I thought this was clearly specified out:
And hence I do not understand the rationale of needing 10x separate topics. It is the immaturity which led to the downfall of the topic. Immaturity comes from all people religious and non religious alike. When we talk about open minds, ask ourselves are we really open minded? Or is the purpose just to get every points across while nitpicking whenever possible?

Debate comes with maturity. Some times by leaving the points as it is for people to ponder is good enough instead of keep harping on and on and trying to nitpick every single little points. There is no winning nor losing concept when it comes to open mindness; but sadly, many just wants to feel that win and hence keep on harping while a lot of bystanders just watch and laugh.

No, I don't want to see a bunch of threads where they circle jerk their own religions.

I'm pretty sure you are going to spam "If God exists, please show me some evidence that kind of thing" around that section.

It's fking annoying.

First of all, like all debater out there, we like to nitpick phrases and statement out of context.

So you do here.

When I say not debatable, I mean you don't go into the Christian community and ask why to put their faith in some non existent higher being that deem they all have sinned and the only way of redemption is to go to some specific place every Sunday.

Nor you shove this topic under the nose of these Christian, and hinting them that these thread is around and if you have no life outside of LYN, please go and reply one by one.

You get me?

It is perfectly fine for me, that a bunch of atheist to discuss this matter, even mock as much as their sarcasms allow. But please, have some mercy on those poor souls that they cannot accept the idea of no god, and keep your opinions to yourselves.

Agree to disagree is just about as hard as it can get for keyboard warriors.... oh well.
Will just end my final comments here and anyone with common sense can just browse and devour on the thoughts this topic has provided.

Why do automatically assume that ALL people who debate MUST be immature and not open minded? Isn't that a hasty generalisation?

Again, this is another hasty generalisation and an anecdotal fallacy on your part to be absolutely bias that with the mantra that "there can NEVER be open minded and mature people whenever it comes to a debate".



That is why this suggestion was made, so that instead of going into other people's fellowship of religion in their own threads, why don't we have a separate forum that allows the creation of more discussion topics instead of one generalised topic with the title of "All about religion" in the Real World Issues forum, when in fact, there are many different topics that involves religion and cannot be lumped together in a single thread? This is more of a logistic problem, and it is highly impractical to have only one generalised thread.


Why do you assume people who disagree are automatically assoicated with a "keyboard warrior"? Why do you love constantly making all of these confirmation bias with hasty generalisation that people who can type and express themselves online are ALL like that?

I certainly hope for you to reconsider my thoughts on the topic as well, nad would like you to do so WITHOUT BIAS.

"Credo quia absurdum" aka "I believe because it is absurd." (De Carne Christi 203, Tertullian)

For most believer out there, there is nothing to be debated/discussed/reasoned at all, even how much empirical evidence you show him, or how their statement lack fundamental rationale, they will go on to believe. Some time, you got to accept the fact that something is so absurd that it is only require faith to believe in such statements.

Then we have the infestation of internet bully, troll, flamer, bait-er and etc etc etc that will definitely misuse this so called religion section for their own agenda.

IMO, the chaos it promote will out weight any benefits it provides

This ne section will rather be a more of a accurate depiction of logistic nightmare, which is a dungeon infested of internet bully, troll, flamer, bait-er and etc etc etc that will definitely misuse this so called religion section for their own agenda.

There you go again, making hasty generalisations and anecdotal fallacies as if there can NEVER be people who can hold mature discussions. If your logic is indeed correct, why then, do you guys even bother allowing people to even participate in that very one, generalised thread (All about religion) in RWI? If EVERYONE is the internet bully like you have assumed, then why even bother allowing people to have a space in RWI to discuss any topics at all?

And what is the agenda that you speak of? Another assumption about people that you've never met in your life?

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 3 2016, 08:27 AM

Are you able to give an example of what is this absurd thing that the only way to go with it is to have faith for the sake of having faith in order to be consistent with reality?

There you go again, making hasty generalisations and anecdotal fallacies as if there can NEVER be people who can hold mature discussions. If your logic is indeed correct, why then, do you guys even bother allowing people to even participate in that very one, generalised thread (All about religion) in RWI? If EVERYONE is the internet bully like you have assumed, then why even bother allowing people to have a space in RWI to discuss any topics at all?

I hate to quote people that participate in the discussion, because you make me feel that you do not pay enough respect to each other in these discussion, but then here we go











We as human being are always bound by generalisation and assumptions. That's how society works.

Allow me to give you an example, you bring a gun to a bank and when the security accused you for attempting of robbery when he saw you with your gun in the bank, do you think anyone believe it when you said that you accidentally bring it in to the bank at the first place?

I understand your feeling that you are compelled "to enlighten" anybody that do not share your beliefs, but please, do it in your own space, there is no need for intrusive preachings here in a common place.

Something like god, angels, miracles, praying etc

They are so absurd that you only require faith to believe their existence.

In what way exactly I did not pay enough respect? Are you able to clarify this? Or are you making another assumption and imagining about the intentions of other people?

Appeal to tradition and appeal to popularity fallacy. Just because that's how society works with generalisations and assumptions, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS that people can never be educated on how to be BETTER with LESS generalisations and LESS assumptions.

That depends on whether I am robbing the bank. If I am not robbing the bank, why would bring a gun into the bank? And even if I bring a gun into the bank for absolutely no reason, then no matter how I am accused of robbing a bank, the law can never logically punish me for a bank I have not robbed, with the exception of me possibly breaking the law to bring a gun into the bank in the first place when there are rules clearly stated that no weapons should be allowed. Assumptions and generalisations can be made, but it does NOT mean I am, in reality, robbing a bank. In a fair, rational, and just society, I should only be arrested and charged for bringing a weapon in the bank, and not be charged for the false accusation made by the security, i.e. that I have robbed the bank.



That is why I was suggesting for a separate forum in the first place! That is why I created this thread! I created this thread in order to suggest a separate forum for all people with different faiths and all atheists and anti-theists alike to talk about religion. I did NOT say I am going to intrude into other people's space!

In fact, there's already the "All about religion" thread in RWI. I am only asking that to be expanded into a separate forum. I am NOT asking to intrude people's space. Please get that right at least.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 3 2016, 09:58 AM

Isn't then, 'faith', by its definition, irrational? Why not reject irrational beliefs?

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 3 2016, 10:00 AM

Above is what I just mentioned about nitpicking every single points.... well done for proving my points.

Will leave it as it is, as whatever I commented automatically becomes "generalization" which when one forummer says it is generalization; I guess it must be true I am generalizing.

That's why your preposition is not a good idea.

Adui. I'm really tired replying all this.
I'm out.

What you see as "nitpicking", I prefer to call it being thorough so that I do not miss any details.

No, you were generalising because you ASSUMED that ALL people are the same kind of people. Is this how you wish to justify things in life? By ASSUMING that everyone is the same on this planet Earth?

I think you may have misused the word. Here, let me show you:

The word preposition is meant for grammar purposes. Did you mean to use the word 'presupposition'? If so, you may have to clarify what is your position on the definition of faith because I was merely using your own logic on why "faith is needed".

I think the mod/staff/admin have already gave their opinion regarding this suggestion..you should take the hint and leave it as it is rather than discussing this matter "thoroughly" as you've put it.

Some people just need to learn how to accept "no" and move on with their lives. Geez...

With your logic, if someone were to do something wrong, everyone should just shut-up and accept. So the next time I see a woman getting mugged, should I also just keep quiet and ask the women to accept it and just move on?

I don't know why YOU PEOPLE LOVE to make ASSUMPTIONS, and then expect everyone to accept and keep quiet about it.

Haven't you guys learned that "ASSUME make an ASS out of U and ME"?

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 3 2016, 07:04 PM

We don't need any new religion threads where others can come in and fling poo because it's pretty clear it's not needed and that OP is a troll looking for an easy way to not get permabanned. We don't need more threads where people are trying to convert others to their viewpoints and berating others for believing in their respective religions/faiths albeit in a roundabout way. He can try to pretend that's not what he's doing but anyone with half a brain can tell from his post history