In my mind

KTM duke 250 ABS - rm18888
SYM T2 250i - rm13388
Benelli TNT300 - rm18990
Benelli TNT25 - rm12990
kawasaki Z250SL - rm14518


http://buyasuperbike.com/product/tnt300/
http://buyasuperbike.com/product/250-duke-abs/
http://buyasuperbike.com/product/t2-250i/
http://buyasuperbike.com/product/tnt25/


Which bike is more reliable, more service center & cheaper spare parts?

other than the 4 above do you have any other to recommend?

This post has been edited by vexus: Oct 17 2016, 10:25 PM

GOD bike , yamaha R25

kawasaki 250 not in ur mind?

Please la dont buy bike with no vroom vroom sound.

Wait for new cbr250rr come. (If it ever come)

i buy bike for touring. Not vroom vroom

kawasaki z250sl fuel tank small

is ABS important for touring bike?

This post has been edited by vexus: Oct 17 2016, 09:58 PM

i prefer compact touring streetbike

Take kawa or ktm.

their is no compact in 250cc & above LOL... ...

You want to tour and don't care for the fierce sound? Cut the crap and go for the KTNS R3. Comes complete with hard luggage, ready to tour right out of the showroom unlike any of the models you mentioned.

http://www.ktn.com.my/product4.html

Tnt300 if we modify it with loud exhaust system sounds good due to it 360 degrees firing crankshaft.

some of my friend recommend kawasaki versys 650.

hermm can change the exhaust and piping if want vroom vroom sound.. but it depend on owner la, why they wanna change just for other people to hear?

if u really concern about spare parts and cheaper maintenance, so kawasaki it is..

benelli tnt300 is value for the money i would say, but it has a very bad resell value
z250 is much more better than the sl version, because it has 2 cylinder piston. kawasaki has a very good resell value and more service centers

so hodoh. prefer those kawasaki 250 yamaha 250

Sym 250i EVO. Quality good, daily ride comfort

That's like saying the BMW GS800 is hodoh.

As far as adventure looks are concerned, the KTNS R3 isn't bad at all actually. The TS did say all he cares about is the touring ability, and I say the R3 has it in spades. It rolls off the showroom floor ready to head up Chiangmai.

I'm not a big fan of fully faired race-replica wannabe parallel twins. Their hollow 250cc parallel twin sound will always mark them as wannabes. Back in the day, those who wanted the real race-rep look and feel would get the proper 4 cylinder ZXR250.

Diff ppl, diff tastes.

Why no Naza Blade TBR 250R in the list?

Looking for daily ride to office.. about 80km per day (20%city 80% highway). Any recommendation in lower maintenance and good fuel consumption? Looking at kawasaki Z250, ninja 250 and honda cbr250r.

Naza N5 (faired) not nice?

i'm planning to get kawasaki z250 too for >95% city ride....

Ninja 250, as 80% highway.

Z250 are naked, doesnt have any wind protection.

CBR250 are a single piston bike, better to have a twin piston bike for highway riding.

for 95% city ride yes Z250 is a good choice.

for reliability, service center and spare part availability, Kawasaki bro.

KTM and SYM not much on service centre part.

Benelli only have 1 official service centre, spare part non existant, and bad reliability.

i have read some comment that twin piston maintenance is higher than single piston. is it differ by alot?

just like car dohc & sohc lol

Simple maintenance, engine oil quantity differ because bigger and smaller engine although still 250cc. CBR250 use 1 litre, Ninja 250 use 2.3litre.

Other maintenance wise, 2 spark plug vs 1 spark plug, 8 valve vs 4 valve, 2 piston vs 1 piston. Stuff like that.

But seriously for highway 2 piston better then 1. More relaxing ride, not pushing the engine too hard

bike newbie here, what are the difference btw a Kawasaki Z250(21K) vs Z250SL(15K)?

why the price difference ard 6K+ for same 250cc

biker bro, can help advise

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 4 2016, 03:10 PM

cheaper on single stroke, expensive double stroke

bru, u mean z250sl is single piston while z250 is two piston?

yes.. yes it is...

I only know from earlier post > 1 piston ok for city ride; need 2 piston for more relaxing highway ride

one more question, maybe a stupid one to expert but serious to me.

does a one or two piston bike gives a different zroom zrommm sound when riding or same sound effect ?

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 4 2016, 03:55 PM

any idea on R25 and ninja 250r in term of resell value and service centre?

1 or 2 or 3 or 4 piston all gives diff notes of sound from the engine/exhaust

i won't say 2 piston would be relaxing on the highway but it does not vibrate as much as 1 piston lol.

I've rode duke 200 and I'm currently on R25 and the vibration is massive. duke 200 would make my hands numb after 30 minutes of continuous riding (around 100km/h -120km/h) while r25 i can ride for one hour or more with less numbness on my hands.

sounds? depending on ur exhaust system, some 1 piston bike sounded so good while some 2 pistons bike sounded so bad.

no u won't get the sound like the 4 inline ones... the 4 inlines sound is..... orgasmic....

ohh good that is a direct answer (in blue) to me then, thanks g3n0c, can you reckon a 4 inline 250cc bike in Malaysia. I really hope there is one out there

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 8 2016, 11:20 AM

Don't think there are any inline-4 250 already here. Long ago there was the ZXR 250 which sounder just great. Today, many bikes up to even 900cc are on twins already. Only bikes I can think of below 1,000cc with an inline-4 are the XJ6 series and the similar recond FZ6R by Yamaha and the CBR600RR by Honda...

Any other inline-4 below 1,000cc out there?

thanks for the info. seems like I am indeed a big dreamer just too envy the vroom vroom sound that comes from behind and caught frighten.

thought I can oso have a budget vroom too

a lot. cheapest now maybe XJ-6?

benelli tnt 600
kazasaki z8, zx6
yamaha r6, xj6, fz6
honda cb600, cb650
suzuki gsr750

ermmm benelli

ermm the infamous skru enjin cabut

u should listen to benelli tnt300 inline twin that sounds like idk.. not so 2 cylinder.

if it is fitted with a good aftermarket exhaust, they all can be orgasmic

yes ive thought of that before. however my purchase was influence by the way i ride the bike for long distance. i just having trust issue with the reliability of benelli thou the sound even from stock exhaust was good rather than r25. my r25 have been went and forth from kl to penang for 8-9 times since i bought it and still going great.

the only thing about 250cc on a long journey is the uneasy feeling that sometimes i did push the bike too far and yeah 250cc is just 250cc and i do have to stop often for filling the tank or because i do abuse it on the highway recklessly.

for long journey you should ride adventure/touring bike.
versys perhaps.. big tank + tall windscreen

IMHO the current top lineup would be R25 and ninja250 from kawasaki. although i would gravitate more to the R25 tho.
On the R25 power delivery is more linear from medium to top thus stable pull all through the meter to top.

Meanwhile kawasaki wins at the top end. If u do like to stay at the top end A LOT by all means go kawasaki.
if u prefer balance its a safe choice to settle for R25.

Ninja 250 or Z250 basically depends on your preference, outlook different between naked and fairing.

im not the adventure/touring bike kindda guy to be honest. i like riding my bike aggressively and for me if i were to upgrade i'll be looking for supersports bike/superbikes. i had that thought in mind for couple of months now however due to my current expenditure i have to hold the thought 1st.

xj6
z800
cbr650
tnt600
cb400
gsx750/600
r6
cbr600
zx6
etc

try Honda CB400 with VTEC.. even with a mere 400cc, because it is 4 piston n vtec.. the acceleration is outperform in most in it class, the sound is huuuuuu...

Cb400 actually not available in malaysia if im not mistaken. And the price, well lets just say i rather buy a 600cc sportsbike for that kind of amount

can buy used from singapore then.. of coz no new here.. if there is, yeah quite expensive then..

Ah that would also be a no no. Singapore bikes are a bit hassle to deal with unless u work in singapore or u frequently travel back and forth to singapore.

Actually back in the mid 90s, MSC in PJ did import quite a number of 400cc bikes including the CB400 SuperFour.

I too owned a Malaysia registered GSXR400-RR imported by MSC. Back then these bikes would set you back around RM25k-RM30k, just under the usual 600cc models at around RM40k. 750cc race reps (remember those?) went for around RM45k... and in the mid 90s, 400cc bikes were often just mini versions of the 750cc race reps. Between my GSXR400-RR and the GSXR750 W-series everything was the same, down to the Mikuni slide carbs, just smaller. It was exquisite.

The advantage of 400cc bikes is cheaper roadtax and cheap parts in Singapore. Towards 2000, tons of 400cc bikes were being scrapped in SG and you could get all kinds of used parts for very little money. I had a complete set of spare body panels and rims.

Anyway... a lot of 400cc bikes were illegally running on SG & Thai plates, so our legit 400s were very special and very rare.

Nowadays... the era of the screaming miniature 4-cylinder race replicas had long passed. Nobody even talks about them anymore.

AAAAAAANYWAY...

Some good news showed up yesterday for those who want a 250cc commuter/tourer bike but are too ashamed to ride anything related to China.

Paul Tan reported that the 250cc Kwakka X-Versys is being launched. Looks very decent, especially with a 17-litre fuel tank which should see very good range in between refuelling. Because it wears the Kawasaki badge, it will cost more than the KTNS R3... but still, a great commuter/tourer option.

But I think Kawasaki should be thankful that the local Keeway Benelli ppl are plain bloody lazy, otherwise the new Benelli TRK502 would surely tapau everything. Absolutely gorgeous adventure tourer looks and a fukking humungous cross-country 20-litre tank.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2017-kawasaki-ve...vel-bike-season

Here are more interesting 250cc - 310cc adv choices coming (if they actually come to Malaysia...)

Suzuki V-Strom 250
Kawasaki Versys 250/300 (as ZZR-Pilot mentioned)
Honda CRF 250 Rally (hmmm, wonder why they didn't outfit it with panniers)
BMW G 310 GS adventure

Could be really fun to see these qtr ltr adv bikes running around but with the economy in 'safe mode', it'll probably be tough to see any of these being introduced.

versys 650 best for touring.
I don't recommend 250 bike.

I'm riding ninja 250, the clutch & weight is puurrrfecct.
Tried friend's z250 & r25 also not as good, r25 abit light until like kapcai.
250 bike can go quite fast .. went 160kmh before but after 110kmh it feels like stressing on the bike, abit hurting. My ninja 250 consider premium 250 bike, so I doubt the list you put there is any better.

250 supersports are in the 160-180 region, limited only by gearing and rpm

R25 easily can peak 180-190 with only rpm limiter stopping you

I see, but when I reach 160 is really quite a dangerous zone already. Most people don't hit that spot even going long distance.

Ok ma

Ok ma too

got one CBR 250 rider.. always corner lipat @ sprint highway every morning.. from Cheras way to LDP..

Not sure what he want to achieve.. like chased by satan on the way to Work I guess...

Good point he wear armored jacket and full face helmet...

This post has been edited by ajaibman: Jan 12 2017, 11:33 AM

Lucky I don't ride CBR

Dem... single cylinder je kut... not exactly ninja/r25-fast...

but corner mcm randy mamola?

With Akra Exhaust to be exact...

I pity the Engine such high RPM he tahan to do his stunt..

probably tuned & remapped ECU

Pfttt 4 stroke babies.

Funny things just happen..

When I so called "comment" about the CBR...

20 Years back I was doing the same stunt in my KR150 Victor hahhaa...

Potong all the ZZR boys back then up to Bukit Tinggi..

Boys will be always be boys.. they just grow older..

Last two week I saw a personal post selling his beloved RGV 250. Oh my god when I only have 5k in my pocket. He's selling the bitch for rm17k.

he wanted to fully utilized the expensive tyres. pay so much but end up not using the sides, rugi saja.

Wow! Randy Mamola! Long tine already haven;t heard this name. I wonder who still remembers this guy

LOL Back in the day, 2-stroke bikes ruled the roads!

Randy Mamola and Eddie Lawson...

Wayne Rainey
Kevin something from Suzuki

And Doohan ...

good old 2Stroke Moto GP...

Those were all 2-stroke champions!

Me... look at my avatar...

Kevin Schwantz... only he can make Suzuki very powerful bcoz the RGV500 suited his riding style...

Kevin was special on the Suzuki. At that time, only he could make the Suzuki competitive

When Kevin retired in 1995 that's when we heard about the wind of Valentino Rossi. Well 1996 really while Doohan was in his prime winning the championship back to back. At that time we have Max Biaggi King of 250 so we all had a train of kings and a rising star starting from 125cc Rossi, 250cc Biaggi to 500cc Doohan. Too bad Doohan retired in 1999, nothing can be better with him really with all the injuries so we're left with Rossi and Biaggi battle.

Now it's like Im done with motoGP after missing the 10th world champion thanks to two Spaniatards. Now I personally ban Honda, Ducati (bad spell for rossi anyway) and anything that sponsored those two. Huhuhu

Back to 250cc 4 stroke, the sound is meh for me but I think it's a fun class because of controllable power and light weightness but because there's nothing there that pique my interest in term of cruiser (mostly because of the sound) so I made the jump to 650 band.

do long distance everyday, kl-pd morning usually hit 130-160.. oh ya i'm using r25

nice! you must be enjoying your life!
Ride safe

yup2 enjoying it~~

3 thumbs up for you bro! I also don't dare take corners at speeds you do!

planning to get ktm rc250 in april. been waiting for cbr250rr (with ABS) like forever. i also waiting for kawa versys x-250 to launch with ABS, but so disappointed that they didnt include ABS even as an option. shame on u kawa msia. im riding my bike 160km daily (back n forth) to work. fell 3 times within 5 years, all of it caused by wheel lock from sudden braking. so if u ask me if ABS is important or not. my answer will be yes, 100% important. never buy bike w/o ABS one. right now i see kawa, honda & yamaha so cheapskate to include ABS on their bike. for example, cheapest kawa with 'proper' ABS (bosch ABS) and slipper clutch is ninja 650 (38k) and the z650 (37k). im also frequently charging hard into corners, so the slipper clutch in rc250 will definitely help me to control my bike better (hard downshift / hard braking). if u compare, no other 250cc (esp jepunis brand) has advanced suspension & safety features as ktm offering. so my advice to u, either duke250 or rc250. SAFETY FEATURES MUST BE YOUR TOP PRIORITY if u intend to ride occasionally / long distance. ride safe ya

Camera effects only, actually very slow riding

R1

True about the safety features. Too bad cannot retrofit ABS as it involves the ECU as well...

If touring and 250cc, then it would be either KTNS R3 / Versys 250-X

That's insane for such an old bike.

If people think they can just plonk down RM17k and rev the tits off that ancient RGV250, they're mistaken. It's a 2-stroker, chances are by now the engine would need to taken down and rebuilt.

betul xmakan saman

seriously dude, pls do it on the track with proper gears
what's the point anyway

Got one ppl from kelantan selling thai-spec RGV 250 at Mudah for RM9.8k

Parts are very scarce I believe

http://mudah.my/view?f=p&srch=1&q=vj22&ca=...&ad_id=45110018

Well considering the legendary status, this is cheaper than NSR which is like 30k without any tax slapped on.

hi guys. Enjoy reading all the posts

By the way, Im planning to hike on z250rl soon. Kajang-KL (Jln Pahang) daily ride as Im going to be transferred soon, and car driving is out of option I guess. Is this a good choice or any other better option for 70-80km daily ride? Thanks mate

This post has been edited by kurikuraX: Feb 6 2017, 10:39 AM

z250sl?

i say get a used Z250 instead.


was considering the z250sl quite some time ago.. and after joining the FB group and reading some of the posts/comments....kinda turned me off.

only common issue is the headlamp cracking due to the bulb watt being too high....

but there are a number of owners who has complained of various problems.

1 dood even spent almost the price of the bike to get it fixed.. now gave up, and selling the bike as parts.