Finally Vega?!

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 21 2017, 01:35 PM

Seems, RX 550 and 560 is the mc of RX5xx series.

Yeah, but at tat time, Just only 1 RX550 review on youtube @@ No other choice =w=
Long video really make ppl sleep, except the day of wait for vega in streaming, but just get "VEGA is VEGA" ....

RX580 is okay lah ~
for more guarantee on max setting gaming 1080p than gtx1060? Its suit for ppl who want get new card or upgrade from old 4-5 gen.

Read in reddit before, the thread is about marketing and explain why nvidia use rebrand always, and explain the fact of amd gain < usage becoz of keep push out new technology.

Kinda feel sad tat a specialist will last shorter than a buisnessman even its a truth XD

Consumer always hope for better technology, but due to consumer always like to be spoon feed, easily mislead by marketing, and the result just as now what we get.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 24 2017, 06:43 PM

Yup, they does, but not often as much as AMD in past. One new tech occur, means need more budget.
AMD push too many new tech before, limited budget on marketing, that result most of consumer choose nvidia than ati, even nvidia is rebrand samething about 3 year?! even that time ati performance is better.
If u r a game company ceo, when u develop a game, which gpu u will priority to optimize? sure, is the more famous nvidia, even there's better performance ati.

In the time ongoing, margins of market goes to nvidia too much than ati, that cause amd budget is worse and worse.
Amd need develop both of gpu and cpu, in past, tricks of inte inl done a impact on amd as well.
Bulldozer again is a failure that made by AMD's wrong decision, all these in result, amd need to sell of their own cpu lab.

Ryzen is counted as one of big success of AMD, because this time, AMD change their method, not only in move from bulldozer to ryzen , but also invest much in marketing.
They success use a above average performance, not only in multi threading, as well in IPC, with a better the price to challange Intel.

Facebook founder wont success if without his friend done well in marketing, Microsoft wont success if bill gates fail in marketing.

Its true that technology that Nvidia sucess in Pascals, but if u look at the analysis of their marketing, there's a bid different that causes the gap between amd and nvidia, its marketing.


Stoled this price from Idealtech =w=

I'm bought all part mix new and used early, because i want get my desktop earlier since i'm back to malaysia.
Currently, I'm using lappy, and miss out nice deal of used gpu, if i buy a new unit of rx570 4gb RM950 for gaming, nexth month vega may release, its mafan to seel out and buy new one, somemore, my lost due to just used one month, counted as failure....
This my situation @@ just because i'm not urgent use pc lah... less gaming

If ur situation, u r kin to use i7 currently and didnt any trouble, u may willing to wait for vega
Why not just wait if u not urgent.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 24 2017, 10:40 PM

Agreed. But nvidia success play market with rebranding even new gen gains small performance increase in back year.

Many of new tech by amd in past not really useful due to not had be optimization use by other field, and nvidia start with marketing play well start with 8xxx era, start from that time, many games with nvidia logo www optimization also done better in nvidia.

Pascal really powerful for the moment, polaris is short lived because, nvidia backup with newer tech behind since they got lots of money for develop. Nvidia just as intel, they will use their advantage of market gain their better technology, and can counter any attack by release the newer tech.

Intel play the trick of 5% increasement per years with high price these years, becoz amd faildozer too many years XD

I hope vega can compete with polaris, but seems a bit hard, no news yet, just a dual polaris gpu @@ feel that amd not confidence to compete well, maybe reach gtx 1080 performance is AMD bottleneck?

Added:
I'm just rewatch this again properly , its good to explain, can read comment as well, more info in there.



This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 25 2017, 05:19 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/67ab7...r_amd_facebook/

Newest news : Vega will be ready in this quarter , means we can try it before end of june? =w=

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 25 2017, 03:45 AM

I saw rumor before is early of May XD if they r same answer as before, it is great that rumor of not release due to scare to nvidia is fake.

Rumos is july for volta XD

RX580 only increasement 5% performance from rx480 by power consumption increase 20%.
In US, RX580 cheaper than RX480, in malaysia RX480 dropped RM50, but RX580 expensive than RX480 bout RM200.
Roughly RM150 to get an RX580 nitro+ (Best clock speed), better top up some to Fury X which better performance or go more to used/new GTX1070.

For a 2 years old tech which rebrand, its not worth at all ....
RX580 is about 60fps to current 1080p maximum setting, after 1 or 2 years? Can it still handle?

I will go to RX570 4gb RM960 which possible chance overclock better clock speed than rx480, which only 5% performance lower, if only willing targeting on current 1080p gaming.

In conculsion, RX580 not a real sweet point.

Aftermarket 480 is oc one, need hit 1440mhz very hard.
580 is oced 480, can hit nearly 1500mhz easily.
For this line rx480/rebranded rx580, increase bit of performance by consume much more power, in result, performance/watt drops.

P/S price expensive 30% than US as New Zealand, i'm ok at all ~ because currency well... But malaysia? expensive everything and low currency = sucks

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 28 2017, 06:59 PM

This is from tweaktown (3D marks and Metro Light). Yours from tomshardware (gaming and tortune).
Tourtune test in tom's hardware result more power consumption than rx 480 nitro.

If tweaktown is true, 27w~37w increase just for a gpu is not a performace/watt choice. Anyway, the performace/watt oledi lose to gtx1060 long time ago @@

Who's right? I dunno

If there's no increase of power consumption, its great, actually, even there is increase of 30w average, wont hurt u tnb bill so much per year @@
If really willing for save tnb bill, just go to gtx 1060 @@
But still i wont happy, RM200 from nitro 480 to nitro 580, price increase 20% to get u 5% overall performance increase, 10% for game optimization.

Agreed. But i need some explain, gaming in tom's is according to what game?
Because there is quiet weird that gaming maintain almost nothisng sifferent power consumption but the tortune which is benchmark give a noticeable different.
As common, i know that a benchamrk may push a gpu as hard as possible, is it possible that the power consumption under gaming in tomb's for game which not really gpu intensive?

Actually, is it worth to have a RX580? Its depends on different ppl different need, different choice.
I feel sucks, just because of improvement performace lightly from rebrand, consume more power if utilize?, the most i care is pricey more 20%

Just for my 2 cent of logical, i may getting a used/new GTX 1070 or RM1650 fury-x over a RM1550 nitro+ RX 580.
If i'm in condition of tight budget, why not i just choose better value of nitro pulse RX570 4gb which possible oc higher clock than rx480 by oc.

AMD card power consumption varies depend on BIOS and chip binning<- this doesnt apply to nvidia as well?

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 02:29 AM

I read a comment before, the comment is against something bout a thread starter which stated that ati tflops > nvidia, its should better than nvidia => Game developer who didn't optimization is wrong.

The one who comment stated himself is one of big company game developer who if field about 20 years, admit ati is more future proof and futher tech than nvidia, but's the tflops better doesnt result better performance, due to many kind of problem, include coding which how to optimization performance of ati arch should be. Till today, they still in hard for optimization to get fully ati potential, but unfortunately, they still cannot handle well, even vulkan tech is still try getting optimization for gaming.

From analysis of several comment or review, i more to believe AMD got better arch and tech etc, hopefully their hardwork is granted, and make a real king which can compete Nvidia @@

Its kinda a sad that a gundam which more powerful but sucks OS installed XD

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 02:41 PM

But in the end, no matter how much potential gundam got, a lower performance mobile suit with supported by Dainslef kicked its ass XD
That's the cruel of reality =w= (lmiling to nvidia)

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 03:13 PM

Both video is interesting in analysis @@ love it =w= cause i also learn a bit by a bit whats going on of gpu cpu arch.

If 1st video's statement is true, then can explain why nvidia and amd gpu got a gap under ryzen, but not intel =w=

2nd video analysis effieciency of nvdia compared to step by step of ati
Its remind me somekind like painting one layer by one layer =w=

I would more prefer to latter, feel not curi malas by doing well done, but confirm that its not efficiency for current generation.

For conclusion, its not about who's arch is more future proof, its just a matter of right decision of vision in right time under right support, will result achievement.

Same as in history, that r rumors that wright brothers is not the 1st who design the plane, but they r successful make a able-flight plane.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 04:16 PM

Full load, 30w x24 x7 x52 = 262kW = 262 unit = RM 78/12 = RM 6.50 per month = ayam burger double tambah cheese
Actually is nothing big dfferent of burden for full load 365 days XD

Just because there is better efficiency of nvidia, that's why will feel dissapointed.
But as video befoe, nvidia done a really right decision of archive efficiency.@@

No, no budget enough for mining XD
Just for example which worst situation lah =w=

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 09:58 PM