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FluffyTee
post Nov 6 2016, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Nov 6 2016, 02:53 PM)
by right FPP doesnt meanĀ  able to cut queue

however,FPP runs on a separate list from normal elective cases.

and, FPP patients are fewer than non paying patients. so theres literally a shorter queue. coz you only queue with other FPP who are logically fewer than those who dont have the means to pay for FPP treatment.

therefore, in practice, FPP can get earlier treatment.
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U ve phrase it in another way.. but unfortunately it is happening.. Not all cases are elective, may i remind u. Im not making this up.

Once a hospital has "FFP" they tend to give priority to them.
I ve seen it happen everyday... Eg, the emergency OT is used for FFP patient for an abscess while another patient with acute appendicitis will have to wait until next day with the reason "No OT available", or an MRI appointment for a patient with brain tumor gets a 2month later appointment while some FFP person gets his appointment next day at 8am for an MRI spine for back pain, and all the non-ffp patient who were given 8am appointment have to wait.



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post Nov 6 2016, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Nov 6 2016, 02:32 PM)
No not that way. U r given a choice. From previous experience, u cna choose to be private or government. If private u get more say as in op date, which specialist to attend to u which specialist will do the operation. Whereas non paying will be mos or housemen seeing u, doing the operations , after discussed with said specialists.
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Thanks for the clarification. I certainly hope things stay this way.
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post Nov 6 2016, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(FluffyTee @ Nov 6 2016, 02:56 PM)
PPUM and PPUKM are considered "semi private". The patients there are also full paying patients but are not the same FFP as in the Ministry of Health hospitals. PPUM and PPUKM are also training centers for Masters and Housemenship, so patients can be attended by Specialist, MO or HO. I have not heard of such warning letters as such as it is meant for the patients to be attended by MO and HOs, Ofcoz the specialist will be monitoring them, just as in government hospitals. The only difference is these centers may have slight higher quality of treatment as their Medical Officers are usually the Selected Masters Student to be specialist in the future.

But speaking of the other hospitals that provide FFPs, there has been ALOT of time where the specialist will order the MO/HO to attend to the FFP patient first. I find this ok IF the specialist is genuinely busy (eg in the middle of surgery), but there has been times, where the specialist are just lazy. But if it is such the case, patients can provide feedback and can request to change to another specialist.
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i read this: http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1059238

so u r from purtrajaya or selayang hospitals? blush.gif

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post Nov 6 2016, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Nov 6 2016, 03:44 PM)
i agree.

i think we should penalze people who use healthcare as a result of their own foolishness.

e.g kids who ride moto and get brain injury from accident. all this should be paid by their families rather than taxpayers money.

in the meantime u all barking up wrong tree claiming docs shouldnt ask for more money.

in the UK doctors are paid so much higher ,and work so much less, but they still do protests and shit.
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Thats why kempen anti rokok and anti obesiti will not work coz rakyats know gomen hospital will b there for them cheaply 20 or 30 yrs down the road. Now can enjoy sinfood and welcome global restaurant franchise to expand here. I pity the small % rakyats who did their best to stay healthy ..but still succumb to illness n forced to gomen hospital queieing alongside those YOLO patients who never cared bout their own health during younger days.
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post Nov 6 2016, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Nov 6 2016, 02:28 PM)
So the rich will have to pay. Define rich. I don't qualify for BR1M but I can't afford private healthcare either.
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The patient has the choice to opt to pay more. By paying more, u can skip the queue.
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post Nov 6 2016, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(asd5139 @ Nov 6 2016, 02:44 PM)
partly correct. cases that need to be seen by specialist/pakar of course still be seen by them but expect huge backlog/setback. how can HO do operation kan??

it is just that i think if you have money can get faster treatment but the non peak/ holidays bit were confusing.
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Ukm we done before. Well housemen n operation, if under supervision houseman can indeed do simple procedures. Some centers housemen are required to perform c secs.
Usually paying n nons will be parallel. But many instances the specialists will aks for help on weekends , asking the registra to have a look at his private pts and will pay a small amount.
Having said that , human factors will come into play. Do u think specialists will pay the same amount of attention to both ?

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post Nov 6 2016, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(FluffyTee @ Nov 6 2016, 03:03 PM)
U ve phrase it in another way.. but unfortunately it is happening.. Not all cases are elective, may i remind u. Im not making this up.

Once a hospital has "FFP" they tend to give priority to them.
I ve seen it happen everyday... Eg, the emergency OT is used for FFP patient for an abscess while another patient with acute appendicitis will have to wait until next day with the reason "No OT available", or an MRI appointment for a patient with brain tumor gets a 2month later appointment while some FFP person gets his appointment next day at 8am for an MRI spine for back pain, and all the non-ffp patient who were given 8am appointment have to wait.
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couldn't agree more. money matters
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post Nov 6 2016, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Nov 6 2016, 02:44 PM)
i agree.

i think we should penalze people who use healthcare as a result of their own foolishness.

e.g kids who ride moto and get brain injury from accident. all this should be paid by their families rather than taxpayers money.

in the meantime u all barking up wrong tree claiming docs shouldnt ask for more money.

in the UK doctors are paid so much higher ,and work so much less, but they still do protests and shit.
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Eh...i did not say docs should be paid better....
Just thought that RM1 facility is being abused.
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post Nov 6 2016, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Nov 6 2016, 02:44 PM)
in the UK doctors are paid so much higher ,and work so much less, but they still do protests and shit.
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Here cannot apply the same concept. The dinosaur doesn't mampus yet. And politics are too fucking thick.

You will be fucked forever till achieve certain grade.
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post Nov 6 2016, 11:37 PM

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tahts why everyone should be charged at a rate which is less than ffp but higher than current charges which is absurdly low.

then we wil have less people demanding for tests which are not indicated for them, but just want to do because "they feel like it".

if we start charging say, 30% of private charges then less people would come in demanding doctor i want this and that med. and also let the meds rot , coz they paid some money for it so they might become more appreciative of what theyre given.




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post Nov 6 2016, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Nov 6 2016, 02:09 PM)
But there will be issue why nurse, Ho, MO who attend to the patient don't have kickback especially when they did all the dirty works

At least in private,  nurse have 2-3x the salary
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Lol where u get the info of nurse salary

COmpare fresh grad nursing student

Gomen - fresh grad, rm 3k include allowance.
Private - rm 1.5k-rm 1.9k basic + stingy allowance (seaside hospital helang hospital etc), from diploma to degree variant.
I have tonnes of friends got this salary even grads degree from local U or oversea U like Hongkong, Taiwan, US, etc.

Work like hel everyday OT unpaid at least 1 hour do all the shiat works, one month sure got double shift (say 6.30am until 8.30pm, of course will not end 8.30pm normall at least 9.30pm)

Friend who work in gomen hospital not KL, before work end queue to wait punch card.

that's why you will hear always lack of nurse, but seldom lack of doctor, imba psycho position in working and salary.
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post Nov 6 2016, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Nov 6 2016, 02:09 PM)
But there will be issue why nurse, Ho, MO who attend to the patient don't have kickback especially when they did all the dirty works

At least in private,  nurse have 2-3x the salary
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Where..nurse in saudi?

Nurse in private & government in malaysia almost same salary lar.
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I agreed public hospital should charge more for foreigner. I saw alot foreigner crowding in klinik kesihatan in KL Selangor.
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post Nov 7 2016, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Percival II @ Nov 7 2016, 12:00 AM)
I agreed public hospital should charge more for foreigner. I saw alot foreigner crowding in klinik kesihatan in KL Selangor.
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agreed..

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