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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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wil-i-am
post Dec 1 2016, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 1 2016, 05:23 PM)
No balance sheet how to show provision for impairment of asset ler  rclxs0.gif

So the only thing you would see if charge to income statement for this year and last year. Actually technically if and when FGV share price goes up significantly, they can recognise an income from reversal of impairment

Quoted investments also so hard to push for impairment, unquoted lagi no need la, first have to establish the fair value of unquoted investments, then need to determine that the reduction in value is prolonged and significant. Just focus on the quoted investments enough la. Besides, the fund mandate is to invest in quoted shares, so unquoted investments really should be immaterial
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Wat I meant was in P&L, it mentioned 'rosot nilai' for quoted but silent on unquoted
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post Dec 1 2016, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 1 2016, 06:08 PM)
Means they do not make any impairment on unquoted investments, for reasons I stated earlier
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Yes, the key word is 'disebutharga'
Based on actual scenario, it's impossible for unquoted investment to stay above water during the duration of it's lifespan
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post Dec 1 2016, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 1 2016, 06:13 PM)
Is it.

I see most of the counter in asx have o and g relation.
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Tats is wat I'm discussing with dasecret right now
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post Dec 1 2016, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 06:15 PM)
Many o...

🙌

My personal record
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Congrats on your 3rd trip plus earn full mth Dividend in Dec 16
wil-i-am
post Dec 1 2016, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 1 2016, 06:30 PM)
Correct.

I highly suggest them or hope them

- try to stop the carry forward %.
- at most carry 2% not as mention of around 4%
- if the reserved balance is enough to cushion some impact like this few years, carry forward shall stop completely.
- let say if the reserved is used up. Can stop give the dividend for a year. But this will highly test the confidence of buyers...

The reason of it... Mainly they always carry foward. So I assume them they are in the control lol... And will never failed to give > 7 % pa like that they mentioned in every year. What pinkspider say some sort of correct also.. We really don't know where does the carry foward go..

This year forward 3% ( claim to give 8-9% ).same as previous year also. Where does the reserves 7 8 years ago?
If added now they should have claimed can give more than 10%...
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In accounting term, the c/f elements is known as 'reserves'
In addition, the external auditor have verified the numbers b4 sign off
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post Dec 1 2016, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 1 2016, 06:41 PM)
You missed out the key ingredient - unrealised capital gain/loss

what you are talking about is only realised profits carried forward
But what we cannot see is the unrealised profits/losses that is likely to be in huge quantum because when market is down, it impacts all of the quoted shares held by the fund
For example YTD return on KLCI to-date is -3.9%, means the shares the fund held may also be down by 3.9% this year. So the reserves from last time (realised + unrealised) would be used to cover the shortfall, and hopefully it's enough

A good comparison would be to read Tabung Haji and EPF accounts. These 2 institutions mark to market their investments, but through available-for-sale reserves. So you can see that the reserves is depleting, and in Tabung Haji's case, it's now RM3.2b negative reserve, as of 31/12/2015. Most likely even worse in 2016 given the market conditions
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I blif investor need to embrace 'unrealised portion' as long as he/she have vested int in ASx
Having said tat, the Manager can exercise the adoption of MFRS 139 at its own discretion brows.gif in order to please unit holders
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post Dec 1 2016, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 1 2016, 06:53 PM)
I know...

The paper shown never write and what they write is just superficial...

Sigh.

What follow the klci can eat tahi. Be it th kwap asx.

Arghhhh
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Hahaha.....
Now u know y ASNB can deliver 6% returns n above when our FBMKLCI returns is < 6%
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post Dec 1 2016, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 07:01 PM)
True...Malaysia in sxxxhole now...

Any idea about PM? Laughing so many new new funds this year...it's like every alternate month 😅
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I didn't follow PM lately except 1 o/s fund with them as I prefer FSM
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post Dec 1 2016, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 07:02 PM)
Ambil cuti
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U must b clearing your AL now biggrin.gif
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post Dec 1 2016, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 07:20 PM)
Was worried for the past few months on how to buy...mana tau within same day habis beli 😅

Still, this is not the only FD, though this is the biggest...ada lagi o
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U seems to have a lot of hidden reserves brows.gif
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post Dec 1 2016, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 07:22 PM)
Apart from guy3288, which I find that his purchase is extreme 😅...

Anyone else bought in large amount? Any risk of getting love letter from LHDN?
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As long as u have supporting documents together with relevant workings (in excel), u have managed the risk dy
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post Dec 1 2016, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 08:44 PM)
Yes....

But just wondering whether anyone ever get letter from LHDN. Afterall, some people fund size equivalent to buy properties cash

Last time I buy property only pay downpayment sikit sikit sudah letter come 🤕
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I can't share any experience with u as my circle of frens/relatives didn't receive any letter as of now
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post Dec 1 2016, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 08:58 PM)
Need to submit written letter explain source of money...leceh but after that no issue
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The positive side is u have hand on experience on how to handle n manage the officer from lhdn
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post Dec 2 2016, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 1 2016, 11:43 PM)
So overjoyed from today's haul until sekarang still wide awake 😬
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Your great achievements is an inspiration for Ppl out there to work harder rclxms.gif
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post Dec 2 2016, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 2 2016, 08:32 AM)
Guys, do we need to change the ASW2020 and AS1M book? 

Some banks said no need, still can use, but some banks say better change.
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If u dun intend to perform any transaction in near future, no need atm
However, if u intend to perform transaction, u have no choice but to change to new paassbook 1st
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post Dec 2 2016, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Dec 2 2016, 09:09 AM)
The push-back is still coming from the regulator ie: SC. They're probably more likely be granted an increase of fund size of an existing fund as compared to being allowed to launch an entirely new fund as the former would be smaller in terms of size as compared to the launch of a new fund which can be in billions.
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As the last resort, m happy if ASNB continue to pay yearly Dividend via additional units as unit holders can njoy 'compounding' effect
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post Dec 2 2016, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 2 2016, 10:33 AM)
If I must speculate, I understand SC's reluctance. After all they also regulate the other capital market products like VP unit trusts. So the more FP funds, the less vibrant or growth they can expect on the VP side. And it doesn't help with investors sophistication as well
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I wud look at it from another angle
Since GE14 is around the corner, most likely they will launch new FP Fund or release new units for existing FP Fund in order to ntice non-bumi voters
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post Dec 2 2016, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 2 2016, 12:06 PM)
I guess today not many topping up?
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post Dec 2 2016, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Dec 2 2016, 01:10 PM)
Got 10k today.
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QUOTE(danslater @ Dec 2 2016, 02:39 PM)
After following this forum for months and learning from the masters here, I'm happy to 'contribute back to society' by reporting in today's success of 4 digit top up for both ASM & ASW.
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Congrats on your top up activities
The setback is u will forego 1 mth Dividend in Dec 2016 for the said sum
Having said tat, u will njoy compounding effect if u dun withdraw Dividend at a later stage
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post Dec 2 2016, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 2 2016, 05:18 PM)
As in BAnk yesterday, tried to brainwash me to buy ASX VP saying 7% p.a....
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Those bank staff dun know tat price will b adjusted by same amt once VP declare dividend

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