Full frame?

I think A7Rii is heavier cause of the IBIS components in it. And that by itself is already impressive considering it is still lighter than dslr counterpart.

Battery wise, mirrorless tend to drain more cause of the digital viewfinder, but that is a compromise I'm willing to make if it meant seeing live exposure compared to dslr which you have to take guesses and lots of chimping.

And mirrorless if design properly can actually be much smaller like the RX1 despite being fixed focal.

I think we are diving a little into mirrorless vs dslr war here.

And lenses size is a bit of a debate and hard to compare when combined to body. Some lens tend to be bigger and heavier than the other despite having same aperture and focal because the amount of glass between the two are of different qty and design. And better quality lens tend to be higher on both. When pitting theoretical equivalent lens between mirrorless and dslr, I believe mirrorless will win in terms of bulk simply because they eliminate the chamber which store the mirror element.

But I get your argument that when comparing ecosystem as whole, that both are almost identical in terms of weight and bulk. This is partly why I don't like where Sony is heading with it's pro consumer focus by releasing heavier expensive lens and partnership with super expensive Zeiss company instead of collaborating with sigma to produce cheaper yet quality lens. It's like Sony just forgot what mirrorless is about and pitting themselves against Canon and Nikon hold on pro market a little too much.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Nov 1 2016, 10:34 PM

Not to sure about that. I mean sure, it pushed canon to release eos m line but if it is that lackluster, they better off just stick with what they have been doing best. Eos M5 at first may seem like a step in right direction but that price point and almost no interest to fast tracking eos m lens line up seem to prove otherwise. Makes me feel like canon will abandon eos m like sony making A mount cam in hiatus for long time.

Dont get me wrong i really want eos m5 to succeed forcing sony to realise what consumers like me actually want in a decent "photographic" compact camera than pandering to videographer (sorry to video guys).

Excluding m43 since they dont do apsc nor FF, any other camera manufacturer offering similar apsc and ff products that deserve to be pushed? I didnt mention nikon cause they seem to hav given up. And at least canon make some progress with m line up though miss the mark.

Besides seem veer off the main topic which is about m5 so im just steering back in.

Give it up. You cant beat optical physics. Lightest FF will be RX1 or film camera.

Pretty sure TS meant M5 which will be release in Nov but mistakenly thought it as FF.

Fuji as far i remember did their own thing which is already in their own league than sony, offering classic look and more dials than sony and emphasis on good jpeg production. If anything, fuji going 4k probably a bad idea since they primarily photo first than video. Now video nerd will start down rating it cause their 4k not good enough and no cine lens i can imagine.