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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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post Dec 12 2018, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 12 2018, 12:59 PM)
not really, PBT could said that bumi qouta not fulfilled, can only sell to bumi
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still under master title developer name?
or already under individual strata title owner name?
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post Dec 12 2018, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 12 2018, 01:23 PM)
wait, you guys misunderstood me. I am referring to Bumiputra buyers who bought non-bumi leasehold lot. This is not a matter of of Bumiputra-lot, not all Bumiputras buy Bumiputra-lot from developers.

When a Bumiputra buys a leasehold property, there is a high chance for the state to block the transfer of the lease to a non-Bumiputra down the line.
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Yes, this is a known issue. Leasehold property. Bumi buyer bought from non bumi via subsale. Still under master title. Will be converted into bumi lot by the developer. To fulfill bumi quota. This one is a norm case happening everywhere actually. All developers doing the same thing.

But is it happening to leasehold property that already got individual strata title? Bumi buyer bought from non bumi an obviously non bumi lot. The local authority self imposed bumi restricted later on to the initially non bumi unit? hmm.gif
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post Dec 12 2018, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Dec 12 2018, 01:31 PM)
Agreed, kena this last year bought non bumi leasehold apartment in 2011 but since I’m bumi when I sell to this Singh guy the whole approval process took almost a year (first time rejected then reappeal then get).

In summary if you bumi, better dun buy leasehold non bumi lot if your intention is to sell to non bumi down the road.
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Leasehold still under master title?
or leasehold already got individual strata title?
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post Dec 12 2018, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 12 2018, 01:35 PM)
In your example, the non-bumi original purchaser bought normal lot or "converted-from-Bumi-lot" (due or developer cannot sell the Bumi lot)?

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Guess it doesnt matter is normal non bumi lot or converted-from-bumi-lot (developer appeal to convert to open lot as bumi buyer got no interest).
Is the same. Both considered as open lot.

But the concern as stated by scorptim, is once changed hand fall into bumi owner, the property is automatically being imposed bumi restriction by the local authority. So bumi buyer buying leasehold property is not a smart move after all. Unless at bumi dominant area, then is not an issue as can easily sell to another bumi buyer.

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 12 2018, 01:35 PM)
I went to COVE by Gamuda, leasehold, and the bumi-lots are already set in stone. Unlike Sime Darby's Serenia that uses quota, which means the Bumilot-status is not attached to the property's title.
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This depending on developer. The bumi quota is based on %.
Some developer will lock down certain unit straight as bumi lot.
But some developer will open up units to everyone. and from there base on bumi take up rates, they compute whether still meet the quota or not.

For property still under master title, developer really got the main control over this.

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post Dec 13 2018, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Dec 12 2018, 04:08 PM)
Leasehold has many problems when transfer of ownership,( inheritance from my sister) took almost 3 years to transfer.. many red tape at government agency due to some land restriction ( I'm guessing similar to N9 restriction now)

paid a lot on Lawyer fees (almost 3x normal tranfer fee) for the tranfer due to complications of transfer.
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Yes, another problem for leasehold if the original owner didnt settle the strata title process. Developer already issued out for all units but that owner did nothing. When want to sell later on then only face the problem of double transfer. From developer to 1st owner name, then from there to your name. Process will take a long time.
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:34 AM

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Mah Sing doing another lelong record at M-City?

5 out of 6 lelong units in the market now is vacant unit condition. Nobody staying. Indirectly meaning cannot find tenant so nobody helping out the owner to pay the bank monthly loan repayment.
Only 1 unit is occupied most probably by tenant.

Here is the lelong list, all active lelong units in the market now:

1. 3-11-21, 678 sqft
2. 3-28-03, 533 sqft
3. 2-13A-02, 532 sqft
4. 3-27-16, 977 sqft
5. 1-15-21, 911 sqft
6. 2-29-18, 1018 sqft

Wow. Just wow. yawn.gif
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:09 AM)
looks like low cost apartment area?
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post Dec 13 2018, 04:28 PM

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No bidder. Yup below 300k as expected.
Is now 100++k below launching price.
S&P price for the unit is at 419k. Refer:

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AR3-11-06, Almera Residensi
Reserve price 🔥🔥RM283,500🔥🔥
969 sqft
Freehold
Auction: Jan 2019

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post Dec 14 2018, 11:35 AM

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Now is the time.

Another cheap 2 storey semi D cluster unit available in lelong.
Vacant unit. Brand new condition.
Developer units at 700++k. So do your own calculation see whether which is more worth it.

10, Jalan MR 2/6, Taman M-Residensi 2
New reserve price🔥🔥RM 505,300🔥🔥
Leasehold until 2115
Land area: 2080 sqft
Auction: 27-Dec-2018 (Thu)

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post Dec 14 2018, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 14 2018, 11:45 AM)
Sounds good. But any reason not to wait even further? This auction is which round?
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5th re-auction now.

1st auction 770k - no bidder
2nd auction 693k - no bidder
3rd auction 624k - no bidder
4th auction 562k - no bidder
5th auction 505k - current reserve price

physiological effect. best to grab at this price my advice. coz if drop another round might attract many bidders and price will end up higher that 505k. then you are not smart. refer this case: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=91219491

and compare with this case: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry91219372
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post Dec 15 2018, 01:45 AM

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No bidder.
Almost half price now compare to subsale transaction.

For bumi only.
Way below market price.
Transacted subsale on brickz recorded 600k++.

B-3A-12, Suriamas Apartment, Jalan PJS 10/11E
Reserve price 🔥🔥RM324,000🔥🔥
1249 sqft
Leasehold until 2101
Auction: 27-Dec-2018 (Thu)
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post Dec 15 2018, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(kb9 @ Dec 15 2018, 04:54 PM)
In Selangor once ownership change from bumi to non-bumi, u can assume that it will become bumi lot in future transaction.

Bumi or non bumi lot is not endorsed in title, local authority only refer to the current owner (they arent going to dig previous transaction)
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Noted. Good info.
People use to say leasehold or freehold no difference one especially high rise. But now this info make a big difference especially if a bumi malay buying at less malay popular area such as Balakong. For sure will be stuck, hard to sell back to another malay in future.
(above is just example, as Balakong is a freehold area)


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post Dec 15 2018, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Dec 15 2018, 05:18 PM)
Wait if bumi change to non bumi, the non bumi still have to sell back to bumi u mean
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Got typo in his statement. Corrected statement as below:
In Selangor once ownership change from non-bumi to bumi, u can assume that it will become bumi lot in future transaction.

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Dec 15 2018, 05:38 PM)
Wow. Wait this is even for lots not allocated as bumi lot?
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Yes, as confirm by another person here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=91206716
So I guess that is the case at least for Selangor leasehold property.
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post Dec 20 2018, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2018, 01:40 PM)
Hey that's the house I am staying in right now..

well not the exact unit, nor the same size.. but I am in Domain 5.

In fact I was asked by the owner to sell this property... How to sell?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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You serious boss.
Studio or got some bigger sizes unit over there at Domain 5?
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2018, 01:43 PM)
Serious. Studio.. 500+ sq ft la

Actually, the developer (EmKay? MK Land?) not so smart. If Im not mistaken, this unit im staying has 3 rooms! 3!. They use dry wall to separate them.

Marketed to students, but a lot of young execs stay here. Rental is super low.

edit: actually got bigger units here in the cornders.. i checked the plan kecemasan. but dont know how big it really is. couldnt be bothered, this is a horrible place to live in. I wouldn't recommend it to families. There are just 2 of us, so that is OK
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Yeah target student such as in Garden Plaza, The Place, and even the newly completed one by MCT (cannot remember the name) all using this plywood board / gymsy board to partition the studio unit into extra rooms. Crazy but students dont mind that.
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post Dec 20 2018, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2018, 01:58 PM)
Cyberjaya area taking a beating... how low can it go?
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Lelong market today you can buy in Cyberjaya (all below 4-5 years ago launch price):

Studio unit can get at below 200k.
Mutuara Ville 3 bedroom at 300k.
Mirage by the lake at 400k.
Cristal serin at 400k.
Verdi at 30% to 40% below launching price.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2018, 02:27 PM)
Well it depends. You would still need a house to live in right? However there are options that is to rent. Can you answer these questions before buying a house "for own use"?

1. Are you sure you would be staying there for decades to come?
2. Are there no properties for rent that are cheaper in rental than for you to pay for costs associated with purchasing the house? (installment, fire insurance, mortgage insruance, maintenance + sinking fund, etc.)

I am 32, and I am settling down in Dengkil, near Putrajaya. My wife loves working in Putrajaya, and Dengkil is the place where she could take 15 minutes to get to her office. If she lose her job, she can find other locations to work nearby or she doesn't need to work as I can support this small family of 2.

but young people hardly have a good grasp of where they would really want to settle down. Without really knowing, you are just gambling. Who knows you may actually need to move and rent out your property at a loss because you cannot afford not to subsidize your installment without rental income. The "right property" is something you need to discover - you may think you have found it, but circumstances may change and depending on how much you committed to the property, you may be stuck.

My landlord in Cyberjaya is now stuck. The loan outstanding is higher than the realistic selling price. When he bought this property there were only 2 of them, a studio. Unrealistic for them to remain here, so they had to rent it way below their installment + other fees.
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On a serious note, i 100% recommend you to grab a lelong unit at Savanna Executive Suites. Some say is at KL South. Some say Bangi. But actual address is at Dengkil.

Proper 3 bedroom size unit. Some unit with balcony. Some without. There is even a lelong unit with private terrace. Size of the private terrace is bigger than the internal unit size.

I believe price will reach bottom at 250k.
If hit 200k then property market really crash. Bubble burst as per this thread title.
Coz ppl saying the cost to build a unit there + land cost is definitely above 200k. And now lelong unit force to transact at below constructing the unit price. Doesnt make sense.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Dec 20 2018, 05:45 PM)
If lelong need to check how much the owner owe developer maintenance fees first...
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Majority bank cover that outstanding amount.
Is a newly completed property. Outstanding will not be much anyway.

QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2018, 05:53 PM)
Oh I know that place... gone through it a few times, even misled me into North-south which I didnt mean to take at the time. Quite good location I guess, right next to the north-south. Why has its value dropped so much? it isn't even cyberjaya...
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High rise in the middle of hutan.
Everytime going in or out from there will kena toll.

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QUOTE(Hean @ Dec 20 2018, 06:33 PM)
How to know wen gt lelong this prize?
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Check this thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692194/+1200

Will be updated over there.
I believe CNY time next year is the best time to grab a unit at below 250k there.

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