It is November 2016 and the over hyped EOS M5 Full Frame Mirrorless camera will be released soon. Will this come close to Sony's full frame mirrorless?

I hike alot with my camera. Lugging around a full frame dslr, 2 lenses(full frame spec lenses that is) and a tripod is no joke. A recent failed attempt to summit during one of my hikes was due to heavy gear. A downgrade to mirrorless or crop sensor camera are my options. Really considering this M5 as it allows full use of full frame lenses if need be. But if the output is not worthy like the Sony then many more will flock the Sony brand, thus making Canon's attempt on the mirrorless line to be a failure.

Waddaya think ?

This post has been edited by shizham: Nov 2 2016, 06:34 PM

Full frame?

Haaa...EOS M5 is APS-C

I don't think Canon has any mirrorless full frame in the market yet, although they're developing one at this time.

It's funny how people keep ranting on about the advantages of mirrorless in terms of weight & size compared to DSLR, when the weight is only slightly less (e.g. A7Rii around 620g vs 6D around 770g inc batteries).
In fact, with mirrorless poor battery life, adding extra batteries to compensate that makes the total weight equivalent to DSLRs.

And even if size wise mirrorless is smaller, you can't escape the size and also the weight of good lenses.

This post has been edited by Lego Warfare: Nov 1 2016, 04:38 PM

The lightest A7 series camera is 417g. If you're going to compare, don't be biased.

770g - 417g is about 350g

I've prod around the internet and found an average of 50g each NP-FW50 battery. Which means you can carry 7 batteries before you meet that weight equivalence you speak of.

Let's say you want to keep the A7Rii in comparison. Then let's use the 5Dm4 (it's lighter than 5Dm3) at 890g.

890g - 620g is 270g, that's 5 batteries at the very least.

This post has been edited by lwliam: Nov 1 2016, 08:38 PM

I think A7Rii is heavier cause of the IBIS components in it. And that by itself is already impressive considering it is still lighter than dslr counterpart.

Battery wise, mirrorless tend to drain more cause of the digital viewfinder, but that is a compromise I'm willing to make if it meant seeing live exposure compared to dslr which you have to take guesses and lots of chimping.

And mirrorless if design properly can actually be much smaller like the RX1 despite being fixed focal.

A7 with battery is 474g. And since while we're at it, lets go all the way to include their lenses. Sony 24-70 F2.8 at 886g while Canon 24-70 F2.8 at 805g.
Total for A7 with lens : 1,360g
Total for 6D with lens : 1,575g

Lets take to account extra batteries now. On paper A7 is rated 300-400 shots per battery while 6D at around 1100 shots per battery. Assuming your battery is 50g in weight, lets add another 100-150g to the A7.
Total A7: 1460g-1510g
Total 6D: 1575g

Wow... you saved a whopping 65-115g. Congrats on your huge savings

With all the new features and tech added into newer mirrorless, the high end ones tend to get heavier (interchangeable lens type). I'm sure mirrorless has many advantages over DSLR, but at the moment size & weight is not one of them if you take into account the whole ecosystem which includes their lenses. You can't escape the size & weight of good optic lenses. Not to mention the weight distribution will be pretty darn awkward if they manage to make a 200g body carrying a zoom lens weighing 4x it's weight.

Unless you plan to go short focal length primes all the way...

This post has been edited by Lego Warfare: Nov 1 2016, 10:08 PM

I think we are diving a little into mirrorless vs dslr war here.

And lenses size is a bit of a debate and hard to compare when combined to body. Some lens tend to be bigger and heavier than the other despite having same aperture and focal because the amount of glass between the two are of different qty and design. And better quality lens tend to be higher on both. When pitting theoretical equivalent lens between mirrorless and dslr, I believe mirrorless will win in terms of bulk simply because they eliminate the chamber which store the mirror element.

But I get your argument that when comparing ecosystem as whole, that both are almost identical in terms of weight and bulk. This is partly why I don't like where Sony is heading with it's pro consumer focus by releasing heavier expensive lens and partnership with super expensive Zeiss company instead of collaborating with sigma to produce cheaper yet quality lens. It's like Sony just forgot what mirrorless is about and pitting themselves against Canon and Nikon hold on pro market a little too much.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Nov 1 2016, 10:34 PM

Well Sony is more tech oriented compared to their Nikon & Sony counterparts... their mirrorless new release turnaround time is even faster than smartphones! I'd hate to think what will happen if Sony starts delving into lenses...
But kudos to Sony for driving the photography industry and pushing others to be more competitive with their offerings. It was quite stagnant before Sony paid more attention here.

I think the point Lego is trying to get across is that overall it isn't that much of a weight advantage.

When you use models like A7, you'd want to pair it with a great lens. So the total weight isn't that far off by then, like when you pair the best 24-70 available for them.

Then factor in the number of batteries for the mirrorless system. Body like A7 would drain battery for stuff like EVF and sensor stabilization. Furthermore being a mirrorless body the battery is often more compact thus having less juice per charge.

Point is, if you've started off with an unbiased comparison, there will be no bones to be picked here.

I'm a DSLT user by the way. I not on the mirrorless bandwagon. Chill your balls.

Not to sure about that. I mean sure, it pushed canon to release eos m line but if it is that lackluster, they better off just stick with what they have been doing best. Eos M5 at first may seem like a step in right direction but that price point and almost no interest to fast tracking eos m lens line up seem to prove otherwise. Makes me feel like canon will abandon eos m like sony making A mount cam in hiatus for long time.

Dont get me wrong i really want eos m5 to succeed forcing sony to realise what consumers like me actually want in a decent "photographic" compact camera than pandering to videographer (sorry to video guys).

Right! I've been waiting for the Holy Grails of the lightest FF camera set up for years mainly for travelling. Was excited when Sony first announced FF mirrorless but after doing the maths i'm back to square one


Point is, that comparison is an example. If you wanted to make a precise comparison do it all the way since you already prod the internet.


Wasn't specifically pointing out on Canon, but the industry as a whole. Honestly Canon's mirrorless offerings are very lackluster and so far their new products are quite disappointing except for their lenses.

Excluding m43 since they dont do apsc nor FF, any other camera manufacturer offering similar apsc and ff products that deserve to be pushed? I didnt mention nikon cause they seem to hav given up. And at least canon make some progress with m line up though miss the mark.

Besides seem veer off the main topic which is about m5 so im just steering back in.

Give it up. You cant beat optical physics. Lightest FF will be RX1 or film camera.

There's Leica SL, and a few of Fuji APS-C offerings. I'd also like to think Sony influenced in some way on Hasselblad in conjuring up a mirrorless medium format lol
I think TS mistakenly named the M5. He meant the rumors that Canon will be releasing a new FF mirrorless soon, but the model name is still unknown yet.

One can always hope for a leap in technology and R&D
Maybe in the next 10-20 yrs? lol

Pretty sure TS meant M5 which will be release in Nov but mistakenly thought it as FF.

Fuji as far i remember did their own thing which is already in their own league than sony, offering classic look and more dials than sony and emphasis on good jpeg production. If anything, fuji going 4k probably a bad idea since they primarily photo first than video. Now video nerd will start down rating it cause their 4k not good enough and no cine lens i can imagine.

Well looking thru several sites led me to think that the M5 would be the FF mirrorless to be released. I hope for the best regardless of name/model. I did start of with the EPL1 >60D>D750> hopefully something with good optics and lighter system. I know i cant get the best of both worlds in this case . I cant run away from reality

even if canon release FF mirrorless, it might take them a few more years to catch up others