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Hansel
post Dec 16 2016, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(xpmm @ Dec 16 2016, 05:03 PM)
4.47 is so close to 4.5, not 4.7 which is close to 5

can anyone believe that after fed hike myr only move 0.02?, myr so keng, sgd jpy gbp all drop more than myr.

bnm already fix usd/myr below 4.5, 4.47 is not the real exchange rate.

if we can get 4.5 rate, must transfer all our money out because the real rate is more than 5.00 already.
transfer, jangan tak transfer.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2016, 06:02 PM)
u and i saw and understood this.

i hope the rest did too.
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Yeah,... I think xpmm has a point there,... But there is no hurry to convert, right ?? Since our central bank is going to hold this rate and defend the MYR, we can convert anytime, as long as they have the power to defend the currency,....

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post Dec 17 2016, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(xpmm @ Dec 16 2016, 05:03 PM)
4.47 is so close to 4.5, not 4.7 which is close to 5

can anyone believe that after fed hike myr only move 0.02?, myr so keng, sgd jpy gbp all drop more than myr.

bnm already fix usd/myr below 4.5, 4.47 is not the real exchange rate.

if we can get 4.5 rate, must transfer all our money out because the real rate is more than 5.00 already.
transfer, jangan tak transfer.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2016, 06:39 PM)
u saw that too earlier when u commented "how come other em currencies...?". biggrin.gif

if one cannot see that, it will be hard to foresee what comes next.

intervention... long how, how much fx reserves, what controls next... good point.

the trouble is our major economic policies are largely dictated by politicians... u know...

they may do something "extraordinary" or just let go.

so, we will just have to see what we will see.
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Going back to the points in the above,... I discovered the following :-

I calculated if I am to use the current exchange rates to convert directly from the RM into the AUD, compared against if I am to convert from the RM into the USD first, then after that into the AUD at about the same time, I will spend RM10 less for RM100 to buy the same amount of AUD worth of conversions.

Hence, yes, I believed the actual value f the RM right now is actually more that 4.47,... perhaps even touching as high as RM5 per USD. But because of help from our central bank, we can 'enjoy' a lower USD. Yeah,.........

....... I await further comments,........


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post Dec 18 2016, 12:48 AM

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I think the exporters are no more enjoying themselves as they used to after BNM forced them to convert 75% of their proceeds back to the RM !

I believed nobody would want to convert into 'a lot of a currency' that CONTINUES TO WEAKEN !

This post has been edited by Hansel: Dec 18 2016, 12:52 AM
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post Dec 18 2016, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Dec 18 2016, 04:47 AM)
I believe businessman made most money from the trade margin. The Forex gain from sitting on usd pile is just bonus. Nobody likes their bonus being taken away, but that doesn't mean they will just quit/walkaway from their money-making trades.
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Hmm,... I tend to disagree somewhat,.. for myself, even though I am making a lot from the margin, but if what I made MUST BE converted into something that will lose its value slowly, I will still hesitate.
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post Dec 18 2016, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(kit2 @ Dec 18 2016, 06:06 AM)
quoting with quotes again?

you should at least type something to express your own views smile.gif
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Bro,... for myself, I think it's great that AV can furnish us news. He put in great effort to find and post. I wouldn't ask more of him if he is not ready to comment. The great thing abt this thread is we all scour and post what we find from the net. thumbsup.gif
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post Dec 18 2016, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 17 2016, 05:22 PM)
u mean to get same AUD, u spend less RM doing RM->AUD than RM->USD->AUD?

if so, that is only normal.

if u mean cheaper the other way round, that will be something interesting... arbitrage opportunity?
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Bro,... pls help me to confirm,... I discovered an arbitrage opportunity here ! AUD will be weakening these 2 to 3 days, but after it 're-strengthened', pls allocate a few minutes to help me cfm,... tongue.gif
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post Dec 18 2016, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 18 2016, 01:18 PM)
i am starting to wonder if bnm is intervening to keep RM closer to RMB rather than USD.

since there is so much hype about RM144 bil investment to come from china.
so, u mean it is better to do RM->USD->AUD than RM->AUD?

in another thread, i mentioned i was checking if SGD->USD->RM is better than SGD->RM due to the ridiculous RM/SGD spread with the local banks.

i will post what i find tmrw. smile.gif
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Tq for helping to confirm, bro,.. maybe PM if you wished to.
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post Dec 18 2016, 09:31 PM

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Following all these, the next catalyst would be when President Trump starts work on Friday, January 20th.. Hence, effects will be seen on the following Monday, January 23rd..
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post Dec 19 2016, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 19 2016, 07:45 AM)
Im interested yo know too.  But Aussie Dillar is still hanging at 3.325 at the moment.  Not really weaking as said.  Why would the aussie ar be weaking?
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Morn bro,...

May not weaken too much against the RM, but noticeable effects against the SGD and the USD. The Parliamentary Mid-Year Review is today, and S&P is watching too. The review is expected to show negative news, and S&P will see. IF S&P lowers credit rating,... then got chance to buy the Aussie,...... But may not lower !!
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post Dec 19 2016, 02:24 PM

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Frankly,... if BNM keeps sending more and more of her foreign reserves to defend and still the USD keep hammering,... what happens ??

Exporters must convert 75% back to MYR, that's the first step.

Second step ?

Surely cannot be just continue to defend until NO MORE reserves, right ?
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post Dec 21 2016, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 21 2016, 02:32 PM)
Most funds managers are on holiday, don't expect any drastic movement until after the new year.
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In that case, we better buy up all the USDs that we can before the fund mgrs come back after their Christmas and New Year holidays and start selling down the RM again. Hopefully, during this period the RM can take the opportunity to strengthen a bit ??
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post Dec 22 2016, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 22 2016, 01:35 PM)
True to that. But we cant be converting all our money into foreign currencies. There is always a gut feeling / worry that the rm will appreciate a lot after we changed all into foreign currencies. So we have to keep in balance what we plan to do with our cash.
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The way I look at it is I am earning the RM in my everyday operational activities. Hence, the RM comes in 'continuously'. When I convert out, I am actually diversifying my currency holdings.

Even if the RM strengthens later, I will continue to get the RM into my hands from my everyday activities.
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post Dec 22 2016, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 22 2016, 04:04 PM)
Aussie dollar lowered down a bit at 3.278 now.
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Yes,....... thumbsup.gif

If we want to have more Aussies in hand, my strategy is :-

1) I convert direct from my SGD.
2) I convert into USD first from my RM.
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post Dec 22 2016, 08:02 PM

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BUT : LOOK AT THE ALL ORDINARIES AND THE S&P/ASX 200 !! THEY HAVE BEEN RISING AND RISING IN THE LAST 10 DAYS WHEN MANY OTHER INDICES ARE FALLING.

Why is this ??
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post Dec 25 2016, 01:25 PM

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For myself,.. I carry the conviction that my primary motivation would be to find a currency into which I can invest with, and to make more of that currency with,... IF I can find investment instruments which are good with that currency, then that currency would be in my radar.

After that, I will evaluate if that currency is favourable in the longer term, ie, if it will depreciate later on (eg the SGD because of a weakening economy or the MAS lowering the band), or the currency having a possibility of being pushed down due to excessive stimulus (eg the USD).

Frankly, even if I think the currency may have chances of weakening in the short term, but over the longer term, it is still promising, and THERE ARE GOOD INVESTMENT ONSTRUMENTS I CAN INVEST INTO WITH THAT CURRENCY, I will still go for it.

Eventually, the money we make from the investments will offset whatever near term weaknesses from the currency,...
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post Dec 27 2016, 11:14 AM

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An interpretation would be the moment there is capital flight back to The US, most of the sellouts are against the Ringgit compared against the other Asian currencies.

Another interpretation would be most of the loans held inside Msia are by foreigners.
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post Dec 27 2016, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 27 2016, 11:37 AM)
we know foreign ownership WAS 45-50%; no figure what it is since the sell off.

there is also bursa sell off.
besides returning to USA, the money is also being reallocated to other emerging markets - thailand, vietnam, pakistan stock markets gained well in 2016.

same with czech republic, hungary and poland in europe.

for that to happen, investors must be bullish and confident about that market, that country.

obviously, the reverse is true.
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Bursa selloff and bonds selloff would both constitute capital flight out !

Funds are being reallocated to other EMs, then this means even if there has not been such a big event as DT winning the US Elections, you mean the RM would still drop this low as it is today ? Somehow I can't fully-agree, because I noticed the main drop of the RM came after the elections.
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post Dec 27 2016, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 27 2016, 11:34 AM)
First wave of u.s qe aftershocks.
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The end of easy money, you mean ?? Now the waves will start to hit us, and the world over ??
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post Dec 27 2016, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 27 2016, 12:03 PM)
capital in and out happens all the time.

and there is ILLICIT capital flight which we hear nothing about internally and probably compounded the RM's weakness.
"money returning to USA" is more correctly "money converted back to USD".

what i read, a lot has gone into US equities on a net basis, but a lot is still in cash, in transit, working as hot funds around the globe.
next for RM.. everyone has a view.

true that the main fall is due to trump win.

question is how long does one think the resulting events and implications yet to come will be.

an equally impt question is one's view of what actions will come locally, if any, to inspire confidence or do the opposite.
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Good opinions there, bro,.... thumbsup.gif

Probably, to each his own,... but for myself, the impt questions are :-

1) how long will the RM weaken vs the other major currencies, and how far will it drop before it stabilizes ? This is with the assumption that the BNM can continue to defend the RM.
2) what will BNM do next to 'defend' the currency, eg, will it stop our funds from moving out freely ?
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post Dec 27 2016, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 27 2016, 02:53 PM)
Why bnm need to defend Myr? Petronas earning is in us$ and gomen opex is in myr. Weaken Myr mean more bang for a buck. Otherwise, bnm will need to rise bank interest rate.
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Frankly,... with the current condition of this country, what sort of increase in interest rate will attract investors back here ?? I don't think 25 bps will be enough,..

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