The new processors will be the Core 2 Duo E6650, E6750, E6800, and E6850. Processors with a number ending in "50" will have a 1333 MT/s FSB. The processors will all have 4 MiB of L2 cache. Their clock frequency will be similar to that of the already released processors with the same first two digits (E6600, E6700, X6800)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Conroe_2

Oic. But for example E6600 oledi got 4MB L2 cache, so the E6650 should got 8MB L2 cache???

Also how much d performance increases with new FSB1333?

Learn to read friend. those with 50 markings will have FSB 1333Mhz. Not increased cache

interesting...1333FSB,will getting easier when wanna oc...

I know dude. But for d E6320 n E6420 their L2 increase from 2MB to 4MB. Then why intel not increase d L2 cache for d rest with 50 marking?

This post has been edited by jcliew: Feb 10 2007, 08:36 AM

what else do u want.. intel does't want to increase the cache size.. beside that.. bigger cache are slower and more expensive to manufacture

If can i want free processor from Intel
Is that true higher cache capacity will slower d processor?

hint...

y do u need 4mb L2 cache.. and not 4MB L1 cache???

Not quiz now lah bro...
actually i'm not expert in processor architecture...
what the function of L1 n L2 n L3 as well???

think of it as waterfall effect.. L1 overflows to L2 overflows to L3 overflows to RAM overflows to HDD

Hehehe that would be *quite* costly to produce at the moment..

But cache size is not that critical if you are regular user, even in c2d benchies mosts apps are on par whether 2mb or 4mb...

But from what my friend tell me d L2 capacity dun affect us esp in gaming. It only show d difference where calculating Super Pi with slightly faster time count.

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Added on February 10, 2007, 9:10 amOh... like this ah? Is that u mean d highest capacity will be at the bottom?

This post has been edited by jcliew: Feb 10 2007, 09:10 AM

isn't is always like that??

the fastest memory in CPU is called the register..

small & fast cache is nearer to the core while bigger and slower is further..

with the exception of duron.. its second level is half the size of its L1 cache.. coz its exclusive cache

exclusive cache means content of L1 is not duplicated into L2.. eg

if exclusive = 128KB L1 + 256 KB L2 = 384KB effective cache or in the case of duron, its 128KB L1 + 64KB L2 = 192KB effective cache..

if inclusive = 128KB L1 + 256 KB L2 = 256KB effective cache.. of coz.. whatever reside in L1 will still be accessed quicker.



This post has been edited by jinaun: Feb 10 2007, 10:31 AM

Oh i c. Then only d Duron family is exception in this case. Thx 4 ur knowledge dude!

Since the FSB is 1333, that means you need a new mobo to support? I mean currently most mobo supports 1033Mhz right?

Suppose 1066MHz dude...

From what i know there r sum board juz need 2 update their BIOS then can support FSB1333 oledi. depends on what board lah but i'm not sure which board can be updated to support FSB1333.

Eh,how much from C2DE6650 til E6850?

He said all those processors will have 4MB L2Cache. That simply means there is no L2 increase for E6600 or other processors that already have 4MB L2 Cache.

Will the price cut again with the release of E6X50 series?

I think there will be price cut as core 2 procs nowardays oledi becum mainstream liao.

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Added on February 11, 2007, 7:56 amSince d older E6600 oledi hav 4MB L2, then i dun think d newer E6650 got any interesting point to tweak it. As u know d newer E6650 FSB is 1333MHz, with higher FSB compare 2 FSB1066MHz on E6600, d multiplier of E6650 will be lower rite? Since d E6600 n E6650 default frequency still @2.4GHz, i'm sure d older E6600 giv us more tweaking option when OCing d procs!
Furthermore d multiplier of C2D only can adjust lower n not higher.

This post has been edited by jcliew: Feb 11 2007, 07:56 AM

so what is the benefit of higher FSB?

Higher bandwidth can be achieved where communications between CPU, RAM n NB is done via FSB in intel based system.

IF providing the latencies due to straps and so forth are the same previously. That's the caveat

Hey buddy! u use difficult language...
dun get what u meant coz i'm not highly educated...

Right, some updates on these nice procs running at FSB 1333 Mhz. Not much of a speed increase but still, some increase is better than none!

Estimated price for E6850, quoted at the rumoured USD 266. Imagine how much the E6750 and E6550 will be!!!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/displ...2duo-e6850.html
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel...doc.aspx?i=3012

isit they produce this higher fsb is to make the balancing of ram Mhz???
cuz the ram mhz is higher but the proc fsb is still upgring so slow

E6550, E6750 and E6850 have higher FSB rating, does that means it is faster than other E6xxx at stock?

E6550, 333 x 7 = 2331MHz @ 2.33GHz
E6750, 333 x 8 = 2664MHz @ 2.66GHz
E6850, 333 x 9 = 2997MHz @ 3.0GHz

i guess it should be....i hope e6550 will b affortable

1333 FSB, will fully utilize DDR2-667 E6550 might be affordable, but 775 boards aren't

E6850 ~USD266
E6750 ~USD183
E6650 ~USD163

however the multiplier decrease

E6550, 333 x 7 = 2331MHz @ 2.33GHz compare to E6600, 266 x 9 = 2394Mhz
E6750, 333 x 8 = 2664MHz @ 2.66GHz compare to E6700, 266 x 10 = 2660Mhz
E6850, 333 x 9 = 2997MHz @ 3.0GHz compare to X6800, 266 x 11 = 2926Mhz

This post has been edited by arjuna_mfna: Jun 26 2007, 08:16 AM

This processor uses new stepping, G0. It seems to oc higher than FSB266 parts.

should i wait for these new proces or go ahead with the current E6600 ? Im planning to built a new rig but not sure whether to wait till the new price drop at july 22 or the new chips

If u r not desperately need a new rig then just wait until the next price cut. By that time if this new processor still within ur budget just grab it.

Don't mind the decreasing of multiplier, high FSB also great already even at stock

Wondering the price later

Planning to get the E6650 when its out..but just wondering wether my FSB1066 mobo is compatible.. ?

then it's chance for student like mu to buy c2d e6600 if the price under rm500

but the mobo still pricy like Gigabte 965P DS-3

AFAIK, mobos with FSB1066 can't support these new processors.

However, I read some where that P965 can support with BIOS updates. Unconfirm though. Anybody knows?

yap, some mobo need to update bios, just few chipset natively support 1333 FSB, nvidia 680i, 650i, intel G33 and P35... some of p965 and i975x need to update bios

This post has been edited by arjuna_mfna: Jun 26 2007, 04:48 PM

That beats the purpose........

No, mobo 965 currently unable to support the the 1333Mhz processor. Since last time I purchase the e6750, I can't operate my PC, it run well after I change to DP35DP. Little weird is this type of processor is cheaper than 1066Mhz.

Eh? Since last time is when? I thought the CPU just came out?

How the overclocking potential of your CPU? Kindly inform us!!!

p965 chipset unable to support 1333FSB? I think last time Gigabyte 965P-DS3 v3.3 can support 1333FSB already?

This post has been edited by RokXIII: Jul 15 2007, 02:36 PM

It will support the new FSB just no for Penryn.

Hi, I'll just include some screen shot from my pc for better understanding...

Thx but we know about that la. What we want is overclocking results!!!

He use Intel mobo, no way to oc lor...

OIC. Why do people use Intel mobo if it can't be overclock?

What u mean ?

Because Intel mobo cost is lower than other overclockable mobo such as Gigabyte , Asus , Biostar .. etc.
Plus I lazy to play with my jumper and no money to buy the cooler...

OIC. So sorry ya.... maybe you can get a 2nd hand mobo....

intel mobo is cheaper than asus, msi, gigabyte.
but biostar is cheaper than intel.

Heard that Intel Mobo provide more stable performance. Anyone wanna comment abt it ?

I heard that also Intel mobo is more stable than other brands... Is it because it disable the OC features, thats y more stable??

Yeah, what do you mean by that? If the mobo cannot be overclocked, then how to gauge its stability? I mean, ALL mobo will be stable at stock ma.....

If stock also not stable then consider fail product.

lol...that statement hits the nail on the head....

hey, i brought a E6850 with 3.0ghz clock speed, but at the bios screen it detect 2.6ghz only but under device manager is 3ghz is it correct?

This post has been edited by duncan880409: Aug 6 2007, 08:26 PM

It's running the EIST - Intel's power saving feature.

If you load the CPU, the multiplier will go up to 9x and your rig will run at 3.0ghz.

You can disable the EIST in BIOS.

how ?
<10 word protector..

Errrr.... what was the question again?

i think is how to disable the EIST feature...

Then what is the meaning of "<10 word protector"????

To disable EIST, go to bios, look for CPU EIST function and set it to disable.....

haha , tis forum cant post if no 10 word ma , haha just simply write lo..
ya how to disale EIST

planning to get E6750 pair up with GA-P35-DS3

get nia E6850, hahaha

Simply go to BIOS and search for CPU features setting.

E6750 pair up with GA-P35-DS3
OR
E6750 pair up with P5K

Which one better guys?
I plan to do a little bit OC, budget around 400~500 +

Both have pro and cons. But I go for the cheaper.

for P5K, at least need Deluxe version. don't go with plain version. serious vdroop. for Deluxe and Premium version, got voltage damping option, at least can reduce some vdroop problem

But my budget only 400~500+ wor..how to get P5K Delux?

Then the P35-DS3 would be a good choice for your budget.

I'm also using this mobo with the E6750. Can OC the mobo till bus speed of 480Mhz without increasing any voltages. However, I can't seem to get past 480Mhz probably due to my CPU FSB wall.

My God.... what ram you are using?
this comming PC fair i plan to buy Twin X 6400 1GB x 2 800mhz....

How far i can OC? I read some review, 3200mhz is not a problme.... set mry 1:1 400 X 8 = 3200 mgz

It's in my sig. If you want good overclocking rams, our LYN ram guy (hmmm... guess who? ) will advise you to get rams with micron D9 chipsets like the D9GKx or D9GMH ones......

Ya, 3200Mhz for the E6750 should run at stock without any problems. I've managed to OC to 3280Mhz at stock by needs higher vcore if want to OC higher.

If you OC to 3200Mhz, then it would be ok for your rams as they will be running at 800mhz also... (1:1)

This post has been edited by kmarc: Aug 7 2007, 11:07 AM

TQ.... Gigabyte har.... alot of SG ppl tell me they prefer GA then ASUS....
P35-DS3 better than P5K huh... mm....

Errr..... I don't really know whether P35-DS3 is better that P5K or not if you put them head to head. Just that through my research, I found that the P35-DS3 was a suitable for me as a value-for-money performance mobo. You should compare these 2 boards and read some review on them too!

This post has been edited by kmarc: Aug 7 2007, 11:29 AM

Sorry to ask... koko kmarc, is P35-DS3 or P35-DS3R u recommend?

Aiyooo..... so malu..... don't call me that la.....

The difference between the DS3 and DS3R is only the southbridge chipset. The DS3 is ICH9 chipset whereas the DS3R is the ICH9R chipset.

The only difference I know is that the ICH9R chipset can support RAID function for the hard-disk. Other then that, they are identical.

In addition, the DS3 is so much cheaper compared to the DS3R.

Yup...is so RM100 buck diff =_="

Hai.. now consider another one liao... GA-P35-DSR or P5K-SE
price only 20 bucks diff ....

can DS3-R run SLI? It just says FireCross..

Nope. You have to get a more expensive one like the GA-P35-DS3P.....

Really hard to decide ASUS or GIGA ... grrrrr

P5K-SE or DS3 grrrrrr

Take your time, read some reviews and see what is best for you. How much is the P5K-SE, BTW?

From PC-Zone Price LIst

P5K-SE = RM450
GA-P35-DS3 = RM415

how about Abit IP35-E it's about RM385.
How's it compare to the both listed above?

I think u should go for asus coz DS3 also for now cant make ~500FSB, dunno about P5K though but i think its better than DS3. Or just add some grab DS3-R lor.

Well.. my budget allow me to buy P5K-SE or DS3 wor ....
550 for a P5K leh... DS3R is typically the same only the bridge got a R haha.... and that will cost us another 100 buck...

i don't think i'm going for Raid in the future

Who said DS3 can't make 500mhz bus speed? A forumer had his DS3 go up to 530mhz with stock voltages (vMCH, vFSB)!!!

This post has been edited by kmarc: Aug 7 2007, 10:42 PM

Oh my bad.... i am only reading reviews, which one the forummer?

Errr... can't remember, hehe..... anyway, coolice did a short review on the P35-DS3P in the overclocking section. Look at how high the FSB went! Of course, the DS3P is better than the DS3 but I think the components are more or less the same......

i just join the family

will test with my MSI P35 Neo

Good luck oc with ur MSI P35..

Tomorrow will go PC Fair...and will join this family too with my E6750 + DS3 + GIGABYTE 8600GT

will the GC able to fit in my ARMOR?

definitely.Your's the thermaltake armor right,I think it can also fit the high end graphics cards.

Even armor Jr. will fit it.


This post has been edited by §layerXT: Aug 10 2007, 09:08 PM

thanks for the info

tomorrow will go for it ~

even 8800ULTRA also can fit in ur armor

rsangel, will peek u buying ds3 tomorrow.. Good luck on ur purchase.