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post Nov 6 2016, 08:34 PM

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The dashboard is too vertical.
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post Nov 7 2016, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(xxhunter @ Nov 6 2016, 11:03 PM)
when they do the wing design on iriz, many condemn say horizontal design not suitable for small cars. when toyolta, honde and fod does it its no problem top kek

apal lagi /k mau
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At year 2016 the quality standard of the the lowest model should be the new Persona, not recycle the older Saga/Savvy and make new Saga again.

Proton need to up the level of standard, not just to compete with Bezza.

They do this, and more good car at cheaper price will come.

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post Nov 7 2016, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 7 2016, 09:48 AM)
More cheaper car will come?

How is it a bad thing?

Want cheap. Go saga

Want better. Go persona

Want better. Go preve

Want more better. Go perdana

More options. More choice for consumers

What's the problem?
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Persona is supposed to be replacement for Saga in case you still donno.

But last minute decision from P1 that it's the new Persona instead.

In 2016, most people expect all cars equipped with ESC, ABS, 4 airbags as standard.

But no, this Saga dont even have ABS in the lowest specs.

From this on you should understand whats my point.

Safety is not supposed to be an option either for those who can afford or cant.

It's everyone's right. Now those who cant afford to pay more have no option but to choose the low spec no ABS variant.

Silly decision from P1.

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post Nov 7 2016, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 7 2016, 10:07 AM)
no.its not

persona is persona

the first one was sold alongside saga

this new persona is sedan version of iriz
bigger space inside

while saga remain as cheap sedan.
even the space inside is small

of course dont have abs
its cheap
what do u expect?

its like buying pizza with no topping
of course no topping,its cheap

u want abs
buy car that have abs
spend more money

no one force u to buy abs-less saga
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Nope its not. This new Persona is supposed to replace the Saga.

This info is from someone ins CoE told by himself to me.

Owh now its cheap because it dont have ABS thingy sound reasonable? LMAO.

The 2008 Saga dont even have airbags and ABS. 8 years have passed.

After that gomen forced manufacturers to equiped with 2 airbags for all cars as compulsary.

Now all cars comes with 2 airbags. And price is cheaper or almost same. They made it even in the cheapest spec.

Tell me why after 8 years still have no ABS?

Gomen need to force only want to put ABS?
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post Nov 7 2016, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 7 2016, 10:17 AM)
er...axia cheapest dont have abs
ok je lol
dont even have radio

my point is,its cheap
u want abs,pay more

they only give options
up to consumer which one to sell

if true persona suppose to replace sag
then thats dumb
persona way too expensive to be a cheap sedan
unless they can price it very cheap,

they still need saga to fill the space for "cheap sedan"
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From the start, in this thread, i never talked about Perodua or their cars. (except about Saga vs Bezza in diff context)

That's why Proton having roller-coaster ride in improvement,

Because they're not consistent.

Like, Owh P2 dont have this and that, we also can minus this and that and look our price is cheaper.

They become like this because they only look at P2 as competitor. And user are comparing P1 and P2 like you do.

This is the reason why the cant improve, they're not consistent

i want Proton to improve.

Why can't they back to Preve era, nobody expected them to put 6 airbags, ESC, ABS, EBD, TC, HFP, great handling in even a basic RM60k C segment.

Then, after that people always talked nout ESC and put it in the their personal requirement in choosing cars.

BTW this is news from India.

Malaysia bila lagi? Ke sudah ada?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/indust...ow/52544569.cms

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post Nov 7 2016, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(ashestoashes @ Nov 7 2016, 11:14 AM)
i really don't understand your point

got two option..
1. no ABS
2. with ABS

you can just choose right? doh.gif
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Thats the point. Customer should not have to choose at all. It must come in all variant.
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Nov 7 2016, 11:22 AM)
I agree. its a matter of paying more and giving options.

Expecting ALL VARIANTS to have ABS for saga is marketing failure. We all know there are Malaysians who dont fucking care about safety in car.... and one should fulfil such needs. otherwise. there will be complaint of "why basic variant so expensive. ABS is unnecessary tech LAH!! "

btw, there are hot discussion on safety in FnF section  including ABS etc etc and end up some really defended the USELESSNESS of having em... LOL.
We cant please everybody, really.
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Kek.

Pls post the link bruhh. Cant find it
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post Nov 7 2016, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Nov 7 2016, 11:28 AM)
Whoa, still got ppl here who don't care whether a car has abs or not. Amazing
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Yup bro. Amazing.

No ABS is ok as long as rm3k cheaper.

Hmm
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post Nov 7 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(ashestoashes @ Nov 7 2016, 11:35 AM)
this kind of people... later if all variants got ABS

"why why why the fucuk you not giving me the option to not have ABS!!!"
doubt he even knows what ABS does. and how useless it is to good drivers
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Hihi. My ABS kicked in on a sand-ish road before. (damn the stock tyre already almost botak) The sound of it so scary yet felt so relief hearing that before i kiss an Aphard ass. I bet u never heard that sound before ya

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Nov 7 2016, 11:38 AM)
Improving and surviving are 2 different thing altogether really.

Improving needs alot of $$$$. .and proton dunt hv much .. remember they borrowed recently.

surviving means finding the best use of $$$$$ to make something to appeals to Malaysians rich or poor , safety-conscious or not.. and faster make profit ALREADY.

I  agree though the new Perdana is NOT NECESSARY AT ALL.
I hope for safety's sake.. proton finally do Malaysians (drivers) a favor and build a tank already.
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And some people they prefer preventive than corrective

Some people, prefer kena dulu baru learn. (example of that people can be found in this thread)
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post Nov 7 2016, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Nov 7 2016, 11:51 AM)
those who say ABS not important obviously never drove a car wif ABS before, most probably still driving their old nissan sunny or proton iswara/wira
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Cant blame them 100% bro. Now 2016,2017 coming the awareness about ABS still lacking depsite a 40 years old safety tech iinm.

Let alone about ESC.

In some country no matter how cheap your car, the ABS and ESC even is mandatory.

In Msia, u know i know la
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QUOTE(ashestoashes @ Nov 7 2016, 11:58 AM)
yeah hopefully i will never hear that kind of sound... because i always keep the distance and make sure my tyres are not botak? laugh.gif.

driving safely is more important that having or not having ABS  nod.gif  problem with malaysia is drive myvi = drive porsche laugh.gif
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Sabar2, im changing my tayar to good ones next week. The tyre not fully botak. Even if the threadwear is100%, if road berpasir high chance u wont brake in time.

Keep safe distance one thing,

Emergency braking one thing,

Emergency braking is when mostly not your fault. Eg: motor suddenly switch lane cut in front of you,encountered many times edi.

I hope u aware that being a good driver alone wont guarantee escape u from an accident.

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Nov 7 2016, 12:36 PM)
wat are u talking man? since when i say i dont want to be good driver? i just say even if we are good drivers other drivers can be arseholes and cause accidents. u think u good driver then u are safe? wat if some idiot just swerve into ur lane? or fully stop in the middle of highway? or u driving on a kampung 1 lane road and suddenly a car appear in front of u cos he wan to overtake the lorry?

u think every driver will obey the law and be good drivers?? doh.gif
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Dat's why ler.

Anyway if you see Paultan's website, the comment section,

Same reaction/response about the ABS.

When people pointed that cheapest Saga dont come with ABS, and explain the importance of ABS, you can see so many people pressed the thumbs down button. Followed by butthurt comments.

This is not about blindly bashing the Proton, but rather a constructive critism, hoping for a better product from Proton.

Some people can't take it and butthurt.

We can see so many of them here.

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Nov 7 2016, 03:08 PM)
But if can afford 1st hand it should be better right? More sayang haha

Anyway milk has been spilled. Loving my saga so far (given its few issues).
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It's okay bro. Just enjoy your new car. Dont speeding. And yes, change a better tyre. biggrin.gif

The best thing about Saga manual is the low maintenance cost, and problem free. Seriously.

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Nov 7 2016, 03:59 PM)
Regretting my Suprima purchase. Sure, its a powerful car and handles well and loads of gadgets for its price, but the CVT noise and poor sound-proofing is slowly annoying and killing me... not to mention the fuel economy... god its terrible
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Donmo much bout Suprima just asking you have u change the engine mounting? The tyre is what tyre?
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QUOTE(motion_sickness @ Nov 7 2016, 05:36 PM)
uh.. just about to get suprima end of this year. not worth buying ah?
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Get a new Preve CVT or Prev manual instead of Turbo, seriiusly, they gonna stop producing the edi. Only Turbo after this. Same safety specs as the Turbo, only acceleration is a bit slow but not as bad as some people think. Less trouble and this thing gonna be a legen and limited. 56k otr. You dont need Turbo bro.

Now got discount rm5k. Go get fast bruhhh

/Racunoff

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QUOTE(NielWooWoo1205 @ Nov 7 2016, 09:26 PM)
Is it true? Then why Almari E still have an airbag?

http://www.carbase.my/nissan/almera/n17-fa.../1.5l-e-mt-2016
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Why u ask me?

As far as i concern, we are talking about Proton arent we. I comment about Nissan when there is a thread about it here
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QUOTE(NielWooWoo1205 @ Nov 7 2016, 09:39 PM)
Because you mentioned

"After that gomen forced manufacturers to equiped with 2 airbags for all cars as compulsary."
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Again. Why ask me? Ask la Nissan.

The new regulation start on 2012
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post Nov 8 2016, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Nov 8 2016, 12:51 AM)
Preve manual would be the car to get, no need pening turbocor, noisy CVT. Already Proton no RV, it being manual make it even lower RV. But that's good news if buying it used, very value for money, yet, being NA and manual, it's more reliable and cheaper to run.
This puzzled me, I was certain govt got made 2 airbags compulsory, how Tan Chong got away with it is a mystery. Until now the almera E still only single airbag.

I remember during launch, read on pauline tan, the TC top people got say 1 airbag is enough cuz Almera has tough body, topkek. Just shows the management got chinaman mentality, stingy to even give 2 airbags, but rather promote stupid Nismo bodykit.
Same thing with car seats. Many orang kite no use car seat cuz anak meraung tak nak duduk car seat. Bodo parents like that sila meninggal, I'll laugh at them padan muka if one day their kids' cacat or death preventable had only they used car seat. So much for ujian Tuhan, if and when that happens, tau pula meraung, menyesal nasi da jadi bubur, ptuih.

The Myvi killer club case, all those Mitsu Pajero occupants would probably be still alive had only all occupants belted up. But they didn't, I think the baby even tercampak keluar far from the car. That's why it's not enough to just be good driver, drive slow2. Suddenly idiot drivers come, you're not in seat belts, sia2 died not your fault at all. Why they didn't care about safety? Cuz of this very mentality ajal di tangan Tuhan la, I hate this mentality.

Every Proton topic bound to relate to talks about safety, cuz Proton do make some safe cars. So that's why it's a shame new Saga lower spec don't even have ABS.

It's absolutely unacceptable to me, die2 I'll never ever recommend anyone get non-premium specs. If too tight budget, please get used Preve, they're safer yet cheaper than brand new top spec Saga.


But then there's resistance cuz again, the mentality "Oh takpe la, ABS ke apa benda ntah tu takyah la, ajal di tangan Tuhan, takpe la." Top up rm6k kedekut, tapi if nak hella flush, pasang rim 18" (tapi use caplang brand tyres), bodykit caplang, LED strip here, sticker there, etc nonsense mampu pula. Idunwannaliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg
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Cant agree more brah

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