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 What to do with RM100K?, Choosing the best way to invest.

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dreamer101
post Feb 13 2007, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(billycomeback @ Feb 13 2007, 03:08 AM)
So here is my question to all the 'sifus' and gurus. What or rather How should I invest RM100k which has been accumulated over the years?

Some info:
1. RM100k in bank, normal savings account.
2. Monthly income expected to be around RM2.5K a month.
3. Monthly expenditure is expectd to be RM2.3k to 2.4k.
4. Expected savings from monthly expenditure will be low.
5. Only SPM qualification so far.
6. Planning to start family soon as well. 1 year.

How can I make this RM100k make me more money than I can earn so that can save more?

Options being considered:
1. Fixed deposit long and short term.
2. Real estate investment.
3. Unit trust.
4. Stock market speculation.
5. Start business as my own boss.
6. Invest in business as a partner.
7. Invest in education and get better job.

What do you ladies and gentleman think?
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<<6. Planning to start family soon as well. 1 year.>>

With this coming, I doubt you have much room to take risk. My advice:

1) Put 6 month to one year expense into one year FD -> 15K to 30K

2) If you are a bumi, buy ASB. If you are not, that option is out.

3) Avoid unit trust. The commission and loading is high in Malaysia. You need at least 5 years for any hope to break even. You are starting a family. So, you will need money soon.

4) Are you renting or you own a house??

5) Do you have car loan??

6) Keep the 70K in FD. Wait for stock market and housing market to crash. Buy good dividend paying blue chip stock when the market crash.

7) Start looking around where do you want to live. Wait for people to go broke and buy a house to live.

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post Feb 13 2007, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Feb 13 2007, 09:42 AM)
the 'crash' may be a 8-10 year cycle, too long for a 'wait' .  I would say wait for a correction on the stock price b4 invest.  wink.gif
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1) If you believe the "crash" is 8-10 years cycle, we are close to one.

2) Anyhow, my belief is we are close to one now.

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post Feb 13 2007, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Feb 13 2007, 10:12 AM)
U ll never know.  wink.gif  Even if it would crash this year, the down trends would take at least 1/2 year.  Then the market would go side way or further down trend for a 1-2 years before slowly climbing up at a turtle pace.  The whole process may take another 5-8 years.  Most ppl already give up by then, so its not practical to hold it for so long. yawn.gif
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Singh_Kalan,

1) Your goal is to sell stock to make money. So, you cannot hold stock for long.

2) My goal is to buy stock with high dividend yield. So, I can hold forever. I get pay every year without selling the stock.

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post Feb 13 2007, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(billycomeback @ Feb 13 2007, 10:18 AM)


The real-estate investment idea, I got it from this forum, but I have no idea whatsoever about it. Never owned my own house before, so it is in the pipeline to get a house for my family. Is it a good idea? Or should I just continue renting?


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1) Google "Rent versus Buy". You ARE NOT doing real estate investment. You are buying a house to live. So, you want to buy a house at a price that it does not cost more than your rent.

2) The best investment that you can do now is DO NOT TAKE A 9 YEARS CAR LOAN.

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post Feb 14 2007, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(luqmanz @ Feb 14 2007, 09:18 AM)
Billy, if you can amass Rm100k with an SPM qualification, you must be a hard worker.

With such quality, I recommend you to find a sales job. Rm2.5k is peanuts for excellent salesperson. This is what you want to consider selling. Be a sales agent :-

1) Stock market is doing good - Consider joining Public Mutual as unit trust agent, they dont pay you salary but commission is 2.8% - 3.1%. My senior makes  RM5k like this. He's excellent. Your target are people with EPF. Those people invest a lot. If you can get RM200,000 from EPF (this is normal), how much is the commission.

2) Ever heard of Marcus Evans ? This company sells ticket that costs a bomb. Their target are usually big companies. Commission is good and salary is minimal. IINM around Rm1.5k+ for salary and 30% commission. Tickets are like RM500 each. LOL

3) Be a computer salesperson for Dell or IBM.
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If you are good in selling, sell insurance. Insurance has the highest commission comparing to everything else. And, everyone need some kind of insurance.

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post Feb 14 2007, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Feb 14 2007, 10:14 AM)
Sorry bout that. I meant that if you bought a home, you wouldn't need to pay for rent so you'd save on 4800rm. To get 4800rm a year, and thus not need to pay for rent through your salary, you'd need (according to colorola's 4% FD) 120,000 in the bank. Furthermore, the dividend you'll get will be taxed, so that means that the chap who's renting the house to you is actually making a nice profit off you. You might want to shop about for a home yourself, but you'd have to consider the mortgage if it's applicable and all that nonsense. Try going to this other post by jasondotcom over here to which dreamer has also contributed.

I apologise if what I write doesn't make much sense but I'm lacking sleep, sorry.
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I do not use that kind of formula. The formula and system that I use according to typical rent versus buy decision is based on a very simple assumption.

Does it cost more for you to rent or buy??

So, if it cost you $4,800 to rent a house, the house need to cost you less than $4,800 per year to own. Or else, it is NOT worthwhile to buy. You may be willing to pay a bit more but not a lot more.

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post Feb 14 2007, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Feb 14 2007, 03:11 PM)
i'm considering dis too. 35% commision is very attractive. but never know wether i'm gud in selling becoz never do. haiya wat to do. no harm to try but is it worth my time to try  hmm.gif
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Mucklampir,

From my understanding, the commission is 130% to 140% of the first year premium. It is NOT 35%.

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post Feb 15 2007, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Addicted2Money @ Feb 14 2007, 08:43 PM)
There are 100,000 insurance agents in Malaysia. Most will drop out after a while.  You need to be really good at sales to make a living from insurance.

Added on February 14, 2007, 8:51 pm

To save cost ... why not just register your marriage and organise a small dinner party where only the immediate families and closest friends are invited? That's what one of my friends did. But of course, your partner and relatives might not be too happy, since the concept of face is very important in Asia.
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Addicted2Money,

Agree with you in that there is a lot of competition. But, it is the same everywhere. Can you really find any profitable job that has NO competition?? The difference here is selling insurance is actually highly profitable comparing to MLM, unit trust and so on..

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post Feb 16 2007, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(billycomeback @ Feb 15 2007, 01:09 PM)
Money isn't everything. It's a means to an end but it should never control your life.

Thanks for your advice dreamer101 and also empyreal regarding house buying. I've done some thinking as well about buying a house, it will be a hard decision but most likely will involve some kind of beneficial loans from banks which I have family working in. Still too early for that at the moment but your advice will be in my head of course. I won't increase my monthly expenditure too much just to pay for a house compared to renting a house. I'm wondering though, is it possible to pay the entire amount for the house? Is it worth it? Because if I can find a medium cost house, I might share it with a family member to pay for the entire house in full so no loans will be applied. Just wondering if it is a wise thing to do.

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<<Money isn't everything. It's a means to an end but it should never control your life.>>

Right idea!!

<<I'm wondering though, is it possible to pay the entire amount for the house? Is it worth it? Because if I can find a medium cost house, I might share it with a family member to pay for the entire house in full so no loans will be applied. Just wondering if it is a wise thing to do.>>

1) If you buy a house and pay in full, you will be audited by income tax.

2) What is medium cost?

3) Keep your money and shop around as to where do you want to live. Wait for recession or for some desperate house owner to sell house at low price.

My point is YOU WILL LOSE MONEY on the house that you bought and lived in. And, please calculate how much that is. But,

<<Money isn't everything. It's a means to an end but it should never control your life.>>

If you think if it is worth it, then you buy.

NEVER NEVER buy a house to live with an illusion that you will make money. 99% of the time, it does not work out. And, that is the problem with most people. They SPENT TOO MUCH on a house that they cannot afford. Then, they get into a debt hell that they can never get out for the rest of their life. They worked for the bank for the rest of their life to pay that house off.

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post Feb 21 2007, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(billycomeback @ Feb 21 2007, 01:59 AM)
Thanks dreamer101 for your replies.

1) So being auditied is a bad thing, am I right? Never paid any land taxes before, not sure if house is considered as well.

2) Medium cost to me would be around RM80k - RM130K. I might be willing to go up to RM150k if it is really worth it and I can source other funds from my family. But I'm trying to find something within the RM120k and below range.

3) I've thought about this and I am keeping an eye around my neighbourhood and nearby housing estate as it is where I would like to live in. Problem about desperate seller is, I'm afraid I might inherit the problems by the previous owner, like debt collectors, bad luck or even supernatural forces. I guess it come with the package.


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1) If you are audited, you need to PROVE where you get the money and why you are not paying income tax on those money.

2) Have you budget in around 30K to move into a house? Those cost include buying all the necessary appliance?? Do you have money left to do that after buying your medium cost house?

3) You can ask and do all those research before anyone is selling. That is why you survey the area for a few months and up to a few years before you buy.

Please buy as little car as possible. And, if you plan to have kids, DO NOT BUY a hatchback. You will be forced to buy a new car when you have kid.

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post Feb 22 2007, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(billycomeback @ Feb 21 2007, 09:04 PM)
1) Ahh no problem then, already proven since I worked outside the country and I'm taxed there, so I won't get taxed again in Malaysia. I've checked this once and I'm sure it still holds true, but I will check again when the time comes.

2) Regarding house renovation and such, I've only factored in about RM10K or so for some simple renovations, since most of my furniture from my rented house will be going to the new house. Of course for older homes, I would need to fork out more for renovations and paint. As this won't be my 2nd home, most of my furniture from my rented home will be reused and it should be sufficient for another 5 years or so. 

3) Yeah very true I suppose, no reason to go in blindly and inherit every problem that made the seller desperate in the first place.

Thanks for your feedback and suggestions dreamer101, I really appreciated it. I'm still driving a small car so it's no problem. Will probably upgrade it to a slightly bigger car if I start to have kids. What's wrong with hatch-backs? Too small?
Fortunately my partner is currently in a comfortable position where she works and she likes to be near her family so it has been pondered upon and the decision was that she maintains her status and I should be the one to see how I can improve my situation. If my plan backfires completely, at least she still holds a stable position for both of us as we ride out the storm.

English SPM onli leh  biggrin.gif  But thank you for your compliment. I guess it's because I speak English to everyone I know. Unfortunately my Chinese language is not on par with my English. Some people call me a 'banana'. (Yellow outside, white inside.)  sad.gif
Yeah, I believe what you say is true, for KL medium cost would be in the range of RM160k - RM300k. Thankfully my hometown is still affordable so I hope to find one nice place to live in that fits my budget.
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Billy,

1) Do you have something in black and white aka documented proof?

2) This might work

3) The home owner is desperate to sell NOT because of house problem but due to personal financial problem. Check to see whether the house has ever been flooded too.

Hatchback costs about the same as sedan but it is two doors and too small for a family. Many had bought a hatchback when they are single and think that it looks good. Then, they were forced to trade/bought a new car when they get married and have kids.

4) Sound like you have a good plan.

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