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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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post Jul 6 2017, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 6 2017, 11:31 PM)
Kv property price did dropped after 1997 AFC and remain stagnant for many years.

Only peasants and herd would fall into scam and kv property at present time.
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Drop from 100 to 90 during the very uncertainty time, it is nothing worse than being scammed by the "expert".
After the very slightly drop the price is all the BBB, do jew know what Ayam is so excited? Because it is very moment Ayam has been waiting for so long, Ayam wait for this moment so Ayam can use all Ayam money to buy all property. Ayam will buy at least two property very soon. They can wait for the next ten years and follow jew to continue praying for bubble to comeAttached Image

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post Jul 7 2017, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Battlefield1942 @ Jul 7 2017, 12:14 AM)
The good news is for those with plenty of cash but our new generation workforce can't afford all those old price unless Bank Negara extend their loan to 40 years! and keep the rate down to a minimum. Without all those future buyer.....do you think it will go on the increase if depending only on our local buyer? I think KV price will only be able to maintain or increase if BNM open it all up to outsider buyer with special PR visa or something to attract those rich mainland chinese to stay here and not bring back their investment to their home country.
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High property price is good so that peasant who cannot work hard can move to other place, only the lich elite 4% can live in the most expensive town, it drive the crime rate down also drive the poor to work hard so they can afford the to live a good life.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 7 2017, 01:13 AM)
Since you are so confident, you should buy more and sooner.
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Ayam has too much cash nothing to do now, so Ayam definitely no need to wait for another ten years for praying for it to come.
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post Jul 7 2017, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Battlefield1942 @ Jul 7 2017, 11:33 AM)
Yes, with plenty of cash in hand. I am sure you can move the market too. Just call up the developer and sampu bersih all the unsold bumi unit in johor. There is always one - or two that speak louder then action. Tin kosong maybe.  Developer sure give you good good discount for their cash flow problem.
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Ayam collect property like a hobby, Ayam have collect many now, Ayam will soon collect more property, money is not a problem, rate hike is no problem, Ayam have enough cash to buy them with cash. Many peasant also have the cash enough to buy property but they prefer their cash to be scammed by ssexpert, but Ayam is different Ayam prefer to be scammed by property, Ayam like it so much.
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post Jul 7 2017, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jul 7 2017, 08:53 AM)
R u ready for a rate hike. More selling pressing to flippers

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...or-a-rate-hike/
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Rate hike for peasant so they cannot afford to live a good life.
The lich elite 4% get special offer instead.
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post Jul 7 2017, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 7 2017, 03:15 PM)
Given over supply is increasing, interest rate on uptrend, likely credit squeeze, npl on residential is rising, property is more likely on down trend for next 2 years. even after price bottomed, expect price to remain stagnant or at best rise at inflation rate for the extended period. conditions for 2011 to 2013 cheap and easy credit is unlikely to occur in the foreseeable future. also the kangkong land will become aging nation by 2030, property price is likely on long term decline.

property is not the only investment opportunity available.
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The same problem also happen during 2008, many property oversupply, no easy credit, salary is low, Ayam still could tell how much money Ayam have in the pocket during 2008, the same everyone is so poor can't buy property some even sell their property to move into small house, they are all insecured pipu, and they are very regret to belip in all the sexpert to follow them.
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post Jul 9 2017, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 7 2017, 11:55 PM)
if gomen couldn't rouse the bull before g.e, will less likely so after g.e.

until over supply is fully consumed, with interest rate on up trend, uuu is unlikely in the foreseeable future. so called good location is very limited, most purchases are in sub-prime area e.g. cbj. If vendor could off load with a 5% discount, transaction volume should be maintaining and not dropping.

those experienced 100% increase was probably bought gozilla years ago and most new purchase was near the peak price, so 15% price drop could have devastating impact.
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The last time 1998 many peasant jump 14th floor obviously not elite 4%, and the property just barely drop less than 10%, jew can expect the impact of 15% drop, Ayam think jew can even loss jew job and worst is jew have no money left to stay online and post non sense in this forum.
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post Jul 10 2017, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 10 2017, 01:18 PM)
Bottom is when blood is knee deep on the street and is not there yet.
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Can't wait to see peasant and their blood and they are cheap
Elite 4% is very high keras cannot shed blood to peasant
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post Jul 10 2017, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Jul 10 2017, 03:37 PM)
Like I said before, aside from 2011 to 2014 property has had bull runs way before that even without us qe, it's just the rise in property prices was not as crazy as it was in 2011-2014.

The only difference right now is the over supply. But if you look at it, it's not like there's not enough people to consume the excess supply in kv, it's just that people can't afford or are not willing to pay at current price tags.

Look at pr1ma launches and how fast it gets taken up...even those 400k prima units which are in kv are taken up really fast. Now currently property in kv average is around 500k for a 1000+ sq feet 3r2b property (not landed), a 20% drop in price would bring a lot of property to pr1ma property prices. By then, people would start to buy the properties just like how people are Applying for pr1ma property. Needless to say by the time those properties drop to pr1ma prices, a lot of people who applied for prima but didnt qualify will just buy the other properties. Heck even those who already bought prima would regret by then.

You're looking at things too purely from a macro perspective, sometimes you need to look at it from a micro perspective as well.
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May be he is looking at nuclear fallout, meteor strike or even massacres, alien invasion to happen, which will definitely crash the property by 20% or more. No longer about economy sexpert views
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post Jul 10 2017, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jul 10 2017, 02:15 PM)
The news/media won't even report even if there is a bubble or crisis. Put it in mind that these news are usually manipulated by people who have $$ so that people won't fear if there is a crisis, and still continue to buy.

By looking with your own eyes, if you slowly survey there are many projects giving heaps of discounts AKA promotion and usually on par with market value or under value, to sell fast.

I am buying these whenever I find one. Don't care whether the news said bubble or not, because they won't say it at all. After all, price falls under market value is always better than those selling at future price.
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Ayam is expecting the current rise in tax/interest rate will only drive the lich elite 4% to put all their moneh into property as it is the best decision they can do to protect their moneh. Ayam do not care about what the sexpert say about the thing is very bad now, bikos they know nothing about it. No QE or no easy credit is not a big deal, pipu today is far more wealthier than the last decade by a whole new level.
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post Jul 10 2017, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jul 10 2017, 04:29 PM)
but pipu todeh is very blind to media.  yawn.gif
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Only peasant is blinded by the conspiracy Jewish
The elite 4% is behind all this
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post Jul 11 2017, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 11 2017, 05:55 PM)
Understand many of mss is from sime Darby property division. A indicator on how developer view the property market for next few years.

During economic recession, there will still be some people getting promotion and pay rise e.g gomen servants and glc. It is a matter of relativity.

With high household debt, the squeeze will come after bank interest rate has risen.
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During 2008 also mani mss vss sss rss whatever, mani pipu no moneh buy house, many housing project also delay, mani pipu jump 14th floor also, property price also kenot drop, dapig everyday racing bankruptcy protek mode until macam macam, Ayam also lazy to mention it. The same old shit just did repeat again, and there is still nothing gonna happen.
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post Jul 11 2017, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 11 2017, 07:44 PM)
Unlikely currently, there wasn't over supply, subprime or people over stretched in residential in 2008.
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Dapig also not make a lot of noise lately jew already know ahead of them, may be dapig think there is nothing gonna happen this time.
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post Jul 17 2017, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 01:02 AM)
no oversupply? do you go out & see?

nowadays so many new launchings, KL got so many people?

if you say many renting looking for buying, for sure the rented properties will become empty.

and when you drive further out to Shah Alam, Klang, Kajang, & Sungei Buloh, really got so many people?

the only price that will drop is subsales, because new launching the cost of building is much higher as Ringgit drops, material/fuel price goes up, developers will not dip their pricing because they can hold, unless you buy from those small developers than maybe they go bust.

but one thing for sure, new properties will never become cheaper, NEVER!
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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 01:10 AM)
i've written alot i forgot in which thread about the bubble won't burst so soon, earliest burst would be around 2020 onwards, because that is when Malaysia economy will start to go bust, many local business will close down, which means many employees will lose their jobs, which means lost of income, which means difficulty repaying monthly loan installments, which means, many will be forced to sell off their properties, which means more supply, which means a drop in property price, and those that can't sell it off will have their property lelong.

now comes the problem, this is a nationwide problem, because this is not 2007 where economy bust was due to international market, this time Malaysia economy bust is due to Malaysia itself. so everyone will have their wallet tighten up, so even when 2nd hand properties drop in price, you, most likely won't have the money or guts to commit in such a big commitment in such a tough moment. so you will not benefit out from this economy catastrophe.

the only people that will benefit are those super riches that has tons of cash flow, and those politicians & kronnies, and very few lucky ones whom still manage to stay on a floating company, and of course, rich foreigners. they will start to buy up the properties, and when the economy ever recover, they will end up richer than they ever were.

ever notice, after every economy crisis, the rich just gets richer, and disparity between rich & poor becomes even bigger? and this happens almost once every 10 years, so in another 20-30 years, it will be like in the Hollywood Movies, where the riches totally dominate the poor. something like Phillipines where elites stay in nice city while the rest of the 95% population stays in slump, no fresh water & dirty air.
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Ayam already prepare enough cash to buy very soon
Let those looser millenials everyday complaint non stop.
They know nothing about anything yet they think they are very smart, especially that Boeing777 guy very childish views about taxes and and rights non sense
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post Jul 17 2017, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(beetch @ Jul 17 2017, 08:49 AM)
Keep dreaming la bro. I have been through 97 and 07 and i still see people buying in throves. The property in merehsia will never go down in masses. The trend is if you dont have money to buy some other people will always will. The developer builds a unit at 500k he'll never go 400k selling price. A bankrup with property being tarik balik will be auctioned AT MARKET VALUE. Middle class who has no more holding power will sell at market value and if desperate 5-10% below market but it is very very rare. You only see it 1 in every 200 ads or so.

U can keep on dreaming man. So many years and still dont want to wake up. Dunno wanna laugh or not.
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Only lge can buy below market value
Peasant like us can only dream
Ayam buy so many property never once Ayam get so lucky deal to buy below value
Peasant like those no house can continue to rent for their life kekekek
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post Jul 17 2017, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 09:24 AM)
bro, did you even read properly?

i said the time Malaysia property crash would be economy dead.

do you want be to reiterate? 97 & 07 are mainly international market causing the crash, this time, it's Malaysia internal own problem, Malaysia going towards bankruptcy and with the opening of floodgates for China business to come in most local business are taking real heat, we have no way to compete due to the redtapes & high tax Malaysia government is implementing, by 2020, you will see at least 40% local business either shifted to other countries or close down, so you will see many working people losing their jobs, it'd be like US property crash except it's not due to irresponsible lending from banks or conjob by investment companies but Economic failure.

it's real, wake up before it's too late if you still think your industry is safe.

the next economy crash in Malaysia is different from previous decades.

thanks to you know who, which I will be voting next GE.
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Dapig semo memang tara otak
Every time spread lies
So this time gonna bankrupt again for non sense reason than last time. Ok.Jpg
By the time dapig already mention bankrupt for no. 75357426 times
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post Jul 17 2017, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 09:37 AM)
hi, i don't really follow the news.

my finding just based on what i see in real life. not on internet nor newspaper. you might be the kind of people that only goes to Sunway Pyramid, 1U or Midvalley so you might not understand, go to other areas, see how cham biz is.

majority small local biz in Malaysia will die off by 2020. you may say new form of biz will come up, sure, but won't be owned by foreigners majority coz locals lack the tech.
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These are all the lies dapig love to recycle every year, it is getting very bored, and all these lies always effective against millennials, they are all so very naive kekekek
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post Jul 17 2017, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 17 2017, 09:50 AM)
ok bro, i'm not sure if you are being truthful or just sarcastic but i'll just leave it here.
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In the eye of dapig
Local business never good since 1990 until today
Foreign business always good since 1990
Their lies never change why millennials always belip on them it is something Ayam can never brain may be they are too used to being spoon feed
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post Jul 17 2017, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 17 2017, 07:00 PM)
In UK, during the last economic recession, one could buy foreclosure property at 60% of peak value in 2008. Property price outside center London remain stagnant for a few years particularly after Brexit vote.

Property market in China is a different ball game. A large proportion of local government income is from property sectors. A fall of prooperty value will reduce local government income. Cpc will support the property market regardless unless it risk revolt from the people.
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Global property price is all the way BBB
No any country gonna go the other way around
Jew tara suka jew jangan BBB

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post Jul 27 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 21 2017, 04:50 PM)
Certainly, government data from the Malaysian Property Market Report 2016 paint a bleak out-look for the property market, with only 31% of the 52,000 new homes launched for sale last year being taken up. The residential property overhang — homes that have been completed and ready for occupation for more than nine months that remain unsold — stood at 90,491 units at end-2016, worth some RM8.5 billion.

PR1MA currently has 89 projects nationwide, comprising 89,449 units of homes with an estimated gross development value of over RM23 billion, in the works. To date, it has managed to sell 9,791 units worth RM2.36 billion, which suggests a sales performance of only 10% — very much lower than the 2016 national average.

In terms of value, the 2016 residential property overhang largely comprised units costing RM500,000 and more, but the number of units costing less than that remaining unsold have also been rising. PR1MA could potentially add a significant number to the overhang inventory, considering the number of homes it would complete within the next three years, and its sales performance to date. Should such a scenario materialise, the current problem of not having enough affordable housing could suddenly transform into that of having too much of it, with the government saddled with the cost of paying to build homes that people can’t afford to buy.

The real problem with the nation’s mounting property overhang appears to run deeper than the central bank’s strict lending policies. Essentially, at its core, residential property prices need to come down even lower. This should enhance affordability among the masses so that more can qualify for a loan based on their existing income. The central bank’s assertion that potential home buyers should not be allowed to take on debts that they cannot afford, just to buy property, is indeed the right stand.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2017/07/21/...ing-guidelines/

The worst is yet to come.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 23 2017, 07:56 AM)
KUALA LUMPUR: A property expert has rejected the view that property prices in Malaysia have bottomed out.

Speaking to FMT, chartered surveyor Ernest Chong said he foresaw prices dropping for another two to three years.

He was responding to comments made recently by Sarkunan Subramaniam, the managing director of property consultancy firm Knight Frank.

Subramaniam said in a press interview that the property market had now “seriously bottomed out” and that the market was expected to recover by the end of the year.

But Cheong said property prices could drop more deeply than they did during the 1997/1998 Asian Financial Crisis.

“The cost of living then was still manageable,” he said. “People weren’t struggling as much as they’re doing now and could even afford to save money. It was the banks that were struggling.

He noted that during that financial crisis, residential property values dropped by 36% while commercial property values dropped by 43.9%.

He acknowledged that this was more than the 25% to 30% drop in prices of some properties in today’s market. However, he added: “I believe the percentage prices of properties will drop to levels which are even lower than during the Asian Financial Crisis due to the reduction in consumers’ purchasing power, stagnant salaries, the current economic climate, the goods and services tax and, of course, the oversupply of properties.”

He said he couldn’t say for sure when prices would finally bottom out, but expected them to go lower than the 1997/1998 levels by the middle of 2018.

He said speculators who bought properties between 2010 to 2014 were likely to be the hardest hit.

“So if you are looking for a home, I would say wait till next year. But be sure to evaluate your financial capabilities. If you can afford a loan, then it might be a good time to buy a home.

“But if you’re in no hurry, it would be better to wait till 2019 or 2020. By then, if prices haven’t bottomed out, they would have reached very low levels.”

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ch-rock-bottom/
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All this sexpert already wait for it since 2008 so they still need to wait for another 2 years?
Please continue to wait meanwhile Ayam already roi after just few years
And they gonna wait for until 2028 too by then Ayam already multi millionaire property tycoon
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post Aug 5 2017, 01:02 AM

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Return is so very good compare to this:
whistling.gif whistling.gif

So jew tell me what else can jew get so much return from?
hold jew cash?

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