actually astro their satellite broadcast is rather outdated. If compare the same hd content to watch on astro satellite vs the same content on IPTV like hypptv. Even SD one can tell the difference.

But to subscribe to astro IPTV must use maxis broadband which are on different package than the standard one. This is a bit turn off.

Plus the cons about the satellite tv.......
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post Apr 26 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 26 2017, 10:04 AM)
That is called windowboxed, where blacks bars are visible at all corners of the screen. Yes, it is a mistake from Astro side by adding letterbox (top and bottom) of it.

The only solution is change to LB Expand when you see this when watching Xinghe or TVB Classic, at least the picture won't look too small.
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problem is that it is not all drama appeared like that, only old drama, u can try to tune to asian channel, u will know what i mean. the asian channel is the first one to have this windowboxed thingy. after that recent few months tvb classic follows, then only xinghe follows.

the old drama will just appeared as a small box in the middle of the screen. resolution is very poor also and the biggest problem is that it is too small to see.

so i am not sure if it can be adjusted by using remote control to adjust it. I will try it but i doubt so that it can be solved though.

if it can be done also, i supposed the image will be distorted and quality of the image will be extremely bad.

This post has been edited by westlife: Apr 26 2017, 03:43 PM
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post Apr 30 2017, 08:03 AM

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These are what I mean.

You can see from the position of the TV channel logo which it is not box setting that causes it, but the source (astro) broadcast issues.

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post Apr 30 2017, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(Anime in HD @ Apr 28 2017, 11:29 PM)
Astro have more money. They can do anything they want. For HyppTV till today their not provide Dolby Digital 5.1/7.1 & PVR service due to lack of customer & slow UniFi rollout.. sad.gif

Need to think logic about this. Astro already more than 21 years for this business & HyppTV just 7 years and only use IPTV protocol. What i know is HyppTV can launch as many channel they want. Because it's unlimited from internet service. For Astro, they need to depend on existing & new satellite(if full) to launch more HD channel.

But we know that Measat 3b has more space to make Astro to launch 50+ more HD channel. But Astro is monopoly the market. And slowly or not to launch the channel because to earn more profits... doh.gif laugh.gif

And most Astro subscriber, especially old Malay like to watch Ria & Prima channel. Because if you change the channel to english. They will not layan. Because the story always about action & horror(standard english TV Series laugh.gif ). That why i Astro focus to make more in-house content. All TV series, such as new gen layan one like anime, comedy & Korean show can just easily be download from the internet. And they not layan tv everyday. Balik rumah terus main phone. Buka games & Youtube... laugh.gif

No wonder Astro agressively to push Astro GO to the new level. They have more money. The future will change. So, about time they can improve streaming quality and so on.. smile.gif
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PVR can solve the issues.

Even one is not at home, with it, they dun miss programme too.
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post Apr 30 2017, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 26 2017, 12:45 PM)
Well u get what u pay tongue.gif

If can wait okay..

If seriously needs to change, then no choice. Expensive also must buy..
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4k tv is not really ex nowadays. the price now is about the same for full hd tv few years back for the same size.

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post Apr 30 2017, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Apr 30 2017, 08:36 AM)
yerp , wait for middle this year , rumors say price will drop for the 2016 models
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Yup Sony malaysia they had announced new 4K tv yesterday. The 2016 model should be go on discount now and then soon.
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post Apr 30 2017, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 30 2017, 09:09 AM)
Yes. The channel provider (TVB) transmits in 16:9. Whenever they show old 4:3 programme, pillar box will be added by them.

Still, Astro will still transmit in 4:3 with letterbox because the feed is in 16:9.

In a nutshell, TVB transmit its feed in 16:9 + add pillarbox during old 4:3 programmes = pillarboxed in 16:9 frame + Astro transmit in 4:3 with letterbox = windowboxed.
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Yeah, that's why I feel terrible. The old drama resolution is already poor, now it becomes like this. Even worst. Super terrible to view.

That's why I feel the astro broadcast is really poor nowadays comparing to hypptv.

The same old programme if view from Astro (Satellite) vs HyppTv, the image quality has big difference.
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post Apr 30 2017, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Apr 30 2017, 01:30 PM)
yerp , cant wait for it
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Currently I am using the sony 50 inch full hd smart tv for two years plus. still working well.
no excuse to change.

One thing is that the 'free' 4k content is still quite limited. And full hd content is also quite acceptable given its quality.

But I can say that tv is really getting cheaper and cheaper. the later to buy the better spec of tv can get and again cheaper.
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post Apr 30 2017, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Apr 30 2017, 06:34 PM)
me still 40" full hd lcd tv  laugh.gif wait for mid this year to get better specs 2016 model at reasonable price , worth upgrade
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Ic 40inch indeed can upgrade...😜

Even 50inch now I find it is just minimally acceptable.
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post Apr 30 2017, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Apr 30 2017, 07:15 PM)
And very soon 60 inci will be the new minimal standard like 22 to 24 for computer LCD hahahaha laugh.gif
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60inch minimal size, maybe won't be so fast i guess. but 50inch as a starting should be possible. tongue.gif
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post May 12 2017, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ May 12 2017, 06:20 PM)
Someone asks Astro relating to this, and this is what Astro replied.
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They don't seems to acknowledge that they are reluctant to use 4:3 aspect ratio with letterbox on it. As if they put all the blame to the channel providers.
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Quite useless response they had given to the query. Only recently it becomes like this. Same drama before and after are also different.
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post Jul 18 2017, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jul 18 2017, 05:52 PM)
Currently using 1080p tv. If I upgrade to 4k tv, will it make a difference in watching astro? Iinm, astro only broadcast in 720p right?
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Forget it. The Astro quality is a lot lousier than hypptv unless u use the IPTV version of Astro. Satellite one really cannot make it.
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post Jul 18 2017, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(Anime in HD @ Jul 18 2017, 08:33 PM)
Wonder how good SD channels on Astro IPTV.
Astro use MPEG4 for SD channel in their IPTV service?.. hmm.gif
Maybe cannot make 4K content in OD platform. Since PVR box not support 2160p or 2160i resolution. If "only" astro provide 1080p content on OD.. doh.gif sad.gif
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TO me the hypptv hd contents looks absolutely nice even for those sd content.

Not sure how Astro fare in the IPTV though.

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