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post Jan 8 2017, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 8 2017, 11:38 AM)
If USD strenthen against MYR, those NAV of USD denominated unit trust fund will increase and if the converse happens, then the reverse will happen also. Since you are a finance noob, learn this mantra and repeat it 10,000 times a day,

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P/s Let us take a trip down memory lane and think about it at a moment. Rewind the clock and go back to 1991 during the first gulf war, it was around 2.50 MYR to one USD wasn't it?

I remembered that USD was plunging. Oil price was shooting up the roof! MYR was so strong. If during that period, would you buy M'sia stock market or US stock market? In 1990, our KLSE index was around 600pts, it went up and up and by 1997, just before the Asian Financial crisis, our KLSE was in 1,200 pts territories....

During that period, would you have thought about investing in US stock market?

What I am showing you is that investment is never static, currently, we are licking Uncle Sam's balls now, but there was a time, foreigners were licking our balls.

Who knows in some future time, we may all be talking about investing in the Kingdom of Wakanda stock exchange and we may be rushing to buy their currency, Vibranium Dollars.
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Ok, I totally agree that investment is never static.

Which is why I am wondering how come members of this forum thread aren't supportive of and don't practice sŵitching out their funds when it is absolutely clear a certain market is going to tank, even if it isn't just short term (1-3months).

Say we get news in February that due to whatever reason, China's capital markets are going to take a beating for around 3 months. Will you leave your funds in the CIMB Greater China fund, or will you switch it out short term to something else and switch back when the Chinese capital markets recover?
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post Jan 8 2017, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 8 2017, 01:34 PM)
Spoken like a true noob.....Haven't you heard of a Chinses saying, "If we know everything in advance, in this world there there will have any beggars".

Do you have a crystal ball that works 24/7?
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I'm a noob yes (for now), but I am NOT talking about speculation. I am talking about concrete market trends.

Anyway if/when I do such a tactic, I will be sure to update everyone here with regards to its success or failure. I personally think there is margin to eke out even higher returns by doing some minimal informed tactical switching/redemption/re-allocation from time to time - but I guess I will have to put this hypothesis to test myself.

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post Jan 8 2017, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 8 2017, 02:00 PM)
doh.gif  oh,...too bad,...the SC will "eats" the profits away.  blush.gif
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For what it's worth, I have pretty much break even already (started on 27 Dec 2016).

But going forward I will use FSM. I am more confident now.

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post Jan 8 2017, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 8 2017, 01:58 PM)
Look out for your transaction cost. If you are tactical type playaz, better to use a wrap account, for that feature allows you unlimited free switching. Think of wrap account like your monthly parking season pass to your condo Parking.

Then you can switch around and perfom tactical hit & run tactic, but it is high risk. Sometimes you can make a wrong call.... like the Trump winning the POTUS. Prior to him winning, you ask ten fund manager, nine of them will say Clinton will win.

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I will look into a wrap account.

But switches are free already right (aside from RHB/Manulife)? So far I done one switch - on M2U, it was totally free. Today I will do another switch, this time on CIMB Clicks, to see if there are any costs and how long the turnaround process takes. I'm probably switching out from the TA European Equity Fund to the TA South East Asia Equity Fund. This is just a "for education/experience" sake...I am not basing this switch on any substantiated market trends. Plus it's just 6.7% of my portfolio, there isn't much of a risk if anything goes wrong. Will switch back to European Equity as soon as possible.

Also, about Trump and Brexit...it is making a bet. It is NOT a market trend.

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post Jan 9 2017, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 8 2017, 06:48 PM)
My portfolio, on average, barely 4 months old  blush.gif

Total portfolio value less than 8k  blush.gif
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Is that 2.16% solely the fund performance only, or includes the SC as well?

Anyway, with your funds, it shows how much of a difference timing can make. I agree my timing was down to fortunate circumstances and not any crystal ball predictions, but in less than 2 weeks since Dec 27 I have a gross return of 2.4% and a net return of -0.3% on my portfolio.

I like how you too have a bunch of funds (I have 9)...but my belief is that eventually it is most efficient to target and only operate 3-4 funds for maximized returns.
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post Jan 9 2017, 02:11 AM

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Guys, I think this Saturday I can make some funds available to put into FSM. I haven't created an account yet (want to do it as late as possible to stretch out the one month 1% promo charge).

So just some quick questions to get an idea by when I should do the following:

1) Is the account creation process instantaneous or takes a few days? When to get started?

2) Is it instant to transfer funds into FSM or takes a while? When to do this if I want to have a certain amount of funds available this coming Saturday?

Thanks!
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post Jan 9 2017, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 9 2017, 10:30 AM)
Actually I have to disagree with your conclusion that "how much difference timing can make" by looking at AIYH's portfolio. His portfolio is rather diversified in region. Sure, at the moment his global/developed nations funds are doing great and MY funds are not doing well; but if situation reverses in the next few months assuming Trump is a disaster as expected; then the reverse would happen and his portfolio would still be growing positively on an overall basis albeit lesser compared to those who bet on the right horse every time. But seriously, which retail investor can do that all the time?

It's very different from what you proposed, to only focus on funds that you think has potential to make a lot in the short term and switch everytime the fund lose steam.

Obviously I'm in a different ship than you but I wish you well. Ppl losing money on unit trust would just give it a bad name regardless of how they lose the money, whether it's really the product's fault or user problem
If you really plan to do that, you should ask FSM to transfer the holdings over instead of selling in CIMB clicks and re-purchase in FSM. Not only you lose out on SC, you'd also lose out on timing which you emphasis so much of
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Bro can you please calm down? I haven't done anything. My initial portfolio investment was with the long term in mind. The idea to switch in and out came after that.
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post Jan 9 2017, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 9 2017, 03:15 PM)
I am thinking of kgf and Cimb greater china
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Agreed with the other reply you got. You need to start with a broader base and learn the market before going in deeper.

KGF is OK. At the very least you support your local markets.

But don't get the CIMB Greater China Fund (as great as it may be) without covering other less risky bases first.

The best broad-base suggestion I can give is the CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund or the RHB Asian Income Fund. As a newbie, you should pick one of these two and then go in to deeper markets (Greater China, India, Australia, SEA etc). Another suggestion would be the CIMB Global Titans Fund, but it's hard to say if this will be a good or bad or OK year for developed markets. The Eastspring Global Leaders MY Fund or the Eastspring Emerging Markets Fund are also worth looking in to.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 9 2017, 10:00 PM)
Brothers I need some help,

I switched eastspring small cap to Eastspring Global Emerging markets somewhere in November. I wanted to compare the scenario of holding vs switching around the time I made that decision but eastspring small cap had a distribution the other day so that skewered the comparison.

here's my historical transaction

Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund 2016-12-01 4,739.37 RM 0.6678 - 0.00% RM 3,164.95

Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets Fund 2016-12-01 RM 3,164.95 - RM 0.3087 10,252.51

this would be a good case study for argument holding vs active switching that we had a few days. the problem is that the distribution, I don't know if I actually made money from it or not. how do you compute this
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1) Calculate your total dividend. I.E. number of units * dividend per unit

2) Using the new post-dividend NAV per unit, calculate your additional units you get from reinvesting the dividends.

3) Sum up your initial plus reinvested units. Multiply that by the days NAV per unit. From this point onwards use the same method you have been using thus far to calculate your holdings. It's easy to do in Excel.

At least I think that's how it should work. Correct me if I am wrong. I am also assuming the units are reinvested the same day they are announced at the NAV price of that day.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 9 2017, 10:14 PM)
hahahahahahahaha sorry bro I had to laugh not in a mocking way is just that I'm clueless as an ape but thanks for the tips.
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Ok, I calculated for you.

Small Cap Fund:

Initial value: RM3164.95

Current value (as of 6 Jan): RM3215.96 >>> Includes dividends reinvested at the NAV per unit value on the date the dividend is distributed

Returns (current vs initial): 1.61%

Global Emerging Market Fund:

Initial value: RM3164.95

Current value (as of 6 Jan): RM3267.48

Returns (current vs initial): 3.24%

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 9 2017, 10:54 PM)
Current NAV price 0.6443
NAV upon switching RM 0.6678
dividend = RM 0.0338
Total lost.........?
Current NAV of Emerging markets 0.3187
NAV upon switching RM 0.3087
Total returns 2.98%
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How you calculate your returns? NAV of 0.3087 > 0.3187 is 3.24%

Formula is simple:

[(End NAV/Start NAV) - 1] * 100%

And I don't understand what you mean by "Total lost...........?"
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post Jan 10 2017, 01:34 AM

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Guys, I just noticed that the funds using foreign mother funds are all lagged one day behind the stated NAV date. Like for example, the US markets are still open yet there is a price for the Schroeder Small and Mid-Cap Fund used by the RHB US Focus Equity Fund for the date of 9 Jan 2016, which should be impossible. This is true for all RHB, CIMB, TA etc funds that are based on a foreign mother fund.

So, essentially when the date is stated as 9 Jan, it is actually showing the results from 6 Jan.

However, this is not true for purely local in-house operated funds, be they Malaysian or SEA/APAC/Asian funds.

Just thought this is an interesting thing to share with you all.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 10 2017, 01:52 AM)
Where would you find a price for either dated 9/1 ?
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Bloomberg, or their website. This goes for all Schroders, Principal Global and Henderson Horizon funds. Only exception is possibly the Schroders SG fund (Asian Income).

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Guys, read this. Interesting stuff about the value of investing in emerging markets. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...merging-markets

Also, I sent an email to Schroders asking them about the timing/date of their fund pricing.

This is the response I got:

"Kindly note that a fund is priced based on Closure of Business on T for Asian stocks, intra-day for European and Closure of Business on T-1 for US. Some funds have a fair value system in place, further details will be in the current prospectus and latest annual/semi-annual report."

Can somebody explain what is meant by the reply?

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QUOTE(miotot @ Jan 10 2017, 05:28 PM)
Thanks. Need to read more. smile.gif
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I disagree with DCA. It's like saying yesterday's Subway sandwich at RM25 was expensive and not worth it, and to make myself feel better today I buy the Subway sandwich at RM13.
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Guys, I've been doing some thinking, and it seems like to get a high annualised return it is better to focus on only a few funds, rather than having a portfolio of 8-15 funds.

Currently I have nine (2 MY, 1 Asia, 2APAC, 1 GC, 1 EU, 1 US and 1 Global).

Of course in such a portfolio as above it would be hard to make a net negative return annualised, but the returns will be cancelled out by over and under performing funds and you get a mediocre value.

Would it be better to consolidate them to 3-4 funds max? I'm thanking 1 MY, 1 APAC, 1 Global/US/EU and 1 Emerging Markets (discrete case or general case). MY and APAC to be permanent funds, the other two to be tactical with periodic revisions as and when needed.

Of course I won't change things now, I bought 9 to learn about the various regions. But in a year's time I would want to consolidate things to maximise and streamline my returns.

Would love to hear from those who have and believe in smaller portfolio vs those who have and believe in a larger portfolio.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 10 2017, 08:33 PM)
I thought you are able to spot trend, or at least spot it correct most of the time? That being the case no matter how many funds you have you are still able to get the highest return.

Keeping MY and APAC as permanent funds ? Why ? These are easy targets for people to goreng up and goreng down. For that matter, I wonder which fund will be most stable .... Bond funds were badly hit also recently.
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C'mon man, I never said I could spot anything correctly. It is a hypothetical scenario and so far I have not switched anything due to market trends. I am a newbie and am learning all the time. We all learn all the time.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Jan 10 2017, 08:42 PM)
How long would it take FSM to update CIMB Principal Australian Equity Fund's fact sheet ? Still shows novermbers issue!
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB008.pdf
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All the latest Fund fact sheets are dated 30Nov. The 31 Dec fact sheets aren't out yet for any fund houses in Malaysia. Not sure why or when is the normal publication date of these fact sheets.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Jan 10 2017, 08:52 PM)
I'll call up FSM tomorrow and ask them
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Call up CIMB or TA or RHB etc. FSM can't do anything about it.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 PM)
Have been waiting that for 2 weeks dy, probably another 1 to 2 weeks sweat.gif
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What do you mean? Your dividend still not yet distributed back? I thought it gets reinvested on that same day it is distributed?

Please clarify. TQ!

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