To me. video game titles for the current consoles are never cheap. That's why we have to choose wisely when making a purchase Pick the one with the highest replay value and also the one which could last considerably longer.

Jadilah pengguna yang bijak.

And food for thought, game devs do not earn even one cent from pirated and used game sales. If you don't support the industry, don't even complain when they can't make kick ass games anymore in the future.

Here is a simple logic:

AAA quality costs: RM100
Shitty quality costs: RM5

And you want to pay RM5 for AAA quality, that is really pushing it. If you work in a company, you work your ass off and your boss pay you like crap would you be happy? I am gonna work in a game company soon, so let me tell you this, we game developers are human too. We need money to buy food and whatever to survive too. We don't shit money out of no where...

i want to be in game company toooo. what is the requirement ? ?

Pirated yes, the developers earn nothing. But I disagree with the statement dishing used games. For a game to be sold as second hand, it has to be original in the first place, hence the developers would have already benefited. In an ideal world, i would love to keep every game, but i do need to generate funds to buy new games. Indirectly, the second hand market would also contribute to the developement of the local gaming community/scene does it not?

well I look at it this way, average price of a cd in US dollars =~ $14.00
a AAA ps3 blu-ray game =~$60

so a ps3 game costs about 4.2 times more than an audio cd over there

average cost of cd in malaysia = RM44.00
ps3 AAA title = RM 200. (being modest here)

a ps3 game costs about 4.5 times more than an audio cd here.

So yes ps3 games are expensive here

Nope. Not at all.

Shop A selling original games. Ben goes and buy 1 game. So that means the game company earn sales profit of 1 copy of game.

Situation A:
Ben sells the game to Ken. Money goes into Ben's pocket. Game company don't see 1 cent.

Situation B:
Ken buys the same game that Ben has but it's a new copy. So that means, now the game company have 2 copies of games sold.

So now, you tell me which situation profits the game company? If situation A is put into a constant loop. The game company would only have 1 copy sold regardless of the game been resold a thousand times.

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Added on December 17, 2007, 11:02 pmRegarding my post above kurtkob78's post, I am arguing the fact that people shouldn't ask so much when they don't want to pay for the full amount.

This post has been edited by Muchi: Dec 17 2007, 11:09 PM

I'm thinking this way, when we buy used game from the one who support original, he will have cash to buy a new ori title. If he dont have cash, then buy pirate cause desperate

Consumer complain of expensive price, consumer goes pirate cd.
developer complain of pirated cd, developer goes after consumer.

its all wrong. Developer should understand consumer needs and consumer needs to understand that developers need money to continue.

Solution for malaysia game scene is having a discussion of both party.

What's the difference.

Example.. Game A from Company A, because game A keeps reselling. Company A earns only from 1 copy of game sold.

So what if the guy who support ori games but he buy a new game from Company B?

It does not change the fact that Company A won't earn any money from game sales of Game A.

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Added on December 17, 2007, 11:20 pm@funnyTONE - If only it was that simple

This post has been edited by Muchi: Dec 17 2007, 11:20 PM

Modest indeed. As long as Malaysia's price for original console games (not necessary consoles but other forms of media included) do not get a fixed price like in the US 59.90 for a current gen game and much more cheaper for bargain bin ones, don't expect original media adoption rate to rise very high.

Actually if converted everything to USDm, it's not expensive... But US people pay with USD, that's why they can afford ori... We only got RM... How to survive la ori?

Haha yep. I am still waiting for the day our currency is on par with Singapore's currency

Muchi, the world is obviously in black and white for you, as such there is little point in trying to convince you the merits of a healthy second hand market is there?

This post has been edited by madmoz: Dec 18 2007, 11:44 AM

Better still if MYR 1 == USD2 then we can buy lots of game per month! But this would nvr happen unless US has some serios economic problem that cause their currency to drop but by then games in US will also be USD200++ already!

This is getting no where....
What is the point, isnt these has been discuss quite some time ago.
Why argue over sumthing thats cheap and expensive.
Malaysia emphasis, jadilah penguna yang bijak. Buy the neccesary. Spent wisely.
Product A = RmXXX, Product B = RMxx
Functionality of product A and Product B outcome the same thing.
Objective of A and B also same.
If you would to asked penguna yang bijak.
I am sure you would know the answer....
Bhahahahahah. Just my 2 Cents.

Defending the used game market, more or less is like defending the pirated game market. Everything comes down to money and affordability. Anyone who wants to argue from this point on, I don't see any point in arguing back.

I was just merely stating a fact. It certainly won't change anyone's mindset or even stop people from buying used games as well as pirated games. But I just find it amusing that some people say support original to support the industry but they support second hand market which indirectly causes harm to the industry. I just feel that some people need to know what actually happens before they think that they are doing a great deal for the industry.

At the end of the day we won't want to see the game industry die a second time would we? Remember 1983-1984? But I think not much people do know bout that? I wonder.

Oh well. Anyone can do whatever they want. Just make sure you know well off what is actually happening.

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Added on December 18, 2007, 12:28 pmI second what maintenance said

This post has been edited by Muchi: Dec 18 2007, 12:28 PM

Wow, nothing like personnel insults to get reply!
Think out of the box, dude.

I buy a whole load more games when living in Oz and the UK simply because i know that i would be able to get some money off them when I'm done. How does buying more games not benefit the industry? In this case, has a healthy second hand market not indirectly meant more of my hard earned cash going to the developers? You can argue all you want about sales figures being lower etc as second hand market sales do not directly benefit the developer, but would those who are not inclined to purchase first hand originals have opted to buy pirated copies instead? Which is the lesser of two evils?

Again i would like to highlight that the world is not in black and white. A second hand market makes gaming more affordable to the public. And, unlike piracy, there needs to be a supply of first hand originals for a second hand market to work. Being affordable means that more ppl will start going legit*. The market grows, and the developers/publishers benefit too, no?

* Selling of software is not 100% legit as for the PC you are purchasing a license and not the CD/DVD it comes in... no such ruling yet for consoles as far as i know.

I feel kinda disgusted that you lump second hand goods as being as bad as pirated goods.

Btw, unless i'm very mistaken, maintenance's post is indirectly advocating the purchase of pirated goods. As a person who pertains to want the industry to not die and is about to enter the industry itself, I question your judgement

May I dare ask, do you support originals?

This post has been edited by madmoz: Dec 18 2007, 01:12 PM

Lol, about your first two paragraphs, there is no point in arguing in that. I will just state back what I have stated before.

Two, people buy pirated and second hand stuffs because of what reason? Money and affordability. Did I say that both of them are the same in any way? No. So please, read what I have posted.

Three, I support maintenance's remark because I think that, I could play with a 29" Bomba, why I need a HDTV at the moment when it's not necessary.

Sheesh, read back all my post if you want to. And why do you think that when I say 'you' in my previous post, it's related to you? It's a generalised 'you'. Just because I quoted you, you had to be so defensive and thought I am pointing the finger at you only.

And if I don't support original why the hell would I get a PS3? Why do I not get a modded 360 or even a modded Wii?

One more thing, whether I live in a black and white world or colourful world, it matters not. It's jsut my opinion. It does not change people's mindset.



This post has been edited by Muchi: Dec 18 2007, 01:11 PM

Not lumping things together are we? Anyways, enough of this, normally it is the ori users against the pirate users, now we a re going at each other

This post has been edited by madmoz: Dec 18 2007, 01:17 PM

Bro, I know I said that. But in the end I said, it's just because of money and affordability that's all..

Argh. Hmm. Like you said, why argue against each other. Sorry then bro.

This post has been edited by Muchi: Dec 18 2007, 01:19 PM