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NaGeNaZ
post Mar 21 2007, 03:51 PM

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Damn ! Twist story here and there. Theoriticaly and Reality crap. Hate it. So what RM2.5 billion to cover entire country, go ahead. Last time goverment talk about 2 line railway from KL to Ipoh that cost RM 13 billion. Which one cheaper ? 2 line railway or WIMAX ? ITs internet more important or 2 line Railway important ? Crap..

Internet can push business to max but Ipoh-KL Double Railway only can be used to save time from KL-Ipoh by train. And how many got car to go by them self ? Do people from Sabah or Sarawak benifits from that RM 13 billion project ? Only Central citizen will used this train & again who didnt have their own transport. Crap again.. Sorry guys being emotional, the figures doesnt make sense. mad.gif


Added on March 21, 2007, 3:56 pm
QUOTE(hanky93 @ Mar 21 2007, 03:25 PM)
Hmm a bring back to earth article written by internet Father of Malaysia. Quite intrested on JARING's to bounce back with WiMAX together with SOMA? ( http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=117293 ).

BTW, I include the article for the reading below :

Towards WiMax


Till these days, hype on WiMax is never ending. I still see media reports promising 50 Mbps bandwidth for up to 70 km radius of coverage. Such performance may be possible only if there is only one user using a WiMax base station which is going to be a very expensive proposition! WiMax cannot solve all broadband problems. There are limits of what it can do. If we can get to share 20 Mbps within up to two km radius, we should be ecstatic. With such performance, to provide 20% of coverage for the whole of Malaysia (with a total land area of 330,000 sq km) it would require at least 5,000 base transmission stations (BTS). If a BTS only manages to provide good coverage within one km radius, the figure would increase to a staggering 20,000 BTS. Assuming 10,000 BTS are required and each one would cost RM 250,000, the total investment would be RM 2.5 bil (excluding the end-user devices and civil works)! With a possibility of 2 mil subscribers, the cost per subscriber would be RM 1,250. But the margin of error in the number of BTS could be as high as 100%. [Note: The above figures are for illustration only.]. Does this make sense? I leave it to the readers to ponder.


---mal
Dr Mohamed b. Awang Lah (mal@jaring.my)
Chief Executive Officer
JARING Communications Sdn Bhd

19 March 2007

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post Mar 21 2007, 04:09 PM

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Well to be fair on him he did cite that it was illustrated figures only. But I think he just want to make a point there that WIMAX is not a fairy tale technology to solve our broadband problem.

Anyway, as he involving with this ISP business longer than anyone here I pressume, his credibility on writing that article still holds for me.


QUOTE(NaGeNaZ @ Mar 21 2007, 03:51 PM)
Damn ! Twist story here and there. Theoriticaly and Reality crap. Hate it. So what RM2.5 billion to cover entire country, go ahead. Last time goverment  talk about 2 line railway from KL to Ipoh that cost RM 13 billion. Which one cheaper ? 2 line railway or WIMAX ? ITs internet more important or 2 line Railway important ? Crap..

Internet can push business to max but Ipoh-KL Double Railway only can be used to save time from KL-Ipoh by train. And how many got car to go by them self ? Do people from Sabah or Sarawak benifits from that RM 13 billion project ? Only Central citizen will used this train & again who didnt have their own transport. Crap again.. Sorry guys being emotional, the figures doesnt make sense.  mad.gif


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post Mar 21 2007, 05:31 PM

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I'm still doubting whether these things...will be successful, or just another bluff talk dry.gif..with only certain areas covered
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post Mar 21 2007, 06:36 PM

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post Mar 21 2007, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(NaGeNaZ @ Mar 21 2007, 03:51 PM)
Damn ! Twist story here and there. Theoriticaly and Reality crap. Hate it. So what RM2.5 billion to cover entire country, go ahead. Last time goverment  talk about 2 line railway from KL to Ipoh that cost RM 13 billion. Which one cheaper ? 2 line railway or WIMAX ? ITs internet more important or 2 line Railway important ? Crap..

Internet can push business to max but Ipoh-KL Double Railway only can be used to save time from KL-Ipoh by train. And how many got car to go by them self ? Do people from Sabah or Sarawak benifits from that RM 13 billion project ? Only Central citizen will used this train & again who didnt have their own transport. Crap again.. Sorry guys being emotional, the figures doesnt make sense.  mad.gif


Added on March 21, 2007, 3:56 pm
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I wouldn't go to the extent of saying that MAL's essay was all crap. In fact, he's right to a certain degree, BUT I'd read what he's written with a pinch of salt, considering that Jaring was, after all, one of the 13 bidders who failed to clench the tender. Sour grapes, one may say.

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post Mar 21 2007, 11:14 PM

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we all juz have to wait in where will the 4 comp will piggy ride on ??? sweat.gif
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post Mar 22 2007, 11:57 AM

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another wimax company
http://www.iburst.com.my/
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post Mar 22 2007, 12:01 PM

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suddenly so many???heheh
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QUOTE(husagi @ Mar 21 2007, 07:46 PM)
I wouldn't go to the extent of saying that MAL's essay was all crap. In fact, he's right to a certain degree, BUT I'd read what he's written with a pinch of salt, considering that Jaring was, after all, one of the 13 bidders who failed to clench the tender. Sour grapes, one may say.


I dare say wat was written have a lot of truth to it, to a certain extent it's Jaring experience with their Soma network. After all it is operation in same spectrum as Wimax.

Whether any choose to belief in law's of physics or media hype, I guess is left to the individual.


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post Mar 22 2007, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(GameSky @ Mar 21 2007, 05:31 PM)
I'm still doubting whether these things...will be successful, or just another bluff talk dry.gif..with only certain areas covered
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i m very sure dat tm will lose it possesion over broadband user...good news!! rclxms.gif
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post Mar 22 2007, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(chokchunynh @ Mar 22 2007, 02:41 PM)
i m very sure dat tm will lose it possesion over broadband user...good news!! rclxms.gif
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WiMAX wont solve all issues, at best, the ping will be around 200ms. You won't want to play games with that kind of ping.
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post Mar 22 2007, 06:26 PM

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wondering wat is the ping reply during the crazy raining season? biggrin.gif
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post Mar 22 2007, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Mar 22 2007, 05:59 PM)
WiMAX wont solve all issues, at best, the ping will be around 200ms. You won't want to play games with that kind of ping.
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where is ur source to gv that comment? u built wimax izit? u so sure would be like tat?
damn la...pesimistic...i didnt say its bad...im saying u are full of shit or wat but hope u show abit prove b4 gv some weird claims la....no offence alrite?

i knw for the fact is wimax can bring tmnut to their knees to offer better service n cheaper price.ok..lets hope on ppl!!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 23 2007, 10:40 PM

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no need bashing here .... well hope for the best ... juz have to wait another 2-3 yrs for the network to mature ... ehmm have to stick wz the xziting dsl for now sweat.gif
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post Mar 23 2007, 10:45 PM

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Does anybody knows this Wimax winner, MIB Comm Sdn Bhd website?
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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Mar 22 2007, 05:59 PM)
WiMAX wont solve all issues, at best, the ping will be around 200ms. You won't want to play games with that kind of ping.
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QUOTE(cropika @ Mar 22 2007, 11:03 PM)
where is ur source to gv that comment? u built wimax izit? u so sure would be like tat?

damn la...pesimistic...i didnt say its bad...im saying u are full of shit or wat but hope u show abit prove b4 gv some weird claims la....no offence alrite?
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Well, bysquashy isn't talking crap. Any wireless tech. will always have poorer network latency than copper wire. You can't defy the law of physics. Look at it this way: air < copper < fiber optic

~200ms is, IMO, the average latency for OFDM (i.e. WiMAX) to the next hop (i.e., base station), after considering user traffic and NLOS-ness (Non Line-of-Sight). It can be better than 200ms, but you'd have to be one of the handful number of users camping on the WiMAX base station AND be in LOS to it. Best case scenario should be about 50-100ms. BTW, network latency to the Internet is subject to the number of hops taken to its destination, so that may very well exceed 200ms on average.

QUOTE(Muhammad Nur Hanief @ Mar 23 2007, 10:45 PM)
Does anybody knows this Wimax winner, MIB Comm Sdn Bhd website?
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[URL=http://www. packet-1.com]http://www. packet-1.com[/URL]
(prior to the WiMAX tender, I don't think anyone has ever heard of MIB Comm... ;P)

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post Mar 25 2007, 12:02 AM

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200ms means bad la...hop alot of comp n lines to reach the intended server u mean? ok ok....but i do think they do their best to keep it low for their gaming customer also rite? i does make sense...

about 30% msia internet user are on9 gamers i presume....i guess only. so wit tat in mind...i think they will bring it down..
so it all backs to basic...do wats needed...
ok thx husagi..brighten up my knowledge abit
im actually a medical student...dunno much bout techy stuff but i did hardware technical on pc b4...
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QUOTE(cropika @ Mar 22 2007, 11:03 PM)
where is ur source to gv that comment? u built wimax izit? u so sure would be like tat?
damn la...pesimistic...i didnt say its bad...im saying u are full of shit or wat but hope u show abit prove b4 gv some weird claims la....no offence alrite?

i knw for the fact is wimax can bring tmnut to their knees to offer better service n cheaper price.ok..lets hope on ppl!!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Guess what, you are partly correct smile.gif

QUOTE(husagi @ Mar 24 2007, 11:36 PM)
Well, bysquashy isn't talking crap. Any wireless tech. will always have poorer network latency than copper wire. You can't defy the law of physics. Look at it this way: air < copper < fiber optic

~200ms is, IMO, the average latency for OFDM (i.e. WiMAX) to the next hop (i.e., base station), after considering user traffic and NLOS-ness (Non Line-of-Sight). It can be better than 200ms, but you'd have to be one of the handful number of users camping on the WiMAX base station AND be in LOS to it. Best case scenario should be about 50-100ms. BTW, network latency to the Internet is subject to the number of hops taken to its destination, so that may very well exceed 200ms on average.

[URL=http://www. packet-1.com]http://www. packet-1.com[/URL]
(prior to the WiMAX tender, I don't think anyone has ever heard of MIB Comm... ;P)
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We tested with the current equipment, 1 AP to 1 CPE indoors, the latency is ~250ms. I'm not saying that technology won't improve, but this is my 1st hand exp.

This post has been edited by bysquashy: Mar 25 2007, 10:30 AM
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post Mar 25 2007, 12:29 AM

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but im stil in the blur state...this wimax run in 2.3ghz spectrum with 802.1a/b/g rite? so our normal laptop wit wifi capability could jus detect it n connect la...if i wan to get those extra usb extension antenna thinggy...need to buy la?
since u r wimax technical ppl....
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got to improve the backbone first laa. of course the backbone are TM.

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