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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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Monstar
post Jul 17 2017, 10:19 AM

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The bubble burst 2 years ago after the revised lending guidelines. Products not driven by market demand has seen a fall in prices. Smarter developers have pivoted to the affordable sector which is more inline with market demand.

It is going to stay soft for a year or two and then the market will pick up again in terms of volume for the affordable sector.
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post Jul 17 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 11:59 AM)
problem is these affordable houses are so bad in design & cramp for high rise, built quality will be a big question, and let's not talk about resident density. you really need to see urself to believe.

for landed, it will be very far far away, sharing the whole taman with 2999 other houses.
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Welcome to the real world. Have you lived in a 700 Sqft hdb in Singapore? Or looked at the density in cities like Hong Kong? We are living like kings compared to them.

We are heading there. Is the price you pay for development. If you want 1 acre landed house with durian tree, you can find that for 100k in Kelantan. Building upwards is the only way forward, high density plus mass transport link is the prudent way of city planning.
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post Jul 17 2017, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 12:21 PM)
actually, wot i'm sayin is developers moving into affordable market but giving you craps, but many buyers are buying.

i mean there are alot more better options out there, sure they will not be brand new, you might not get 95% loan, but hey you get bigger place, better built, at lower or same cost.

i mean paying rm480k for a 700sqft 3 room unit, that has 50 levels? that is crazy. such buildings should just be boycott & leave the developer to rot. taking about the one in Bandar Tun Razak. it's 70% booked though.
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You said it. Market has demand for it. If there is demand is going to be sustainable.

QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 12:23 PM)
also forgot to say, bro, HDB in Singapore is much bigger than many pigeon hole condos here.

granted there are different grades of HDB in Singapore, but i've been to Malaysia flats, sure they ain't big, 2 rooms and living room just enough for a tv, 1 set of sofas, but hey at least it doesn't feel cramp.

but when you walk into new "affordable condos", man, even though they are bigger, it feels so cramp. new condos are designed narrow but long, so you feel the cramp compare to square design.
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You do not see much 300 Sqft units in Malaysia. Those are the real pigeon holes. Singapore basic HDBs are so small. And they have to fit 3 generations in it. No kampung for the older folks to retire to. Maybe Johor if they somehow get past the perception (rightly or wrongly) of being robbed.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 17 2017, 12:23 PM)
Historically, residential property price rise at about inflation rate in the long term.
Number of units is limited by plot ratio. Comparing with other cities, kv still have plenty of land available for development. The misconception is by greedy developer and agents to push for higher profit i.e psf and keeping within loan amount.
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Klang Valley has a lot of land but not in location close to economic centres naturally. Plot ratios and density could be changed. Is all part of city planning. As we get more populated, increasing density or plot ratio is a good way to manage the housing stock and tackle ever inflating land prices.

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post Jul 17 2017, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 17 2017, 01:04 PM)
Redevelopment e.g bbcc, KL Sentral, etc are always available. Hence, cities like New York, Tokyo, London, etc never run out of land for development even in prime location.
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Yup. We have gone to the stage of redeveloping and repurposing older lands and buildings now. We are approaching the developed cities now in terms of our real estate market. Redeveloping is usually a really expensive exercise. So to average down the cost, increase density/plot ratio.

Another problem with Malaysia is our land law and the prevalence of strata units. Only with 100% agreement by all owners that a building could be redeveloped. Exceptions such as acquisition by government applies.

 

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