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post Oct 27 2016, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 27 2016, 03:27 PM)
The Japanese had fewer battleships and heavy guns themselves (Russians had 11 battleships against their 4 battleships), but they were more modern, faster and had better wireless radio, which the Russians lack. The Russians (contrary to common belief) also had radios, but they were of older German make and had all the instructions in German, in addition of having shorter ranges. The Japanese also had a large number of cruisers and destroyers available.

The Russians actually wanted to sneak up the straits towards Valdivostok and avoid the Japanese altogether. The fleet commander ordered all ships to go on blackout and attempted to navigate the straits at night. Initially the Japanese had difficulty in finding the Russians in the night fog and there was a danger that they could slip by unnoticed. However, unfortunately, the Russian hospital ship Orel was required by convention to be fully lit at all times, even in wartime, and the ship's lights was spotted by patrolling Japanese cruisers. These reported the position of the Russian fleet to the main Japanese force and shadowed the Russians.

Both fleets sighted each other and engaged at around 1.30 pm the next day. As the Russians initially wanted to run at full speed towards Vladivostok, there were not arrayed in a battle formation to maximize their speed. They were practically sailing in a single file at full speed. The Japanese commander, Admiral Togo, ordered his battleships and heavy cruisers to 'cross the T', sailing in front of the Russian line and firing sideways, so that the entire front and rear battery of the Japanese ships could be brought to bear against the Russian line. Meanwhile, the Russians, by sailing in a single line, can only fire their front batteries in response. By 6.30 the Russian had 4 battleships sunk, while the Japanese battleships and heavy cruisers were all still afloat, albeit with heavy damage themselves.

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Crossing the T: ships in blue can fire their forward and rear batteries, maximizing firepower; while ships in red can only fire their front batteries, limiting firepower.

As night falls, the Japanese held off their attack and instead dispatched a force of 21 destroyers and 37 torpedo boats to pursue the Russians while the Japanese main force re-formed their units. Further Russian ships were sunk, including 2 battleships. During the night action, the Japanese had 3 torpedo boats sunk. By 9.30 the next morning, the remaining Russian ships have utterly routed, with the remaining senior Russian commander alive surrendered after being surrounded by the Japanese near Takeshima island. Some ships escaped to various countries like China and the Philippines (1 cruiser actually managed to reach Vladivostok) and some were scuttled by their own crews. All in all, the Russians lost 7 battleships, 4 cruisers and 6 destroyers while the Japanese had only lost 3 torpedo boats.
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US Navy in last battleship sea battle in Surigao Strait also used cross the T tactic. Curiously, Nelson managed to break through Spanish-French line in Trafalgar, although he was being T-crossed. It still depends on the sailors, admirals and ship.
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post Oct 30 2016, 05:59 PM

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^

Hoax perpetrated by Probowo's supporters

www.cerianews.com/2016/10/nanik-sudaryati-sebar-isu-500-tentara.html
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post Oct 30 2016, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Oct 30 2016, 06:45 PM)
is that guy still vying for the presidential seat in the next election?
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Perhaps....he is ambitious, to the point of somewhat delusional. Rarely, appears on public these days, who knows if he's preparing a few political tricks
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post Nov 3 2016, 12:27 AM

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To conclude things that happen in Indo Defence 2016 today

TNI-AU may soon get Sky Dragon 50 medium SAM from Norinco

TNI-AD may get 8 additional AH-64E, for a total of 16 units

BTR-4 may be produced locally to replace TNI-AL's 100 BTR-50K, operated by marine corps

Let's see what happen tomorrow...
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post Nov 3 2016, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 3 2016, 04:11 PM)



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Putin jugend
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post Nov 6 2016, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 6 2016, 10:19 PM)
Leopard 2RI were brought using army's LCU 1200DWT to Natuna....so these two 1500 DWT LCUs will be more than capable.
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post Nov 6 2016, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 6 2016, 10:49 PM)
Why deploy heavy tanks to distant islands in the middle of the sea? Unless the TNI expects China deploy Marines to land and try take over the island (which isn't the smart thing to do, thus China wouldn't probably try it) this isn't very efficient/useful. A naval/air attack/naval blockade on the islands would be more expected. confused.gif
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No... it won't make sense in real combat situation.

It's an exercise of an extreme case. If heavy assets can be brought to a distant, near isolated islands, it can also be brought to major islands within days, like Kalimantan, Sulawesi, etc. Personally, I prefer Leopard 2 is assigned to roads and plains.
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post Nov 11 2016, 06:02 PM

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At Natuna

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post Nov 12 2016, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 11 2016, 07:26 PM)

hancur jln itu semua dong

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Thick mud...road with thin asphalt ... no problem

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post Nov 13 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Nov 13 2016, 11:14 AM)
U sure no problem? Heard some leo got stuck and some broke down..
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None stuck...5 engines broken out of 20 tanks, due to extreme operations in difficult terrain. It's a torture test by TNI-AD to find the limit of Leopard 2 in a remote island. Not a big problem in my opinion. Even if Leopard 2 is restricted to roads, there are more than enough space in Indonesia.

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post Nov 13 2016, 01:43 PM

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They want to do this the hard way. Doing engineering tasks on muddy surface.

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Leopard 2RI being tortured....

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post Nov 13 2016, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 13 2016, 02:56 PM)
Stuck in mud. So pur decision  to go lighter  mbt is justified ?
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Nov 13 2016, 03:18 PM)
well thats a gud attempt to learn leo2 characteristic & maintenance capability on local soft soil
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TNI-AD pushed Leopard 2 to its limit until it stuck and breaks down. So, they know all the limitations of the tank. There are already many places in Indonesia where the soil is already covered with tarmac and concrete, even in small towns. So, I'm not concerned.

Caesar is kept only on rocky, hard surfaces during the exercise.

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post Nov 13 2016, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Nov 13 2016, 07:51 PM)
dayum, Hueys and M113s still in service!
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Bell 412 is newer and better than UH-1. TNI-AD aviation corps is operating 32 units of Bell 412 for infantry assault, as well as 15 Mi-17 for heavier load
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post Nov 13 2016, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 13 2016, 09:10 PM)
Chinese female aerobatic pilot killed in accident

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post Nov 15 2016, 06:05 PM

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Unconfirmed report...there's already contract for six NASAMS launchers for TNI

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www.indomiliter.com/saab-bamse-sistem-rudal-hanud-penantang-dominasi-nasams/comment-page-1/

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