wd red 4tb nas how much cheapest o-O: ?

after the WD scandal making those wd red nas actually SMRs, i wouldn't trust that those random drives in the external :/

what is alternative?

seagate ironwolf?

toshiba n300?

then that wd gate



hgst got bought out by wd

they calculate how long ssd last using TBW

If the tbw is good then should be fine.

My Samsung 850 pro ssd died after 10 years. The warranty exactly 10 years. 1 month after warranty expired it died

serverpartdeals comes with a 2 year warranty and free shipping within the US. i'm also wondering the same time.

Also keep in mind serverpartdeals rep is good for this, and they even have 2 year warranty whereas other places might not for these kinds of drives or even shorter warranties which is not very reassuring.


warranty how? last time i ordered off ebay, later 1 drive had issue, cannot warranty from the western digital, cauz they said is region locked to a different country region



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 29 2024, 07:36 PM

So brazen good, finally some actual policing done. i really commend them on cracking down on these scammers. GIT EM !

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/362869/seagate-...e-kuala-lumpur/


If anyone else bought any drives and did the smart test i recommended for seagate for the farm data and u detected its not brand new. i suggest u immediately contact shopee and ask for a refund. Point them to this article as ur reason. If u wait too long, may be harder to get a refund.

Make sure u backup first though

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 19 2025, 08:57 AM

i agree, most r nubs, this why the scammer business so good

this is what i used

https://github.com/gamestailer94/farm-check


how i install, i used truenas, then pop in the hard drive. then in docker (i use dockge UI to install new docker containers), i then deploy the docker compose for this farm-check docker container app (lots of malware in fake docker pages, so confirm if the one you are using is legit or a fake loaded with malware. do ur own diligence)

then u can go to the shell for that container and run the checks. It was easy and quick.

For myself, i spotted a 4 year already used drive whos farm power on hours did not match despite the seller claiming is brand new (when clearly its not). What i did was, contact shopee and ask for refund with all the proof. And i got my refund.

In a future purchase, i bought a X18 Exos 12tb from a different seller. Price was the same as a seagate 12tb non pro. Difference is, the non pro from amazon is 3 year warranty, whereas the one i bought had 4 year warranty (STORE warranty, NOT seagate. This was CLEARLY stated in the seller page when i bought. so its not like he cheated, everything was upfront). That said i DO NOT know if this new seller will honor a warranty or not.

The PREVIOUS seller, when i ask for warranty because i found out from seagate that the drive did not qualify, so they ask me to ask from the seller. Seller claimed they were doing refund on my behalf. Wait 2 months, nothing. Basically in this case, the scammer was never going to replace drive under warranty, they just waste ur time and pretend as if they r doing something. But they did not expect me to hound them through shopee to finally get my refund.

Thats my experience, so dont fall into the same trap i did


The NEW seller is totally legit because i ran the farm check, it checked out. Power on hours tallied as 0. Meaning brand new. X18 is hardly the newest in the exos line, but for me the important part is its 12tb and is NAS certified for 24/7 and it's power on hours 0 (basically brand new condition unused). The specs also decent despite not being the latest exos. So this was a good buy for me. 4 year warranty even (the normal warranty from seagate is 5 year)


if u dont have a truenas, i suspect u can use some sort of virtual emulation to install truenas and do it from your desktop. Hook up the hard drive to your desktop pc and add it to the VM. There should be guides on youtube how to do this. It's easy as long as you follow the youtube guides. In your bios you need to enable the VM stuff.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 19 2025, 04:56 PM

curated pc shop.

is OEM, so warranty is STORE warranty. NOT SEAGATE. Everything seems upfront, its all mentioned in the store.

only thing i am unsure of is whether the store will honor warranty or not. thats the only thing i never tested.

But i can tell u my experience for warranty from a different seller which was a scammer. zero possibility of warranty. When try, they bluff, ended up wasting 1-2 months waiting for nothing.

That said so far curated pc shop seems legit. But i donno where they source their hard drives from. he says pre-order, so i am guessing drop ship?

regardless how he got them, it seems authentic and is brand new power on hours 0 (even after checking farm).

*update

someone reported this curated pc shop as scam. based on their experience i would have to agree something is dodgy about the store
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=112070035

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2025, 05:09 AM

mine successfully registered. but the seller said is store warranty. hopefully i dont have to test the warranty so far so good no dead drive from new seller.

i did a FULL check. Took many days to check the whole drive. It's legit. The test fills the whole hard drive to test it thoroughly to see any issues or not. There were none.

good thing i only bought 1 drive from them. cause i was testing the waters. but yeah that is BAD

that said the drive i got from them did check out as brand new. but if cannot replace under warranty, that is not right (ive had official seagate sourced drives die within 4 years prior. so its not rare). especially when the store says its a 4 year store warranty. u cant just say u wont replace under warranty..... so sounds like that was a lie




this part made no sense. Supplier change so what does that have to do with you? if it's store warranty, he should still honor warranty if the drive gone bad. The listed drive listed as store warranty and for how many years. It doesn't get as clear as that. So what nonsense is he now saying? that is very dissapointing. Send all the screenshots to shopee and dispute to get a refund. If he cant replace drive, he should give you a money refund. full stop.

anyway i dont accept his excuse either. its a bunch of bs. u cannot deny warranty on such flimsy basis.

Thats what i did for another seller. Eventually i got the refund after wasting time posting all the evidence



There is a small claims tribunal u can lodge a report, but i honestly would just skip that and just go straight to shopee to get your refund. It's faster and less inconvenience for you.

his supplier close down recently?.... why does the timing of this remind me of this

https://www.guru3d.com/story/hard-drive-fra...estern-digital/



could that be his source? is this guy perhaps in cahoots? maybe the police need to investigate this guy as well.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 10:54 AM

i asked AI, it said this



know your rights bru

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 11:00 AM

half?

How long did u have the drive for? mine i had it for like 3-4 (not counting the 2-3 additional months waiting for a rma that never happened) months i got a FULL refund. not partial. i got from shopee, did not bother negotiating with the seller which already was untrustworthy.

best offer? for a warranty u should have gotten to begin with? thats not right

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 11:17 AM

i dont know about amazon.com US

but for ebay, i bought a couple HGST ultrastars many years ago. When 1 of the drives went bad, i tried to get warranty but couldn't. reason? warranty covered under different region

So before you buy, make sure you can claim warranty malaysia. That is the first thing you need to ask the seller. Let us know cause i also interested

Another thing to be careful especially when buying from western digital, make sure the HDD is a CMR (NOT SMR).

wd red PLUS or Pro is the CMR, not the plain wd red afaik. so be careful and make sure u carefully check



In malaysia i tested seagate purchased from local shopee for original. 2 methods i tested. Either they come and collect from you (they send a huge truck). OR, you drive to their drop off depot to drop it off there yourself. Got a replacement both times doing that. Last time could call support center, now cannot, instead have to use live chat if you got to ask something about your warranty claim case.

So i would say seagate warranty (for official hdds) are easy and reliable. But if you buy seagate hdd through unofficial channels, seagate will be very dodgy for not wanting to let you claim warranty. e.g. if u buy seagate hdd of shopee, the HDD MAY or MAY not have proper warranty by seagate. So be very very careful who buy from

for western digital warranty not sure i haven't tried. but for seagate it didn't cost me anything to get the replacement when i requested rma. unless u did the drop off yourself then you have to pay the fuel to drive there to do that

but your issue is whether if buy from amazon us if can claim warranty malaysia. that i dont know since i never tested that before

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 15 2025, 05:08 AM

yeh thats a shame. but it works. for myself i went with 12tb rather than 10tb.

so how many you getting? 4x 10tb? for raidz1 zfs?

then what about your backup?

10/10 had some sales. did you miss it?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 15 2025, 01:36 PM

saw a 12tb western digital plus on viewnet
RM1,850.20

OOF


i saw on amazon

Seagate IronWolf 12TB NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD – CMR 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 256MB Cache for RAID Network Attached Storage (ST12000VNZ008/ST12000VN0008)

for $250

Fine details
Free international returns it says. but i think this is for UNOPENED/UNUSED. so not the same thing as warranty returns









Ok so confirmed international warranty for the seagate from amazon. So i'm assuming what this means is, if you buy from amazon the seagate drive, you can do the warranty rma process, then ship to the local drop off or request them to collect for the local rma for seagate. So no need to send to amazon, since it seems seagate rma international applies for the purchase. In case anyone wants to know.



Anyway when add to cart this is the full amount






And on the amazon site it shows




so seems it's a legit seller channel.


This is a NON pro seagate ironwolf 12tb. But for home NAS it's good enough. And for the price it's fine. If you try buy something like this on shopee, they go for rm 1.8k or roughly.





Alternative to that i saw a "TOSHIBA
N300 12TB NAS 3.5-Inch Internal Hard Drive - CMR SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 512 MB Cache - HDWG51CXZSTA" slightly cheaper and has a 512 MB cache. But i dont know how reliable toshiba nas drives are or how well their warranty claim works. Anyone know?



Western Digital 12TB WD Red Plus NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD - 7200 RPM, SATA 6 GB/s, CMR, 512 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD120EFGX this one is the most expensive between the 3 of them. But it too also has 512 MB cache.



Seagate Exos X18 12TB 7200 RPM 512e/4Kn SATA 6Gb/s 256MB Cache 3.5-Inch Enterprise HDD (ST12000NM000J) (Renewed) this goes for MYR 904.01 and seller is gohardrive on amazon. they are supposed to be a reputable seller for renewed drives. but i don't see any mention for warranty for renewed drives. For roughly the same price u can already go for that toshiba and it's brand new



red flag




Anyway the seagate amazon seller amazon/seagate is safe for warranty if you believe the comment that confirmed it. Not sure about toshiba and western digital, you have to do your own research.

Having tried seagate exos, i will stick to the seagate ironwolf non pro since it's cheaper than the exos (through legit seller channels. Sure you can get it for same price from sketchy sellers but way too risky when it comes to the condition and warranty so totally not worth it).


hopefully that helped someone. i'm also planning to order more hard drives for myself, so had to do research where to get from for cheapest.



*update

checked toshiba warranty policy, they expect you to pay for the shipping to them. not gonna buy toshiba then




reviews for the toshiba n300 if you are curious

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...18tb-hdd-review

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...tb-hdd-review/2

what it boils down to

- sure u get more cache than the seagate for a cheaper price
- but their warranty sux in comparison. i've used seagate, they charge me anything. unless u want to drop off point then u got to pay the fuel to drive there yourself. but their free collection is totally free.
- bad power efficiency
- not mentioned in the review but people mentioned it's louder than seagate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/commen...d_toshiba_n300/


so ya i won't be buying these toshibas anytime soon



now we are back to picking between the wd red plus or the seagate ironwolf non pro. the wd has more cache but cost more than seagate. not familiar with wd warranty policy but people also say wd red has lesser chance for going bad compared to seagate

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 29 2025, 07:05 PM

good point. though the guy said international seagate rma worked, no idea what country he was from. like u said, can't take for granted.

i'll try contact and see if can get clarification. ty for the reminder

i have to full wipe drives and buy new ones xd.

on the page there is an ai. i asked the question and it said this



and how do you check this if they didn't give you the serial number before you bought?




maybe possible to return within 30 days i'm assuming if you get it then check the serial and it's not covered in the seagate warranty page.


but can u do that without paying a restocking fee? i have no clue. most probably bother attempting due to the hassle


So has anyone bought from amazon and confirmed if the warranty will work over here?


ok i asked AI





too lazy to hunt the old way. so i asked ai again to find








seagate ST12000VN0007 vs ST12000VN0008?



https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threa...-vn008.1282415/





so apparently the ST12000VN0007 has a higher failure rate than the ST12000VN0008. so best steer clear of the older model and get the newer one even if it cost more



having used seagate exos before, i'm familiar now with it. Though they say may be cheaper and have a longer 5 year warranty, you have to be very mindful which exos you are getting. The X12 for EXOs is notorious for having high failure rates. I think the X18 is ok since i have that and didn't experience issues or notice any major problems for them on social. But just because they say it's cheap, doesn't mean you will be getting the X18 or newer. For all you know, you'd most likely be getting that X12 (which is bad). That's why if you do want to get an seagate exos, check which is the one you are getting


I've used seagate ironwolf non pro in past so will probably go back to that again




Anyway that 007 doesn't look good vs 008. But there 2 other options



Sell price for these 2 are RM949.99 and RM1,109.99 respectively.

Thats a few hundred RM cheaper than shopee for the 008. And they are both PRO models with a 5 year warranty. I don't think these 2 models have any outstanding issues? so i would rather buy that. Rm 1.1k is within my budget for a 12tb hard drive, and i don't have to worry about warranty.

According to AI, it's listed as a official local seagate trusted redistributor. This needs to be verified.


But when i check here i don't see them listed
https://www.seagate.com/where-to-buy/


but AI says it is... So anyway will be doing more digging before i purchase. I gave up on amazon because of the unclear warranty issue




so this is the drive i am looking at to purchase ST12000NT001. Because it's cheaper than the 008 non pro ironwolf listed on shopee. And is 5 year vs 3 year warranty. And doesn't seem to have any particular news headline for failure rates mentioned. I guess the one downside is it has a 256MB cache, whereas the WD plus 12tb has the newer 500 MB cache. But i'm mostly interested in capacity size 12tb. As it's a NAS drive for 24/7 operation and it's within my budget. The wd red plus 12tb cost Rm2.2k which is way more than ST12000NT001




https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/...neration_12_tb/


these are 7200 rpm should be. so not the quietest, but if you want performance, then 7200 rpm drive is the way to go. I've both 5400 rpm and 7200 rpm, i'm fine with either.



*update

seems for the wd red plus for 12tb there is both a 256mb and a 500mb cache, depending the model number. The one on shopee i saw was a 256mb.

on shopee they tend to trick users by selling old stock but not reduce the prices accordingly. so check carefully

https://www.westerndigital.com/en-ap/produc...d?sku=WD120EFGX



both seagate and western digital have official stores on shopee but when i checked it's all mostly sold out. At least the 12tb capacities all no stock.





Just the other day it was reported that ram prices for DDR5 were increasing. people noticed the sudden change.



Did anyone else notice this for hdds in Malaysia, wtf. Can't buy from the official store (for both wd and seagate), have to use the other stores... and their prices are jacked up


https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/...ites_the_rules/

https://www.techradar.com/pro/surging-ai-de...e-also-going-up


https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/1...r_one_year_wtf/

https://www.techpowerup.com/341015/western-...ive-immediately

https://tadviser.com/index.php/Article:Hard...(Global_Market)





This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 30 2025, 01:33 PM

got back a solid answer. This is direct from the amazon seller contact.



So yeah, don't even buy it from amazon. Cause you won't have warranty covered. Not worth it. I've owned a couple of seagates before (including those that qualify for local warranty bought from local sources) and they do die within 1-3 years. Imagine if your hard drive fail and you cannot rma...

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 30 2025, 01:42 PM

yeah... i'll wait confirmation before i even buy. got hit by too many scams already now got ptsd



by the way i also saw on their site they listed seagate exos, and from the pic it says X18. But when i saw warranty it says store warranty 3 months. already alarm bells went off. It doesn't even mention whether it is new or used. but the warranty already has me wary of this shop

And if later got dispute how to resolve? with shopee at least maybe can complain shopee. i did manage to get refund few times with that. But this is their own store website. If got problem warranty because not authorized seagate distributor then u have to go small claims tribunal route which is a headache

Thinking of buying 1 first, check the serial to see if it's as they say and covered by seagate rma. I need to buy a couple but i don't dare buy all in one shot



*update

this is what they said



not seagate warranty basically. red flags




summary, don't buy from seller who says that



*compuzone - wd red plus 12tb is RM 1499 probly for the 256mb cache version
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-red...12tb-hdd-review

cz is listed for seagate
https://www.seagate.com/where-to-buy/

for wd should be ok




on their site no listing for ironwolf 12tb, but wd red plus 12 is ok.


Anyway for 12tb hdd for use in NAS, this is the best i could find for malaysia with rma and original for as cheap as possible. Cheaper is amazon but no warranty?

Saw the toshiba N300 listed, it was cheaper still but as i mentioned prior it's an awful hdd drive. not going to touch

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 30 2025, 03:38 PM

i only asked for seagate amazon for the ironwolf page. didnt ask western digital.

but while checking AI, same language. If the source of your hard drive is from another region block, you cant claim from a different region block. So i suspect is also the same like seagate in regard. i assume>

They'll just latch onto any reason not to honor rma any chance they get.

seagate especially got more stricter for this.

for rm1.6k in malaysia you can only expect to get a 12tb ironwolf non pro or a wd red plus 12tb.

we probably have to give up buying from amazon since warranty not covered. unless you want to risk your hard drive remains fine while under the warranty duration. i can't take that chance, enough hard drives died in that warranty period

I'll be getting the WD red plus 12tb for RM 1499. Since that seems to be the cheapest local stock i could find.



AI said this



but notice unlike seagate, wd expect u to pay the shipping to send to them for replacement. for seagate they give u a label, just print out then drop in poslaju at no cost to you. maybe if u send to the shop u bought from they will do it for you, i don't know







gets better



so seems no drop off point for WD in malaysia. Seagate they do (ive been there before myself to confirm).

Shipping for the seagate is local, and they give u the label so cost u nothing for that. put the hard drive in the box u got it from, slap on the printed label, drop off at the nearest post laju office.

for WD seems u have to ship it to vietnam and u have to pay for that. How much? i dont know.


the silver lining people claim wd hard drives less chance they go bad/failure rate compared to seagate. dont know if that is true now in 2025 or not.




As for seagate they use to have a call center in india i sus, but that got shut down. It was totally useless to begin with. Now you only can contact them via live chat for rma enquiries. Seagate just fill in the rma form, submit. It shows your rma status there, and you can then also ask live chat for a status update on your rma, and get further clarification whether they come collect or you drop off yourself.




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 31 2025, 07:37 AM

see someone already tried. if got problem how to rma? dont do it