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post Nov 3 2016, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 3 2016, 01:53 AM)
Navy guna duit sendiri
so Air Force if want then guna duit sendiri also la haha

wait RMA is what?
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Tabung derma mmrca. tongue.gif
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post Nov 3 2016, 06:15 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Nov 3 2016, 05:55 AM)
its just a marketing agreement but then again boustead literally got monopoly on msian naval shipbuilding industry
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I think it would be extremely difficult for us to have 2 naval shipbuilding.
We dun have the means to support it unless suddenly government massive built up the navy fleet. laugh.gif
I would be hard for us to export it as well.
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post Nov 3 2016, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 3 2016, 09:30 AM)
royal malaysia army ....
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post Nov 3 2016, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 3 2016, 12:24 PM)
Around half price of pt91m.

Not tat cheap as well in comparison the 105mm gun is more toward ifv and support role and hardly will dent any mordern mbt.

But if it can be used in Indonesia, surely can be used also in malaysia give our terrain and road are quite  similar
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Cv90 120t more gooding.
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post Nov 3 2016, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 3 2016, 12:17 PM)
Gee how much did our fuckin Gempita cost again? bangwall.gif
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Our gempita ofc expensive crazy decision go develop 12 variants.

For example the contract with denel alone €340mil *just weapons system+design+intergration.

-atgm 54unit
-rws 54units
-LCT30 78 units.

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post Nov 3 2016, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 3 2016, 12:43 PM)
If we get another batxh of pt91.. could throw to BUMAR.. go sell some of the anders light tank..

Though  it still in concept only
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Prefer we go toward cv90.
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post Nov 3 2016, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Nov 3 2016, 02:38 PM)
u're comparing something which is abt 257 unit produced wif something which is almost 5000 being produced.
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He seem relentless gempita. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 3 2016, 02:56 PM)
4000. Fair point.

But that is why we should have bought off-the-shelf. We keep paying extra for TOT (eg Meko, Gagah Samudera) but we never expand on them and in the end turns out we could have bought off the shelf for much cheaper.

I mean would ATM really absolutely hate to use, say, Germany Boxer (maximum US$ 5 million for OTS deal) and find nowhere else to spend the US$ 1.25 billion we would save on the project?

15 to 5 and the LMS buy is the single most sensible sounding idea I've heard in Msian defence for some time. Its just that we wish it wasn't China... and reportedly the boats are extremely low spec...
I dunno. I assume its like construction program rather than hire purchase; ie final payment upon delivery. Same as Boustead and ships.
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Which is y I said stupid and over ambitious project for gempita.
Btw no matter who win the 8x8.
The government would want to be assemble here in malaysia.
Isn't there were plan yo buy more meko in 15-5

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post Nov 4 2016, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 4 2016, 04:19 PM)
Fit to mission, asw and mcmv will be on different platform.
that why the end number will be 18 unit

and I believe this will replace the all FAC with laksamana class alltoghether phase by phase
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18 unit enough?
I heard it will use mtu engine, it would also use some chinese system.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Nov 4 2016, 05:55 PM)
Mcm tak cukup duit ja.....
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1st batch cuma ada main gun je.
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post Nov 7 2016, 04:47 PM

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Honestly I seriously doubt the lms will be using china cms.
Most probably will be using thales cms.
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post Nov 7 2016, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 7 2016, 04:35 PM)
What, no antiship missiles?
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Yes no missile.
only main cannon.
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post Nov 7 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 7 2016, 04:52 PM)
No wonder so damn cheap.  laugh.gif
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Cheap is one thing.
Those navy having tough time to korek here and there for every penny to make up the money.
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post Nov 7 2016, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 7 2016, 05:26 PM)
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What the problem with that?
Let it replace some old ship in future it can be upgraded.

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Nov 7 2016, 08:51 PM)
they say the ships are wired so that it can fire asm but i dunno if said wiring is compatible wif nsm
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Meh, the wiring could according to nsm requirements not necessarily follow china standard.
Anyway are those wired so hard to tukar in the future?
Iirc there were 1 thai navy ship have to rewired the entire ship.laugh.gif
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 8 2016, 12:12 AM)
if Mk110 57mm + MSI + Thales cms hard for get cheap price .... the Mk110 it self already around usd 8+- million
personally not like 57mm at all。。。。
well what wrong with China CMS ? 
if you using Tacticos or other, it still need china write code to integrate there radar, Main gun etc to CMS, means extra cost from 2 party.
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Radar very likely to be western.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 7 2016, 11:08 PM)
from what i heard going to be Tacticos
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Yup I heard that too.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 8 2016, 10:11 AM)
4 instead of 6 for first batch
I still remember the original deal is 2+4 and the whole ship going to be 18 with all are ships have fit to mission
setting. So maybe the weapon setting will be vary by batch by default

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Dengar kata samudera class tu we did not buy the ip.
Some say the lms deal wee also same did not include ip. hmm.gif

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I wonder what will happen if we just sent our fighter jets bomb some abu Sayyaf base and mnlf base then pretend nothing happens at all. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 8 2016, 11:45 AM)
am not complaining, I think 15 to 5 and LMS are some of the best ideas we ever came up with. Just want to know about the practicalities of this 'modular system'.

Royal Navy's 6 Type 45s for example, share 4 sets of Harpoon SSMs, whichever 4 ships are deploying gets them while the 2 sitting in dock don't. I can imagine us doing something similar if we actually do buy the gear. but did we ever buy the missiles for Kedah class? I don't think so... likewise for LMS will we actually buy the missiles? or FFBNW-but-actually-didn't-buy again? rolleyes.gif

1 more thing. typically MCM ships are built with plastic hulls. LMS-MCM won't be...?
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