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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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SUSAngelic Layer
post Apr 15 2019, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 15 2019, 10:44 AM)
Bnm is unlikely to allow bank to insist borrower to top up underwater loan if loan is current. However, if the borrower has multiple loan and one of his loan is defaulted, it could cause a cross default and bank to demand a top up.
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It just haven't happen in Malaysia before, but it doesn't mean it will never happen, especially in a crisis.
After all, our KLSE have denied and limit foreign investors from selling off Malaysian stocks of their holding back in '97, and given the political and economic climate these years I would say it is actually likely, I wouldn't put too much faith on our system.
Back in those days, property for regular folks rarely reach the figure of a million, now even a condo can cost a few millions.
And you have read the post earlier, many properties didn't get any bid after a few round of lelong even, this is unheard of in the past; the viral video about the 2 million condo if value drop under a million, the bank will of course panic will ask for top up as it lost more than half of its value, and we are starting to see some property lost more than half of it's value in lelong market already, so it's a reality.

Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but I have to protect my money and it's always a good thing to be wise and careful.
If you read first page of this topic, how many people say such things are impossible, now it had been a reality/

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post Apr 15 2019, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 15 2019, 03:01 PM)
Local banks are governed by mfrs9; banks need to provide provision if loan is likely to impair. Otherwise, they wouldn't take any action. When bank demand to top up mean they are ready to exit the relationship.
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If the loan had been issued as a part of tranche on the market?
It happens in the last recession. the infamous CDO.
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post Apr 25 2019, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Apr 23 2019, 11:56 PM)
Cristal Serin, Cyberjaya by Villamas:

Here presenting example of multiple submission project / compress loan + offer big cash out possible?
Many many lelong units incoming from here:

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1. Pang - 6 units
2. Azril - 4 units
3. Tan - 7 units
4. Lim - 5 units
5. Teh - 6 units (all her units already sold in lelong at around 400k. minimum 250k lost for each unit)
6. Loke - 3 units
7. Mifzal - 6 units
I salute property guru/sifu and the Sales Agents that managed to sell them all units here.
This is trully die with massive debt.  thumbup.gif
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Wah, 6-7 units how to handle?
6 units 250k losses at minimum each, more than 1.5 million.
Confirm bankruptcy already.
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post Apr 25 2019, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ron2828 @ Apr 25 2019, 01:47 PM)
1 unit 100k cashback,6-7 units already 600-700k

Stash the cashback money in parents/siblings account and declare bankruptcy
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There is no automatic discharge from bankruptcy in Malaysia, say you bankrupt for 15-20 years, 600-700k, something like 2000 per month worth to do so?

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post Apr 25 2019, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ron2828 @ Apr 25 2019, 08:03 PM)
Just a suggestion to salvage the situation....the initial intention was definitely flip for profit

With current negative equity,might as well just declare bankrupt and hide whatever cashback given by developer
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When people willing to go bankrupt 1.5 million for a mere 5-600k, this country have no future already.
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post Apr 25 2019, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(hz428 @ Apr 25 2019, 10:00 PM)
the most scary sign is when more ppl are getting jobless in Malaysia.
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Yes, no income, people's life are getting deteriorating, house, car, education, debt, and even health, future and savings as well as personal relationship is ebbing away as well.
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post Apr 25 2019, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 25 2019, 10:46 PM)
Productivity and working attitude in this country is poor, could only improve if experienced financial difficulty. A economic recession is overdue.
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It is dangerous to say that, it is usually the infrastructure, capitalization of the company in this country is inadequate, say our scale is too small to compete with globalization.
Once a person loses his job over a certain age, say in his 40's he is not likely to be employable anymore.
A generation lost.
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post Apr 25 2019, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(aacow @ Apr 25 2019, 11:32 PM)
wut ? brancrupt forever ?
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You can discharge 5 years after and you submit an application to discharge if you satisfied:
- achieves the target contribution for their debts
- declare their liabilities to Malaysia Department of Insolvency.

If target contribution not met, or there are others bantah, you bankrupt forever.
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post Apr 30 2019, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 29 2019, 02:53 PM)
TOKYO -- As Japan's population ages rapidly, a record 13.6% of housing stands empty nationwide while developers shrug off flat demand and continue their building spree.

A record-breaking 8.46 million residences were unoccupied in 2018, according to a twice-a-decade housing survey released Friday by the central government. The number has grown by 260,000 since the last survey in 2013.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Aging-Japan...nd-stashed-cash

During Japan property bull run end of 1980's, how many have thought there will be excess of home in Japan? unless there is a change in trend (which is unlikely) of demography in this country, similar issue could occur.
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What scary is not about the excess supply, but the subsequent lost decades of stagnancy and struggle.
A quick death and subsequent recovery is better than a slow one.

I understand that many buildings are aging and crumbling for the next Tokyo Olympics as they are build in the 80's, now almost 2-3 decades since.
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post Apr 30 2019, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 30 2019, 01:21 PM)
Unfortunately, local culture don't and gomen lack political will to accept quick death. next downturn could prolong longer than most expected.
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Americans did for the quick end of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, hence quick recovery of the last depression despite the massive scope.
While Greece and Spain is still lingering.
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post Apr 30 2019, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 30 2019, 01:58 PM)
People never handle $100k is unlikely able to handle $500k.
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No matter how much amount, like Warren Buffet said, "Don't lose money."
If you have to lose money, then cut lost fast.
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post May 4 2019, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 4 2019, 07:06 PM)
Hehe... U mean when Mr buffeett cut lost IBM?
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Yes, a terrible mistake.
Where is IBM now, or the younger generation would ask what is "IBM" even.
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post May 4 2019, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 4 2019, 07:41 PM)
buffett talk cut lost fast, but he himself also din cut fast.... hehe

how about disney? sold too early now amdui?  biggrin.gif
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Nonetheless, that didn't make him an unsuccessful investor as one of the richest man.
He had a few mistakes, like his teacher said never buy airline stocks, but he didn't follow that advise and lost money on that 3 or 4 times.
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post May 4 2019, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 4 2019, 08:12 PM)
yes. who got money who voice louder.
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Of course, in order to have money, you have to make them.
Money is the most reliable proof, not like some property flipping speaker who claims that they made multi millions.
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post May 25 2019, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 11 2019, 09:10 PM)
The MoU was signed during the Belt and Road Initiative in Beijing last month, she said.

Zuraida also allayed fears that the China-based companies would pose a threat to local players.

"At present, we only have 11 local companies involved in construction using IBS, and they only have the capacity to build 19,000 units annually.

"With the entry of the China-based companies we can build many more affordable homes to meet our target (to build one million units in 10 years.)

The MoU was signed during the Belt and Road Initiative in Beijing last month, she said.

Zuraida also allayed fears that the China-based companies would pose a threat to local players.

"At present, we only have 11 local companies involved in construction using IBS, and they only have the capacity to build 19,000 units annually.

"With the entry of the China-based companies we can build many more affordable homes to meet our target (to build one million units in 10 years.)

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...RiLtWfpRXoqB.99

If policy is implemented, housing shortage is unlikely in next few years.
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Having foreigner build and building capacity is one thing, back then I was researching on IBS, many of the materials do not pass the fire test by Bomba, poly styrene, poly ethelene dan poly properlene all cannot pass for high rise building, unless you are talking about landed property where standard is lower.
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post May 25 2019, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 25 2019, 10:33 AM)
i also know how to sell

property xxx
market price 900k
lelong 482k NOW!

Question: the property is worth 900k or 482k now?
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Property is worth the price when it has a buyer, no buyer at 482k, 482k also not worth.
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post May 25 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 25 2019, 10:52 AM)
There are many types of building materials. For certain, ibs will meet bomba requirements.
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I would say most of the precast concrete or concrete based would pass, but the panel based ones more often than not wouldn't pass, even they show SIRIM and other certifications.
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post May 29 2019, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 27 2019, 12:41 PM)
The pricing for affordable homes will not exceed RM300,000 but the exact selling price will vary across different states based on the household average income and construction cost in each area.

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https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1541687/nat...ampu-milik-drmm
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Look at the map, almost impossible to achieve in Penang.
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post May 29 2019, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 28 2019, 11:05 PM)
Wow. Didnt realise this unit still available.
More than 10 years completion and I heard from people this unit is still in virgin condition. Owner did nothing for more than 10 years. Anyone able to verify this statement.
Title issued but perfection not done. Still need to deal with the developer. Developer wind up. Liquidator should be around. Subsale still able to sell, refer: https://www.brickz.my/transactions/resident...dah/non-landed/
A-23A-7, Block A, Pelangi Indah Condominium
Reserve price: 🔥🔥RM 249,671🔥🔥
Freehold
1938 sqft (duplex penthouse unit), 1 car park slot (at Ground floor)
Auction : 31-May-2019 (Fri)
Previous Auction(s) for this property
Auction Date  Price
2019-02-28  RM277,412.00
2019-01-30  RM308,236.00
2018-10-25  RM342,484.00
2018-09-28  RM380,538.00
2018-09-13  RM422,820.00
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too long to list
1st auction at 580k.

Additional info to Thasmita who seems to be interested in this unit. This is not the owner only property kena lelong. Got his other property lelong and sold before elsewhere. Boss of some "scammer" company. Refer this website: https://chongmantung.wordpress.com/

Better check for possible caveat also. Many people hunting down this Dato Seri Dr. Chong Man Tung.
Good luck!  smile.gif
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Have you come across any auctions of residential land?
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post May 29 2019, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 29 2019, 12:00 PM)
Surprisingly land worth a lot more empty than those have buildings on it for what they are asking.

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