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Avangelice
post Dec 30 2016, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2016, 09:10 AM)
CMF is a place where you can park your money for short term and earn 3.2x%pa. I use eGIA-i to park my money as it earned 3.55%. Extra 0.3%pa over CMF.
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with eGIA has a potential to lose your investments and rates fluctuating every month.

sacrificing 0.3% for a stress-free sleep. that's a bargain!
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post Dec 30 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 30 2016, 11:28 AM)
CMF is not capital guaranteed.

But it's underlying assets are - Fixed Deposits and normal deposits

If the Trustee is doing it's job, basically it means that CMF IS safe.
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+1. spoke the words out of my mouth
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post Dec 30 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 30 2016, 11:40 AM)
Sometimes I will drop by to shoot people, u won't be missing me tongue.gif
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I'll make sure I'll be on my toes too. don't wanna be caught spewing a wrong statement lest I get a drive by shooting execution style by you or Xuzen lol.
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post Dec 30 2016, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 30 2016, 12:32 PM)
1% sales charge for manulife equity, is this news passed around already?
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already lor. it's been there for a month since December. I already reached my target allocation for India. can't top up further
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post Dec 30 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 30 2016, 12:36 PM)
abang cepat. haha. i just said this cos they send one to my phone app.
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lol I got that too. I'll just hold on buying it until my Asia ex Japan allocation has been met.
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post Dec 30 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Dec 30 2016, 04:51 PM)
actually how did u guys choose the correct fund to invest in? Just click on recommended unit trust and simply pick one over there?
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it's not about choosing the correct fund but avoiding buying the worst performing fund as everyone believes each fund will go up question is can the fund maximize your monies potential and not waste your time?

QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 30 2016, 05:00 PM)
where did all these new investors come from?? all of a sudden so many new faces??
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Good la. I rather they start saving rather than spend unnecessary in star bucks and buy the latest iPhone. or be led by mlm, Ponzi or agents. each one of us here are doing good karma by sharing out information and helping someone improve his or her financial capabilities. that's why I stick around.

Well that and I get all the pretty stars and improve on my knowledge
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post Dec 30 2016, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 30 2016, 06:37 PM)
Where did Rm50K come from? I think this is an English fluency problem, people don't understand what "drops to" means, somehow it's being translated wrong smile.gif

It's the way people process language I think.. if I had said.. if your fund drops 50%, your 10K ma become 5K already.. I think that people can understand, but I can't write that way smile.gif

I think Avangelice will understand this, he's a doctor, and you can't really have English comprehension problems and still be a doctor smile.gif
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woah woah woah. why people keep bringing me into arguments lately. I'm innocent I tell you. innocent!
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post Dec 30 2016, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 30 2016, 08:55 PM)
Friends, what's your personal take on next year? Especially in terms of performance of funds (equities, bonds, balanced, money market etc) in the various regions around the world relative to us, such as Malaysia, Asia/Asia Pacific, USA, Europe, Japan, non-Asian Emerging Markets etc.

I've been doing some reading, seems like a lot of global fund companies are recommending Europe due to the undervaluation there - but all it needs is some Trump/Brexit thing to wreck havoc in France/Germany and the European market will likely not perform all that well.

Likewise it seems that US bluechip equities are considered overpriced and have less room to grow. They recommend small cap in the USA, since Trump says he wants to help local American businesses and even if that is not real, for half a year at least the "sentiment" will help propel small cap forward.

Japan seems to have a moderately positive outlook but I didn't do much reading.

Asia/APAC is said to have medium rate of growth with moderate volatility, while Emerging Markets in general are said to have medium-to-high growth rate with high volatility.
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maybe you should have a go st this article to help you

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...articleNo=12128

all I can say is this.

so what do we do?
diversify your portfolio.
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post Dec 31 2016, 12:28 AM

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while we are out and about talking about chasing returns and capital appreciation, public mutual on the other hand.....

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KUALA LUMPUR: Public Mutual has declared distributions amounting to more than RM115mil for 10 funds for the financial year ended Dec 30, 2016.

Public Mutual, which manages RM69.9bil in funds, said on Friday said the distribution per unit for the Public Savings Fund was 1.70 sen and for the Public Focus Select Fund 0.5 sen while for the Public Strategic Bond Fund 3.25 sen.

For the Public Islamic Savings Fund, the distribution per unit was 0.4 sen and Public Islamic Growth & Income Fund (0.25 sen) while for the Public Islamic Enhanced Bond Fund and Public Islamic Strategic Bond Fund, four sen each.

It added that for the PB Growth Sequel Fund, the distribution per unit was 0.75 sen per unit; PB Mixed Asset Conservative Fund (one sen) and PB Aiman Sukuk Fund (4.5 sen).

Public Strategic Bond Fund, Public Islamic Savings Fund, Public Islamic Enhanced Bond Fund, Public Islamic Strategic Bond Fund and PB Growth Sequel Fund are open for EPF Members Investment Scheme.



Interestingly enough,

the Ytd for public savings fund is - 6.33% and we haven't talked about their management fee and agent fee yet. current management fee on fund factsheet is 1.50%

where as public focus ytd returns is hovering at - 5.71%

public Islamic savings fund
-5.03%

PB growth sequel fund
-9.41

lol seems like public mutual is trying to blow its trumpet by saying look at our dividends!

This post has been edited by Avangelice: Dec 31 2016, 12:36 AM
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post Dec 31 2016, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 31 2016, 01:23 AM)
Correct me if I am wrong but dividends for variable price funds seems just like pure BS, no? Cause if there was a RM0.02 dividend, it's a norm for the NAV/unit price to drop by that exact same amount. Of course that is balancedby reinvesting the dividends in more units, such that the total NAV before and after dividends is basically the same.

At least this was my observation after studying the variable price ASN 3 fund.
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exactly my point. dividends don't make a single ding into your investment when your NAV drops but public mutual sought to publish this in the star in hopes some poor sod will read it and call them next Monday and agent will sign him up.

if he just went through Bloomberg for 5 minutes he would have noticed if he invested in the funds back in 2015 he would have noticed that losses were made continously until 1st January 2017

lest we forget there's a management fee and agent fees that need to be subtracted.
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post Dec 31 2016, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 31 2016, 01:35 AM)
To be fair the management fee is already included in the NAV. The sales/agent charge, that's another matter.

The only real dividends that matter are from fixed price funds like some of the Amanah Saham funds. There, a 6% dividend represents your actual returns for the year.

Public Bank is not the only one - Amanah Saham does the same for their variable priced funds. They make a huge announcement about it. When in true fact most such Amanah Saham funds have got a negative return for the year.

Which is why I stay away from those fund houses. They treat you like you're a dumb person.
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similar to Tabung Haji and EPF, they don't exactly give a breakdown how and where the dividends come from but pull out the 6% every year to tell Malaysia is everything is rosie and good when the main Malaysian EQ are bleeding. of course some of those investments are from foreign investments, how much I don't know.

they can very well take money from new investors and use that as "dividends".


QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 31 2016, 04:44 AM)
To use your Cash Management Fund to buy unit trusts, you need to ensure that there are sufficient holdings in the Cash Management Fund.
Simply select the Cash Management Fund as the payment method during the buy process.
The investment amount payable will be deducted from your Cash Management Fund immediately and it will be reflected in your View Holding webpage.
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...nt-Methods-2409

Q: What can I do with my Cash Management Fund?

A: There are 6 main types of Cash Management Fund transactions:

1) Buy into the Cash Management Fund
2) Sell your Cash Management Fund holdings
3) Buy Unit Trusts using your Cash Management Fund holdings
4) Park proceeds from a sell order into the Cash Management Fund
5) Switch your Cash Management Fund holdings into UT; this is similar to placing a unit trust buy order using your Cash Management Fund holdings
6) Switch UT into the Cash Management Fund; this is similar to parking the proceeds of a unit trust sell order into the Cash Management Fund

You may buy or sell the Cash Management Fund at any time. The minimum initial and subsequent investment amount is RM500 and RM100 respectively. There is no lock-in period. The minimum redemption amount required is RM 100, should you wish to place a partial sell order.
You may buy a unit trust via the Cash Management Fund with ease, as long as there is sufficient holdings in your Cash Management Fund. You may simply specify the ‘Cash Management Fund’ as the payment method during the buy process. The invested amount will be deducted from your Cash Management Fund holdings, and it will be used to buy a unit trust immediately as long as the buy order is placed before 3pm on a business day.
When you sell a unit trust, you may also specify the ‘Cash Management Fund’ as the redemption method. The sales proceeds will be used to invest in the Cash Management Fund, without incurring any sales charge.
You may place an inter-switch order to switch your Cash Management Fund to another unit trust without any lag time. The sales proceeds of your Cash Management Fund sell order, after deducting the prevailing FSM sales charge, will be used to buy into the fund which you have chosen to switch-buy, without any lag time. This transaction is equivalent to placing a buy order using the Cash Management Fund.
You may also place an inter-switch order to switch your unit trust into the Cash Management Fund. The entire sales proceeds of your unit trust sale will be used to buy into the Cash Management Fund, upon receiving the sales proceeds of the fund you have chosen to switch-sell, on the settlement date. There are no sales charges in doing so. This transaction is equivalent to placing a sell order and selecting the Cash Management Fund as a redemption method.
Do take note that an intra-switch is not allowed for cash management fund. Please refer to the correspondent fund prospectus for more information.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...t-Fund-2-9718#3
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thank you Mum for helping that.
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post Dec 31 2016, 04:42 PM

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hey everyone. let us end the year on a light note! plus it's a weekend and the markets are closed until next week so let us all take a chill pill.

go spend time with your love ones or celebrate with your friends.

come 7th January (seminar) let us focus on building our portfolios. Cheers and Happy New Year to all.
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post Jan 1 2017, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 1 2017, 03:01 AM)
A few pages somebody was asking why this thread suddenly so active with newcomers. As for me personally, it was because my 1 year FD matured and I needed to do something with it. Stocks was too complicated for me, so UT funds it was. 2 days in, 0.51% portfolio growth.

I'm also not a very wasteful person in terms of spending and am a man of simple needs. So yeah all that extra monthly money, better to put it into investment rather than sitting in my bank account.

All the best to everyone here. My personal goal for this one year is to see 8-10% growth in my portfolio at least. Hopefully all of your targets are met and here's to a good 2017 from an investment perspective!
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same here. fd matured and the rates suck. got a big cash injection right after trump election. here's to everyone making a success with their investment coming year and let us help the guys in need
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post Jan 1 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 1 2017, 10:49 AM)
just becareful.....few forummers here are known to have published their few years annualised returns of less than FD rates.
anyway hope yours are NOT the same as them.
HAPPY NEW YEAR and may the odd be forever be with you!
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 1 2017, 02:04 PM)
Franky gave me RM 1,000 to buy into stock market. In exchange I gave him 1,000 units. After one year, that sum grew to RM 1,100.00. His NAV will become RM 1,100 divided by 1,000 units equals RM 1.10 per unit.

I decide to distribute RM 150.00 back to him. RM 1,100 less 150 equals RM 950.00. Hence his latest NAV is now RM 0.95 per unit after receiving that RM 150.00.

But he gave me back that RM 150.00 and Franky told me to reinvest that amount into that same fund.

Hence I use that RM 150.00 and convert it back into units at MYR 150.00 divided by 0.95 (NAV) equals = 157.89 units.

Now, Franky has 1,000 units from his original investment plus another new 157.89 units; his new total units equals to 1,157.89 units.

This 1,157.89 units multiply with RM 0.95 NAV equals RM 1,100.00 in total.

So Franky realised that before distribution, his total unit trust is valued at RM 1,100.00 and total units held is 1,000 units.

After distribution, his total unit trust value is also valued at RM 1,100.00 and total units held has become 1,157.89 units.

To put it plainly, even his units has increased which gives him a "shiok sendiri" feeling.... his total value is still the same before and after distribution. Hence Franky should realise by now distribution does Jack Sh1t.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 2 2017, 02:49 PM)
Because I understand how UT works already (thanks to you guys!) but am still figuring out how the stock market works. So I thought maybe some folks here can tie the two together and give a well rounded answer as to how dividends differ for UTs and shares. In my mind they are different but I wanted to confirm the fact.

I also wanted to confirm my thinking that a stock split functions in a similar way to the Unit Trust dividend methodology (that gets reinvested of course) - meaning, in both cases your total shares/units increase, but their individual unit price decreases...leading to a total net zero returns pre/post dividend/split respectively.
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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 2 2017, 05:02 PM)
Just some questions here, I am actually looking into a fixed income funds that could provide me around 6% annual return. But upon clicking the recommended fund list, "RHB Emerging Markets Bond Fund" seems to have a nice chart that provides an average 10% PA with a balanced risk rating of 5.

While "RHB Asian Income Fund" provides a 7.93% projected annual return at a risk rating of 6.

Does that means taking "RHB Emerging Markets Bond Fund" is a better choice since it has lower risk with better returns? And they don't seems to implement any sales charge for it as well.
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fixed income funds dont have service charge bro

also note that this fixed income fund has a switching fee of 25 myr regardless if you switched to another bond fund.


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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 2 2017, 05:21 PM)
But considering it to be under the fixed income category with a balanced risk rating, it is recommended to place on it? Or any suggestion? Since my other option is just place it into FD.
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FD returns may be safe but you are sacrificing returns for it with FD having abysmal 4% returns which sucks.

currently i have Affin hwang select bond fund for its geographical allocation and "low" risk as compared to your emerging market.

also if you don't like either both, you can try going into Libra Anita bond fund which has an allocation in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 2 2017, 05:29 PM)
you are placing in MYR, and this MYR will be converted to the currency of the target funds.....
the reverse can also happens to the MYR, thus there is a risk of negatives returns since to some analyses, MYR is now too undervalued...
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so you suggesting we don't buy now until our currency improves?
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 2 2017, 05:35 PM)
buy with the money that you can afford to lose....
you need to diversify, just diversify in the % that you can afford to lose "if" the happens RM recovers
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which means it's better to buy Malaysian bonds and EQ at this juncture? when it recovers both the currency and the fund would greatly improve like a domino effect?

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