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TSHolyjolly
post Dec 12 2016, 08:18 PM, updated 9y ago

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Dear all sifu-sifu here, I have a tokina 11-16mm UWA lens and I want to try ND filters for those long exposure landscape photography.
At first, I am looking for variable ND filter since it can be adjusted according to different density, which sounds more economical since I have a limited budget.

However, as far as i know, variable ND filter is not recommend for UWA lens as you can see its frame/vignetting.
Some people say need to get a bigger variable ND filter so that you wont see vignetting, using step up ring i think?
Or get those square filter with holder would help?

If get a fixed ND filter, is there any level (stops) of ND filter that is "fit-for-all-use" or provide versatility? (common ND used)

Please enlighten me. Thanks!

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Dec 14 2016, 10:24 AM
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post Dec 14 2016, 02:14 PM

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I have a tokina 11-16mm too. I use it with a slim Cokin P holder with GND filter. Yes it does have some slight vignetting at 11mm, but is totally usable at 12mm.

For GND, the best filter for me is the 3 stop GND.

For just ND filter, http://breakthrough.photography/nd-buying-guide/
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post Dec 14 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Dec 12 2016, 08:18 PM)
Dear all sifu-sifu here, I have a tokina 11-16mm UWA lens and I want to try ND filters for those long exposure landscape photography.
At first, I am looking for variable ND filter since it can be adjusted according to different density, which sounds more economical since I have a limited budget.

However, as far as i know, variable ND filter is not recommend for UWA lens as you can see its frame/vignetting.
Some people say need to get a bigger variable ND filter so that you wont see vignetting, using step up ring i think?
Or get those square filter with holder would help?

If get a fixed ND filter, is there any level (stops) of ND filter that is "fit-for-all-use" or provide versatility? (common ND used)

Please enlighten me. Thanks!
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Referring to the bolded part above
I'm using the haida 1000x ND which cost me like less than RM50 if not mistaken

Can read this review - http://text.flowtographyberlin.de/neutral-...-as-good-as-bw/
TSHolyjolly
post Dec 26 2016, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Dec 14 2016, 02:14 PM)
I have a tokina 11-16mm too. I use it with a slim Cokin P holder with GND filter. Yes it does have some slight vignetting at 11mm, but is totally usable at 12mm.

For GND, the best filter for me is the 3 stop GND.

For just ND filter, http://breakthrough.photography/nd-buying-guide/
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I have coincidently read one of your previous post on other thread that you didn't face colour casting issue from your side from Cokin filter, but not for other user. am I right? Does cokin filter involves different performance across the manufacturing batches or improvisation revision done by them?

So cokin P series (slim version) is applicable on Tokina 11-16 down to 12mm? How about the normal version with multiple slot? Slim version is the single slot right?

Will Z series overcome this issue down to widest 11mm on DX DSLR?
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post Dec 27 2016, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Dec 26 2016, 09:33 PM)
I have coincidently read one of your previous post on other thread that you didn't face colour casting issue from your side from Cokin filter, but not for other user. am I right? Does cokin filter involves different performance across the manufacturing batches or improvisation revision done by them?

So cokin P series (slim version) is applicable on Tokina 11-16 down to 12mm? How about the normal version with multiple slot? Slim version is the single slot right?

Will Z series overcome this issue down to widest 11mm on DX DSLR?
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I think the newer cokin filter shouldn't have the color cast anymore. I bought mine at adorama

Only use the slim version (single slot) for Tokina 11-16, the normal version is not usable. Also i never use 2 filter together, so the single slot is enough.


Z series is bigger and won't have issue on 11mm.. but means the filter is also more expensive.

But if you ask me now, I will recommend HiTech filter over Cokin. The quality is better. Cokin is more plasticky. Hitech is also cheaper than Lee or Singh Ray.

You can have a look at my Europe pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/65315244@N04/...157636751453605

Most are taken with the Cokin GND, a few with direct sunlight are taken with a Hitech RGND. All no special color treatment, just some vibrance and saturation

Cokin is a very good beginner kit if price is your concern
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post Dec 29 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Dec 14 2016, 02:32 PM)
Referring to the bolded part above
I'm using the haida 1000x ND which cost me like less than RM50 if not mistaken

Can read this review - http://text.flowtographyberlin.de/neutral-...-as-good-as-bw/
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Where did you get that ND1000 filter? < RM50?! Hoya goes about RM300+ rclxub.gif
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post Dec 29 2016, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(domo_kun @ Dec 29 2016, 09:20 AM)
Where did you get that ND1000 filter? < RM50?! Hoya goes about RM300+  rclxub.gif
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From China taobao haha
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=394933..._u=t2gkng3ca44a

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post Dec 29 2016, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Dec 27 2016, 11:15 AM)
I think the newer cokin filter shouldn't have the color cast anymore. I bought mine at adorama

Only use the slim version (single slot) for Tokina 11-16, the normal version is not usable. Also i never use 2 filter together, so the single slot is enough.
Z series is bigger and won't have issue on 11mm.. but means the filter is also more expensive.

But if you ask me now, I will recommend HiTech filter over Cokin. The quality is better. Cokin is more plasticky. Hitech is also cheaper than Lee or Singh Ray.

You can have a look at my Europe pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/65315244@N04/...157636751453605

Most are taken with the Cokin GND, a few with direct sunlight are taken with a Hitech RGND. All no special color treatment, just some vibrance and saturation

Cokin is a very good beginner kit if price is your concern
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Owh, need to use the single slot wide angle version ah. I found 2nd hand seller for multiple slot....

Nice shot! It seems that hard to find seller of Hitech in Malaysia though. Do you have any source? I guess I will go for Cokin 1st for instance.
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post Dec 29 2016, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(domo_kun @ Dec 29 2016, 09:20 AM)
Where did you get that ND1000 filter? < RM50?! Hoya goes about RM300+  rclxub.gif
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I think if you really need this such high f stopper ND1000 and seek for perfection, good one will not let you down. But depending on our wallet yo..

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post Dec 30 2016, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Dec 29 2016, 04:20 PM)
Owh, need to use the single slot wide angle version ah. I found 2nd hand seller for multiple slot....

Nice shot! It seems that hard to find seller of Hitech in Malaysia though. Do you have any source? I guess I will go for Cokin 1st for instance.
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I bought at US adorama/bhphoto, I forgot which one. Delivered to US address.

Yeah locally, Hitech should be quite hard to find. Cokin is a good choice. Buy it and let us know whether it got color cast or not tongue.gif
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post Jan 4 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Dec 29 2016, 12:23 PM)
This is quite tempting, since it's so cheap. Good for practice, perhaps. Hehe, thank you. But I'll need a translator as I can't read Chinese. By the way, do they deliver goods to Malaysia? I remember long time ago it was said that they don't send to Malaysia, but requires a third party of some sort to do the delivery.

QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Dec 29 2016, 04:22 PM)
I think if you really need this such high f stopper ND1000 and seek for perfection, good one will not let you down. But depending on our wallet yo..
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Other than Hoya, I'm also looking at Athabasca, about RM100+ cheaper than Hoya. But this Haida... HMMMM. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Dec 12 2016, 08:18 PM)
Dear all sifu-sifu here, I have a tokina 11-16mm UWA lens and I want to try ND filters for those long exposure landscape photography.
At first, I am looking for variable ND filter since it can be adjusted according to different density, which sounds more economical since I have a limited budget.

However, as far as i know, variable ND filter is not recommend for UWA lens as you can see its frame/vignetting.
Some people say need to get a bigger variable ND filter so that you wont see vignetting, using step up ring i think?
Or get those square filter with holder would help?

If get a fixed ND filter, is there any level (stops) of ND filter that is "fit-for-all-use" or provide versatility? (common ND used)

Please enlighten me. Thanks!
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http://breakthrough.photography/nd-buying-guide/

According to the article, 6 stops ND filter is a good one to start with.

This post has been edited by Grajindo: Jan 4 2017, 01:36 PM
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post Jan 4 2017, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(domo_kun @ Jan 4 2017, 10:13 AM)
This is quite tempting, since it's so cheap. Good for practice, perhaps. Hehe, thank you. But I'll need a translator as I can't read Chinese. By the way, do they deliver goods to Malaysia? I remember long time ago it was said that they don't send to Malaysia, but requires a third party of some sort to do the delivery.
Other than Hoya, I'm also looking at Athabasca, about RM100+ cheaper than Hoya. But this Haida... HMMMM.  sweat.gif
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There are plenty of taobao agent out there that can help you with your purchase - maybe need to pay a little bit more but still cheaper than getting it elsewhere.
The one I usually use is yeslogistics

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post Jan 6 2017, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(domo_kun @ Jan 4 2017, 10:13 AM)
This is quite tempting, since it's so cheap. Good for practice, perhaps. Hehe, thank you. But I'll need a translator as I can't read Chinese. By the way, do they deliver goods to Malaysia? I remember long time ago it was said that they don't send to Malaysia, but requires a third party of some sort to do the delivery.
Other than Hoya, I'm also looking at Athabasca, about RM100+ cheaper than Hoya. But this Haida... HMMMM.  sweat.gif
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I think taobao now did ship to Malaysia. My gf always shopping over the taobao web site. Sometimes I also tumpang her to buy GoPro accessories. Dirt Cheap and some seller will give out free gifts.
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post Jan 13 2017, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Jan 6 2017, 01:49 AM)
I think taobao now did ship to Malaysia. My gf always shopping over the taobao web site. Sometimes I also tumpang her to buy GoPro accessories. Dirt Cheap and some seller will give out free gifts.
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Attempting to get it from ezbuy website, total up around RM90inclusive of delivery to MY. Hehe, I think this may be worth it. After all, it cost a fraction of those branded ones being sold in MY. hmm.gif

 

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