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Kidicarus
post Feb 11 2007, 05:53 AM

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I'm a wow europe player so i don't expect to get the same ping as you US players. But ping after midnight has been horrible last 2 nights.

I normally ping my ventrilo server to check how fast my wow will run as both servers are located in the same place and I find that 218.111.17-18(lower numbers are usually better for me).xx usually gives the lowest latency.

PJ, SS3 btw.

I've been travelling a lot through the ASEAN region this past few weeks and i normally get pings to my vent server of about 220-270ms (that's in Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam). So i really don't see why TM can't get their act together and give us solid latency.

Tracert shows the problem is not with my exchange but further down the route. Ie.. the bottleneck is just before the packet leaves the TMnet exchange to the foreign router.

Tracing route to xx.xx.xx.xx over a maximum of 30 hops

1 112 ms 249 ms 62 ms 219.93.218.177

2 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 219.93.216.149

3 15 ms 13 ms 15 ms 210.187.133.83

4 15 ms 14 ms 20 ms 58.27.124.50

5 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms 219.93.174.67

6 420 ms 421 ms 421 ms 219.94.9.46

7 499 ms 497 ms 499 ms ge0-1.linx.lon.rapidswitch.com [195.66.224.207]

8 499 ms 483 ms 499 ms ge-2-24.pup.mer.lon.rapidswitch [87.117.214.6]

9 484 ms 497 ms 499 ms xx.xx.xx.xx

Trace complete.


Kidicarus
post Mar 8 2007, 12:42 PM

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If you want to get something done about the lag, perform tracerts and send them to streamyx. Whenever you get pings in excess of 4k, and where you get constant disconnects and lag spikes, it's pointing to lost packets. Lost packets = bad for wow.

Details on how to do the relevant tracerts can be found in the technical forums of the wow website.

A lot of the dropped packets, for me at least, are happening before it leaves routers owned by streamyx.. typically 219.94.xx.xx.

Call streamyx 1300889515 and moan to them. Get a case number after you've told them you've gone through all the usual troubleshooting BS.

Send them emails at streamyx@tm.net.my with the case number in the heading.

If i'm the only one complaining to TMnet, then they won't feel the need/pressure to do anything about it. But if more of you guys make some noise then maybe they'll actually find out what's going on and fix it.
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post Mar 9 2007, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 8 2007, 05:30 PM)
I started this thread awhile back because of the complaints about the lag and there seem to be a lot of people complaining but no overview of what was really going on throughout Malaysia. The thread was to put whatever feedback that people had about the IPs and see if other areas had the same problems

Yeah, I know that tracert but can you imagine how annoying it is having to repeat it over and over to people to do it? Come to think about it, one day I had enough, especially when people talk about lag and yet have nothing else to say except the word "lag". No IPs, no tracerts, nothing and they refuse to make their case with streamyx.

Maybe I didn't achieve this at all with the information posted up. Then again, as mentioned in the 1st post, this thread is to post up IP information and it was to try it out (to see if people find it useful). What to do with this info, well, hopefully it gives a glimpse of hope for ppl who could try redialing or it could act as a reference for them when they experience lag.

One thing that I hope this thread did was at the very least reduce the amount of postings about their lag situation.


Added on March 8, 2007, 5:36 pm

which 218 connection? some folks were reporting 218.208 as both good and bad, and that 218.111 was in the same situation.
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IMO we shouldn't have to avoid slow IP addresses. There's absolutely no reason why we should accept a shoddy service from TMnet and there should be no reason why I/we should have to keep reconnecting just for a few extra ms. We pay good money for a service which is unreliable. As customers, it is within our right to complain to tmnet to ensure that the services provided by them are running properly.

It is basically your (and that is everyone who has to suffer dropped packets and high latency) duty, if the services are not up to scratch, to make a complaint to tmnet.

This is basically a call to arms. If more of us actually make some noise then maybe we'll become loud enough for tmnet to hear.

ps. When you call them tell them to shove that stupid bandwidth test up their arses as it has absolutely no impact on latency. As a gamer I would rather have a stable low latency connection then the bandwidth.

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post Mar 9 2007, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 9 2007, 10:24 AM)
As much as I agree with you and sympathize with you on this, I'm going to have to ask you to start another thread to keep arguments to a minimum on this thread. Since I'm not a moderator, I'm asking as nicely as I think I can. smile.gif Then in that other thread, rally for all you want. For this thread, let's just keep it to IP information.

And if you're expecting it to be my duty to rally for everyone, I'm going to have to pass on that because I get frustrated easily with hitting brickheads who know the obvious answers but are not taking it. But like I said, start another thread. Or better yet, think of a way to lead the changes needed. Posting up complaints on a forum that Streamyx and Telekom will most likely not read is not going to help matters, or even calling them when their helpdesk is known not to record down case numbers or that they can't deal with all the technical details.

For everyone else, this thread is not a Call-of-Arms thread. You can head over to the Network and Broadband Users for that or until someone post up another thread in WoW.


Apologies for hijacking your thread. I am not trying to be confrontational, it's just that it's very annoying to see whine posts here which do not provide any further information. As it is, it appears that, at least in my case, the traditional reliable/fast IP ranges have been acting really strangely this past week which means that a lot of the information posted in the past can now be considered out of date.

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Also, please do not assume that I can do anything and everything. I'm a puny female, remember that. tongue.gif Thank you.
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I don't think i'm asking you to do anything, I was referring to the 'tidak apa' malaysian attitude of just whining and not doing anything proactive. If anything it's a plea to them to try to find out what the cause of their problem is and to do something about it.

And since when does being female mean you're any less capable than any of the other males we have lurking in this male dominated forum? tongue.gif

Kudos for trying to provide a useful service on this forum but wouldn't it be nice if there was no need for a thread like this?
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post Apr 28 2007, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(chc @ Apr 24 2007, 02:02 PM)
sure i got on firewall as well as antivirus, show u all something

Target Name: tw.logon.worldofwarcraft.com
        IP: 203.66.118.115
  Date/Time: 4/24/2007 2:01:25 PM

1  116 ms  [219.93.218.177]
2  17 ms  [219.93.217.21]
3  18 ms  [210.187.132.98]
4  24 ms  [203.106.128.9]
5  23 ms  [210.187.142.1]
6  23 ms  [219.93.174.147]
7  22 ms  [210.187.129.167] <----
8  718 ms  [219.93.168.250]  <----
9  721 ms  220-128-2-162.HINET-IP.hinet.net [220.128.2.162]
10  728 ms  ty-fo-c12r12.router.hinet.net [220.128.2.29]
11  719 ms  ty-fo-c76r2.router.hinet.net [211.22.39.181]
12  721 ms  [211.22.39.225]
13  720 ms  [203.66.220.133]
14  N/A      []
15  N/A      []
16  N/A      []
17  N/A      []
18  N/A      []
19  N/A      []
20  N/A      []
21  N/A      []
22  *      [-]

Destination not reached in 35 hops
Same problem here, and I've lodged my complaint with tmnet. It's the last hop just before it leaves tmnet servers that's causing the lag.

See my post on http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/448637/+20

Edit: if you're too lazy to look here's what the whois query turned up on 219.93.168.250. Use this to prove that it's not your connection to your exchange but rather a problem with the routing of tmnets data traffic. You can also use it to show that the cause is not "Inter ISP connectivity"

inetnum: 219.93.168.0 - 219.93.168.255
netname: INFRA-TMNET
descr: TMNET
country: MY
admin-c: TA35-AP
tech-c: TA35-AP
mnt-by: TM-NET-AP
status: ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
changed: hm-changed@apnic.net 20070209
source: APNIC
changed: anieayop@tm.net.my 20050629

role: TMNET IP Administrators
address: Level 17, TM Annexe,
address: Jalan Pantai Baru,
address: 50672 Kuala Lumpur.
country: MY
phone: +603-22406120
phone: +603-22402118
fax-no: +603-22402126
e-mail: ainols@tm.com.my
trouble: abuse@tm.net.my
admin-c: AS115-AP
admin-c: SM135-AP
tech-c: AS115-AP
tech-c: SM135-AP
nic-hdl: TA35-AP
mnt-by: TM-NET-AP
changed: hm-changed@apnic.net 20070209
source: APNIC


This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 28 2007, 02:02 PM
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post Apr 30 2007, 09:47 AM

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Not that strange when you consider that, those IP addresses may be what's considered their 'backbone'.

Anyway, we can conclude that it's not a 'firewall' issue.
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post May 4 2007, 09:31 PM

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you could kill them all with your beard ZOMG pew pew


 

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