I am buying a new car and my budget is around RM42K. Help me decide on which car has the most value.

I kindda like the new saga look. The bezza and the Iriz is not an eye catcher for me. It confuses me a lot. Please Help


Proton Saga Executive CVT

1.3 litre VVT engine
94 hp at 5,750 rpm, 120 Nm at 4,000 rpm
ECO Drive Assist
Rear fog lamp
Front and rear parking sensors
Tilt-adjustable steering wheel
Single-DIN headunit with Bluetooth, USB and AUX input
USB charging ports
Height-adjustable driver’s seat
420-litre boot with space saver spare tyre
Folding rear bench seat
ISOFIX child seat anchors with top tether
Two airbags
Front seat back pockets
ABS with EBD and BA
17.8 Km/l Fuel Consumption

Perodua Myvi Standard G

1.3 litre K3-VE DVVT engine with 89 hp and 117 Nm
height-adjustable driver seat
ISOFIX child seat mounts
Tilt-adjustable steering wheel
Multi-info display with service info
Radio CD player with four speakers
Anti-snatch hook
Built-in tissue compartment
Two-motion remote control
Reverse sensors
Space-saver spare tyre
Luggage tray
16.7 km/l Fuel consumption


Perodua Bezza 1.3 Premium X MT

Audio system with USB
Handphone slot (at the rear console)
60:40 split folding rear seats
Remote boot release
Dual airbags (front passenger and driver)
ABS with EBD
Audio system with USB and Bluetooth
Handphone slot with 5V/2A USB charging port (at the rear console)
Adjustable rear seat headrests
Keyless entry and push-start
Front fog lamps
Front parking sensors
Jam protection for the driver-side power window
21.7 km/l Fuel Consuption

Proton Iriz 1.3 Standard
1.3 litre VVT engine, 94 hp/120 Nm
ABS, EBD, Brake Assist
Electronic Stability Control, Hill Hold Assist
Isofix mounts on rear seats
Seat belt reminder for front seats
Dual front airbags
Reverse sensors
14-inch alloy wheels
Silver “Proton Wings” grille
Fabric seats
Three-point rear seatbelts, 60:40 split-folding
2-DIN audio system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB
14.5 km/l Fuel Consumption

All have the same performance...
All have similar rear world fuel consumption..

Bezza and saga got boot..

But..
Only Iriz got stability control..

Iriz STD manual.....best of the bunch. Ada ESC some more.....

IRIZ GOT SUBSIDI

Bezza highest spec comes with stability control

Request for test drive, then u will know.

But Iriz is not a looker

Saga and Iriz has the best drive

Highest spec too expensive and not worth the money. Better get a persona at that range

Price?

Additional RM8k on top of TS budget just for ESC which is already available in Iriz...

For your budget, focus more on safety features than external look. U r driving inside the car most of the time compared to standing around it admiring its beauty. And its even shallow to opt for look to turn other peoples head coz no matter how hard you try...there will be haters when it comes to gauging proton cars aesthethics.



This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Nov 27 2016, 03:21 PM

Fuel consumption why have high difference between saga and iriz that share similar engine?

14.5 vs 17.8 km/l

Better refinement of the gearbox and engine plus updated ecu

For me, fuel consumption is the critical point.
If Bezza have this advantages, I will choose this.

Can anyone confirm their new Saga giving them beyond 15km/l on average? I'd be very impressed if Proton managed to create a pretty frugal car

Anyway, TS, you sound like you are liking the new Saga. If you decide to get the Saga, buy the Premium Saga, it has the ESC (very important stuff that may save your life one day).

For value for money, go for saga.

IMO;

Saga - if its truly fuel efficient, it would've gotten an EEV certification. It didn't soo......also Saga + ESC still 4 Star Asean NCAP, and you're not getting much for your money (No touch screen, no push to start, no multi info display etc)

Iriz - If can get a lot of discount, why not? It's very cheap, and be sure to get MT. Their CVT is crap. Their MT is excellent. Even the Standard has ESC. BUT, it has been known to have dashboard rattling

MyVi - too old, Bezza much more value for money

Bezza - Even without ESC still 4 star. But get the full spec Advance. 5 Star. ESC. EEV. Push to Start. Auto Start/Stop. Touch Screen HU. Miles better in equipment and safety compared to Saga/Iriz/MyVi; but hodoh abit from the back.

If I were you, I'll just go for the Bezza Advance. But if no budget for the Adv, the X also okay; still better then Saga in terms of specs (since got Push to Start, and roughly equal safety grade)

TL;DR:

Saga - No
Iriz - Maybe (Price advantage)
MyVi - No
Bezza - Yes

*Also, based on experience of owning Preve and MyVi;
Perodua - Cheaper service, less time in SC
Proton - stupid QC, expensive service

This post has been edited by axsatr: Nov 27 2016, 04:40 PM

Yeah im liking it quite a bit but im still deciding. Go check <link removed> on the fuel consumption. They have the official figures.

No...big No!

RM42k budget
Y not considered second hand Honda City

I'm old saga flx owner.
Personally feel that proton chassis is quite good within this price range.
I would suggest you go for persona 1.6. Extra 6k. But Im sure for that extra 300cc you won't regret in future.
It is a nice budget car to keep anyway.
Down side of proton is their cvt/vvt gear box technology still not that advance. The acceleration during heavy traffic jam is a bit harsh. But it is a nice car anyway.
Go for 1.6. If budget allow. It makes your driving experience better especiAlly long distance ride

then why include in the choice?

might be due to eco drive assist..
IRL it should be the same..almost...

likewise bezza wont get 21km/l...check out on fuelly...

i wouldnt consider push-to-start as a main requirement...its just for starting a car...not a big point..although nice to have..

Iriz is not a looker?

What are you smoking my son?

Im sorry but IMHO Iriz is the best looking among all the others that you stated.

Sidenote: Iriz standard no spoiler is ugly yes, its a MUST to add the 1.6 spoiler. Just add rm 150~200, or ask your SA kaotim it for you if you lazy hunt.

I reckon Proton put a lot of effort this time round with the Saga. Based on reviews from journalists, many said the Saga is surprisingly refined, with surprisingly low NVH levels even at high speed.

Surely it all depends on the priorities of the TS. What kind of driving do you do and what are your main requirements for your car?

It will help a lot if you test drive the cars you are interested in. Just show up at any dealership and they will be happy to let you test drive their cars for free. If you can spare the time, it's best to do the test drives back to back so that you can compare the cars directly.

Paultan have some good reviews of these cars. They were very impressed by the Iriz but strongly recommended the manual over the CVT. The CVT is not so good but the manual is great, according to them.

I'm having the new saga. Imo it's the best looking amongst all.

I understand that you don't see the exterior when you're driving but the proud feeling when you view your car as you walk to it. Priceless for what u pay.

Iriz is great but the rear is weird.

Bezza is only superb for its traditional auto gearbox and fuell consumption. Front is okay but that rear is just ugly. It's worst with the body kit.

Myvi is just not worth it anymore now.

Again this is my opinion and don't let it cloud your judgement much.

My saga fuel consumption is less than 11km/l in full city drive.

You can also opt for axia. Imo best looking perodua car thus far. Proportions and design are just right. It's also fuel efficient and have 4 star + abs.

This post has been edited by Imagination *-*: Nov 28 2016, 10:44 AM

Go for Saga.
P2 Bezza looks awful and unstable; uglier than Nissan Almera

myvi? maybe 3-4 years ago, now? nah.. forget about it unless u are diehard fans

bezza? maybe can scratch ur p2 itch, nothing to shout about this car. It is just a car. A to B no problem but dont ask for more. i will consider this as 3rd option

iriz? better than the two if you can bear with the cvt. good chassis, fun to drive but not practical enuf due to small boot.

new saga? best IMO among the 4 options. Practicality with proton handling,chassis and refined NVH. only the safety a let down.

I vote for the new Saga. All the reasons above my post is good enough. Don't forget, Proton cars have decent stock speakers sound quality compare to Perodua. If you like music, the new Saga is the best options.

get the new saga, the look, the features & the price. WOW, TOO MUCH WOW. ok get the new saga full spec
/thread closed

Oh and please, please test drive the car first. If you don't know yet, proton cvt has significant delay from start and attempting to over take. Even though proton has improved it in saga, it's still noticeable.

Manual version is gooding though :3

Saga Premium CVT: 45k
Bezza X: 45k

Bezza lack ESC.
Bezza gains FC, Cheaper Maintenance & Reliability (Chain vs. Belt; 4AT vs CVT; 14" vs 15" Wheels), Push-to-Start, MID

Saga lack FC, Reliability (I'm using Proton now, never again), Maintenance Cost (My last service with free labour was almost 300), Proton QC
Saga gains ESC. Reverse Camera, Steering Buttons

Both still 4-Star NCAP anyway.
Speaking of which, the AOP score for Bezza is higher than Saga.

For me personally, if someone is comparing the types of enty level cars, they're either;
a) Strapped for cash
b) Student
c) Have other priorities in life

Thus, the Bezza is better since you'll spend less money on fuel, maintanence and surely, less time in SC (My preve for now total2 dah almost 1 month in SC in 1 year, engine idling issue, still not 100% solved. Maybe it's my badluck, but my mom's myvi is 4 years and still very good, service cheap too at about 200 normal service)

It all boils down to your priorities essentially;
a) Have a better looking, yet questionable quality car
b) Have a hodoh car that will run without much issues

This post has been edited by axsatr: Nov 29 2016, 07:45 PM

ESC comes with Hill Start Assist, and Traction Control.
So, bezza didn't have those 3 items. Not only ESC.

And Bezza, no Brake Assist. Make it 4 items then.
You wont realize the importance of it, when you don't have it.

Also Seat Belt Pre-Tensioner, dont know if perodua ever comes with this safety device, they never mentioned it.

The same goes with reverse camera. To most people, it's not needed. They think.
But once you have, you'll hooked.

While its true that the fuel consumption of Bezza would be superior, but saying that its low maintenance is not really.
Regardless the belt vs chain, you wont changing it frequently. Most people only once. And its not that expensive (<RM1k).
This is just marketing gimmick by P2. It not even significant in the total cost of owning a car.

And the rim size, for 50,000km once, with difference about RM200, very insignificant.
People would appreciate if you just swap the 15 inch rims to those buying Std model (13 inch). Free swap for future money saving. Pathetic.

CVT requires longer service period than normal Torque Convertor.
As an example, CVT in Inspira/Lancer only need oil change at 100,000km.

To be fair, Bezza boot size is much2 bigger.
The overall size for Bezza is smaller, which makes smaller car but with same (if not) larger interior. Good packaging there.

Ah, Preve is real bad car. Who ever owning those, would never go to Proton again. Agree.
Somehow the maintenance should be the same. The same component. Its just that Proton SC usually adding up those unnecessary items. Cancel it out.

I guess if we're comparing mid-spec bezza to full spec saga. The saga still has it's plus points after all.

But seriously, my service is ikut buku, and it's still close to 300 (without labour too). After this seriously will never try Proton again.
I guess only saga is their good car.

Iriz and Persona pun macam banyak issue, especially on QC.

Iriz has ESC even at the lowest spec,so for safety Iriz>Bezza
Saga with ESC is 5k cheaper than Bezza,heck if I were to buy Saga Premium I would better be off with Persona Std

Saga 1075kg vs BEzza 930kg...and both have the same 94hp engine.
This is where the power to weight ratio favours Bezza.

To put it in an easier way.... Imagine driving a Bezza with 2 permanent Adults all the time sitting behind you. Thats the weight the Saga engine has to carry FULL TIME.

then imagine the 2 Adults are out of the BEzza. Thats the difference in weight between a SAGA And BEzza.

Saga 87 HP/Ton vs Bezza 101 HP/Ton ....so BEzza has more power to weight ratio. This may not mean much on paper... but when you go uphill... or overtake cars... you will feel the big difference.

This post has been edited by empire: Aug 16 2017, 04:20 PM

You have to factor in the transmission, 4AT vs CVT. CVT is king when it comes to hill climbs - While Bezza is busy shifting back and forth between 4th to 3rd and dropping in and out of the engine powerband, the Saga can put down peak torque to the wheels all the way up.

I've tested Bezza 1.3l on an uphill at Taman Segar Cheras if you are familiar with that place. It is very slow, even with the pedal to the metal literally.

Saga, better driving dynamic than Myvi. I never sit in Bezza, if it has similar suspension tuning as Myvi, it would be floaty as well. Saga is more compliance.

But if you only do city driving at slow speed rarely go over 60-70 and often take old folks parents/grandparents, Myvi/Bezza is easier to get in/out.