X2K out, X1.9K drop pice

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37247

ATI's R600 is on track for Q1 launch

AMD AND ATI made a commitment and said to the world+dog that it plans to have R600 launched in Q1. It repeated these words just recently in front of so many faces.

We can confirm one more time that the R600 will be built on an 80 nanometre process and that it supports shader model 4.0 also known as the Unified Shader model. This means that the card is fully DirectX 10 compatible. ATI is happy to say that XboX 360 is its first Unifed Shader product and R600 is second generation. This is supposed to imply that R600 might learn the Unified Shader lesson better than Nvidia. But Nvidia's G80 still did the job first months before R600.

The chip supports HDCP and HDMI if you want, and is optimised for High Definition playback. The chip will decode Blu-ray or HD DVD. It doesn't care about the media, a lot like the INQ.

Of course, the card supports Crossfire and as far as we know we are talking about cable less Crossfire. This is the first high end chip to support no external cable Crossfire and AMD is so clappy happy about it. Maybe Nvidia will now stop calling it MissFire.

Chip production is scheduled for February 2007 and we can confirmed that the final chips are about to see the face. Beta cards were wandering around the selected developers but those were DDR 3 while the final stuff has DDR4. Final launch with availability is March, I am convinced. µ

WOH!!!!
Im waiting d lauching of Direct 10 by ATI
That time is d best time Install Vista into my PC

DDR4

funny

This post has been edited by Devilc0de: Feb 1 2007, 09:25 PM

great.8800GTX price will drop madly after this.

arent we lucky consumers

can't wait, love ati... good in image quality..

any1 can clarify on this?

i never use ati since their 9XXX series

i use now 7300gt and conside wan to upgrade to mid range dx10 later

if 8800gtx price can drop to rm1800 then i will forget the R600

There will probably be no drastic drops in price unless the R600 destroys the G80.

No sneak a peek on the card sample?
I mean an example of how does the R600 looks like?

You won't see any real leaks until the journalists get their review samples. In any case, the card is shorter than G80.

Shorter than G80 you say...
Delicious...

This wouldn't be a problem to anyone that uses crampy case then..

Yes, to my best knowledge it is shorter than G80. Around the size of the X1950. Or maybe a little shorter.

well i alwiz think it's not fair to compare this card with a card that already released 7 months ago..

so r600 is not comparable with G80 ! it is normal new product to be better than the older one. and same with this case..

it will be very stupid if ATi & AMD released a card that beat G80 by only small margin.. esp after they took around 7 months to produce it

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php?p=3178127&postcount=1

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php?p=3...41&postcount=11

Both links were taken from Beyond3d's thread on R600.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37205

This post has been edited by DSC: Feb 3 2007, 07:56 AM

A picture of R600 from the link that has been given by DSC.
If that's the true R600 card, man, that's longer than the G80.

What do you think ikanayam?

If this is real, i don't think it can fit my Aurora 570, it's too long...

Look carefully. Assuming that picture is legit, the card itself is still not very long. The heatsink fan extends past the card. It will not be a problem to create a card with a shorter heatsink. There are reasons for having certain versions with the fan extending past the card, as well as the "open/close" thing on the fan that some picture showed. Hint: think crossfire

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Feb 3 2007, 08:39 AM

I don't quite understand what you're trying to explain...
But hey, what the hell, let's just wait for it's official launch then...

Yup yup
We wait untill the official launch.

Info:-

The R600 Specs are:

64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle
32 TMUs, 16 ROPs
512 bit Memory Controller, full 32 bit per chip connection
GDDR3 at 900 MHz clock speed (January)
GDDR4 at 1.1 GHz clock speed (March, revised edition)
Total bandwidth 115 GB/s on GDDR3
Total bandwidth 140 GB/s on GDDR4
Consumer memory support 1024 MB
DX10 full compatibility with draft DX10.1 vendor-specific cap removal (unified programming)
32FP internal processing
Hardware support for GPU clustering (any 2^n number, not limited to Dual or Quad-GPU)
Hardware DVI-HDCP support (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection)
Hardware Quad-DVI output support (Limited to workstation editions)
230W
Multi-GPU cluster solutions will be available for the workstation market only until March, 2007.

Processing Power:

105,000,000,000 SOps (Shader Operations Per Second)
2,000,000,000 TCps (Triangle Calculations Per Second)
28 GTps (Gigatexels Per Second)

will there is a standard feature of a HDMI 1.3 connector for all X2K cards

lol, spamming by copypasta is not appreciated.

one noob question here... will the card support shader model 4.0 like the 8800 series??

of course dx10 surely supports SM 4.0
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4572
and now it's april!! sigh

sounds about right coz they are announcing it in march.
i dont expect to see them on shelves immidiately.

april for the king, midrange and entry card will be in may... still to long...

May too far from my expectation. But oh well, it's not like I have the money to buy it thought.

GDDR4 at 1.1 GHz clock speed (March, revised edition)

OMFG OWNAGE !

wah wah wah ~!

the card ar way too long... dun forget when r600 out Nvidia sure got fight bak on the mid range card mayb another brandnew dx10 card,,, csz 7 month d lor... nvidia enginerr is working.. not taking free salary

This post has been edited by taxidoor: Feb 6 2007, 04:04 PM

i think i need to change my rig when they will release the product

March is for the killer card i suppose...how much will that be..Rm2K++ maybe?

lol, I just bought my 8800GTX for rm 2000++ and now this. I hope the R600 card don't totally destroy the 88gtx

vr-zone info looks to be wrong... again. lol.

it will but not by much on the good side 8800 price will drop by 30% estimated when r600 is out which is good 4 average ppl like us

This post has been edited by skylinegtr34rule4life: Feb 6 2007, 11:38 PM

I wouldn't be betting much on that. Mind you that with G81 due out soon, it might be a good excuse to mainatin premium prices

i just one i hdmi connector ... is that too much to ask? No right. why do you need to dvi connector anyway .... 1 s video, 1 hdmi and 1 dvi .... ngam ngam . . cun cun ciak bihun !! comeon ati 1 hdmi please .. please please please !! i beg you .. please please please

some info and pic of R600 Here

He means that the PCB is still shorter than the Geforce 8800s. Meaning it's still shorter, and only the blower is the one giving such an issue, which with a little modification doesn't seem too hard to make the card shorter than the 8800. Remember that the keyword here is the PCB.



A waste of resources man. Why because HDMI is desiged to be an all in one solution which can include digital sound, but why bother since most PC soundcard already have onboard DACs and some even have DSPs capable of decoding DD and DTS. Except for more flexible routing, i see no difference, not even on an electrical signalling basis. Although it would a great gimmicky option though.

Holy moly! That's a 2.0Amp fan! 25watts! No1's gonna b able to fit it in their normal ATX cases.

That is the OEM version (and maybe not even a new version of it). Retail cards will be 9.5 inches long.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Feb 12 2007, 04:24 AM

A waste of resource? if i would to pay $600 for a video card, i would like it to be able to be connected to not only computer monitor. Having two dvi is a waste. Why have two DVIs? Having the capability of chaneling HD video to a HDTV via HDMI is not a gimmick. Its plain stupid to have two DV1 connectors anyway

Why stupid to have 2 dvi connectors? Some of us do use dual monitors you know.

It's still a gimmick without sound since HDCP works fine over HDMI. And alot of us here use dual monitor setups, plus there is really no difference between pure HDMI and using a convertor with DVI. Graphics cards can't output sound last time i checked, it might be work a damn to encapsulate sound data and move it to the GC but as always, GCs are bandwidth sensitive and they don't like their queues moved around for sound data. Without the sound, seriously, save money and buy a convertor instead of getting something that has it's priced upped by the HDMI tag

And dude, most people willing to buy such graphics cards at such ourageous prices are sure to have atleast 2 monitors, so do i. A HDMI connector without sound is seriously just the same TMDS signal on the DVI with a different connector . You can't watch 2 TVs, but hells you can use 2 monitors for most kinds of Windows desktop based work (i keep one monitor (a smaller 17in LCD) for all my Widgets, Music, RSS feeds and Utilities, my main monitor is generally only concerned with work or porn related imagery.

edited ..

Plain stupid to haf 2 DVI? Then how do u propose I connect my dual monitors?

Also, if I wanted to connect my Plasma TV or Projector to the PC, I can always use the DVI coz the Plasma TV n Projector both haf DVI.

dvi spliters are commonly available and i with less reported issues .. the same cannot be said about dvi - hdmi connector

U do know that a 30" Hi def monitor needs dual link DVI right? Split?

This post has been edited by ianho: Feb 12 2007, 02:59 PM

Dude... lots of ppl use 2 monitors or (very soon) need to power their 30" LCDs like ianho's 30" monitor.

And its not about splitting the signal , its a bout having 2 diff desktops on 2 diff monitors (dualview)

At the peak of my workstation days I was hoping they'd come out with 3 monitor output even...

Running at dual monitor for 30 inches probably will take atleast 3 signalling links (left over bandwidth added over) and last time i checked DVI only comes with 2 per connector. And we don't want splitters, what we want are spanned displays, with monitors that can act independently of each other. For example i can drag all my chat windows into my secondary monitor and keep my main one for work with both being on at the same time.

If they could even come up with triple DVI i'll kiss them because i've always wanted a panoramic desktop.

This post has been edited by empire23: Feb 12 2007, 05:45 PM

A possible photoshop but for speculative purposes, here's an image that shows that the retail versions of the R600 isn't that long for crying out loud

Dont Drink and post pls.. im talking serioously here..

Splitter is spliting 1 image to 2 monitor and they both produce the same imgae.. for dual DVI graphic card. they can produce both diffeent image..

huh? this include the Dell 30in or the Apple 30in .. and again huh?

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Added on February 13, 2007, 3:41 pmhmmm let me check that again .. i swear i saw the two monitor system at my office is using some sort of splitter ..

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 13 2007, 03:41 PM

HDMI should be a better connect for future,
30" lcd monitor requires dual DVI it is due to single DVI cannot transfer enough signal to mintor.. as bandwidth of DVI is only 3.7 Gbit/s ,HDMI can transfer as fast as 10GBit/s

perhaps in future, you could see a signle HDMI cable to connect to 30" lcd instead of 2 DVI

nowadays, we are heading to HD generation, HDMI should become a standard for high-end card..
at least ati should equip the card with 1 HDMI + 1 DVI, but the card can still produce 2 different image on different monitor .. there is a HDMI-DVI converter for you to use it(some of the geforce cards already have it)

this is what i am thinking

dual-link DVI is 10Gbit/s as well, and since when does a 30" LCD monitor needs dual DVI, it's dual-link DVI.

g5sim: u still never fail to crack me up man!

HDMI™ Connections Surge in PC Market
HDMI Rapidly Builds Presence as PC Digital Interface With More Than 50 PC-Related Products on the Market


SUNNYVALE, Calif., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- HDMI Licensing, LLC, the agent responsible for licensing the High-Definition Multimedia Interface™ (HDMI™) specification, today announced the rapid penetration of HDMI into the PC market with more than 50 HDMI PC products currently available, including nearly two dozen desktop and notebook PCs, families of HDMI PC monitors from major manufacturers and a broad range of motherboards and graphics cards with HDMI outputs.

HDMI is the de facto standard digital interface for HDTVs and high- definition (HD) consumer electronics products. HDMI is also currently the leading interface for PCs intended for HD content usage, including connection to HDTVs and HD video camcorders.

Major PC makers, such as Acer, BenQ, Dell/Alienware, Hewlett-Packard, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba, have already announced or delivered desktop and notebook PCs with the HDMI interface. HP is shipping the affordable Pavilion dv9000t series notebooks with HDMI, while Sony offers HDMI as a standard feature on its full line of VAIO AR series of notebooks. BenQ plans to launch the Joybook S41 notebook PC along with an expanded offering of LCD monitors in the first half of this year, all featuring HDMI. Among the new products announced during the 2007 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas was Dell's HDMI-enabled Alienware Media PC that features a high-definition digital video recorder, enabling users to record and play back HD content via an HDMI output.

PCs with HDMI outputs can connect directly to more than 105 million HDTVs with HDMI inputs estimated by research firm In-Stat to be in the market by the end of the year. This allows PC users to play games, watch TV shows and movies, and view photos on their monitors or large screen TVs. Because HDMI is backward compatible with the Digital Visual Interface (DVI), the HDMI PCs can also connect directly to the enormous installed base of PC monitors with DVI inputs, which In-Stat estimates at 106 million shipped to date since 2002. (Note that content needing HDCP content protection requires that both source and display devices support HDCP to properly view protected video content).

Major producers of PC monitors are starting to introduce low-cost HDMI monitors to respond to the recent surge of PCs with HDMI outputs. ViewSonic Corporation has introduced the VX2435wm and VX2835wm, two LCD monitors that have HDMI inputs to provide clear, crisp high-definition images for enjoying diverse digital entertainment including Internet Protocol Television, movies and digital photos. LG Electronics offers a 24-inch LCD monitor with an HDMI input that is certified for use with Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. Another manufacturer, BenQ, has introduced four new widescreen LCD gaming monitors with HDMI connections, including a 19-inch model with an affordable price of $299.

"BenQ recognizes HDMI as the de facto standard interface for high- definition multimedia content that gives consumers greater flexibility to connect their monitors to PCs, game consoles and other high-definition content sources," said Conway Lee, general manager of BenQ Digital Media Business Group. "BenQ took the lead by creating a full line of PC monitors and notebook PC products supporting HDMI, and we expect to see HDMI propagate further into the PC market as it uniquely enables convergence through easy connectivity between PC and CE devices."

Accelerating the adoption of HDMI in the consumer PC market is Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system, which contains rich multimedia functions and the ability to access and play back premium HD content from a variety of so

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Added on February 13, 2007, 7:54 pm^ now i know



HDMI™ Connections Surge in PC Market
HDMI Rapidly Builds Presence as PC Digital Interface With More Than 50 PC-Related Products on the Market


SUNNYVALE, Calif., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- HDMI Licensing, LLC, the agent responsible for licensing the High-Definition Multimedia Interface™ (HDMI™) specification, today announced the rapid penetration of HDMI into the PC market with more than 50 HDMI PC products currently available, including nearly two dozen desktop and notebook PCs, families of HDMI PC monitors from major manufacturers and a broad range of motherboards and graphics cards with HDMI outputs.

HDMI is the de facto standard digital interface for HDTVs and high- definition (HD) consumer electronics products. HDMI is also currently the leading interface for PCs intended for HD content usage, including connection to HDTVs and HD video camcorders.

Major PC makers, such as Acer, BenQ, Dell/Alienware, Hewlett-Packard, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba, have already announced or delivered desktop and notebook PCs with the HDMI interface. HP is shipping the affordable Pavilion dv9000t series notebooks with HDMI, while Sony offers HDMI as a standard feature on its full line of VAIO AR series of notebooks. BenQ plans to launch the Joybook S41 notebook PC along with an expanded offering of LCD monitors in the first half of this year, all featuring HDMI. Among the new products announced during the 2007 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas was Dell's HDMI-enabled Alienware Media PC that features a high-definition digital video recorder, enabling users to record and play back HD content via an HDMI output.

PCs with HDMI outputs can connect directly to more than 105 million HDTVs with HDMI inputs estimated by research firm In-Stat to be in the market by the end of the year. This allows PC users to play games, watch TV shows and movies, and view photos on their monitors or large screen TVs. Because HDMI is backward compatible with the Digital Visual Interface (DVI), the HDMI PCs can also connect directly to the enormous installed base of PC monitors with DVI inputs, which In-Stat estimates at 106 million shipped to date since 2002. (Note that content needing HDCP content protection requires that both source and display devices support HDCP to properly view protected video content).

Major producers of PC monitors are starting to introduce low-cost HDMI monitors to respond to the recent surge of PCs with HDMI outputs. ViewSonic Corporation has introduced the VX2435wm and VX2835wm, two LCD monitors that have HDMI inputs to provide clear, crisp high-definition images for enjoying diverse digital entertainment including Internet Protocol Television, movies and digital photos. LG Electronics offers a 24-inch LCD monitor with an HDMI input that is certified for use with Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. Another manufacturer, BenQ, has introduced four new widescreen LCD gaming monitors with HDMI connections, including a 19-inch model with an affordable price of $299.

"BenQ recognizes HDMI as the de facto standard interface for high- definition multimedia content that gives consumers greater flexibility to connect their monitors to PCs, game consoles and other high-definition content sources," said Conway Lee, general manager of BenQ Digital Media Business Group. "BenQ took the lead by creating a full line of PC monitors and notebook PC products supporting HDMI, and we expect to see HDMI propagate further into the PC market as it uniquely enables convergence through easy connectivity between PC and CE devices."

Accelerating the adoption of HDMI in the consumer PC market is Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system, which contains rich multimedia functions and the ability to

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Added on February 13, 2007, 7:55 pm^ now i know




This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 13 2007, 07:55 PM

uh.... the copy paste king has done it again!

simple, buy g80. if the new ati is good and use after than move on...

Marketing crap, to be honest, engineers are the only kind of people who would build a whole new interconnect with the same signalling parameters just to make an extra buck and justify their niche products. And 50 products isn't impressive, plus who the feck uses a game console with a work monitor? Doesn't make sense for media PCs either since you'll still need a connection for audio. HDMI's M stands for Multimedia, if it can't do audio, it has no real edge over DVI, and in the case of media PCs, lol.

I still like my dual monitor setup better than the ability to hook my PC up to HDMI HDTV (instead of using a converter lol) occasionally

LOL! "perhaps in future, you could see a signle HDMI cable to connect to 30" lcd instead of 2 DVI".


Do u know what a Dual Link DVI is? The dual link DVI is a single plug. My 30" monitor runs off a single DVI plug on the gfx card. ure getting confused between dual DVI plugs n dual link DVI.

This post has been edited by ianho: Feb 13 2007, 10:05 PM

here some review, regarding theinquirer.net the retail r600xtx will be like this... see the pict

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37588

No such thing as a splitter for that kind of thing. Except the Matrox Triple Head2Go, which makes the PC think it's facing 3840x1024 monitor, and no, it still needs dual link DVI and it must be stiched with 3 19in monitors.

People still do use 2 monitors than we actually use to connect our GCs to HDMI devices and even if that happens, we can use a converter since the GC doesn't output any sound anyways.

Image quality of both Nvidia and ATI is on par now. Yes, ATI used to have better image quality(especially 2D) during the 9xxx era. But now, both companies are more or less on par.

new radeon x2000 series pricing

|ATI X2800XTX2 - 575/2000GDR4 - 2x96 - 256bit - 2x512MB - 80micro - cca.$599
|ATI X2800XTX - 750/2200GDR4 - 128 - 512bit - 512MB/1GB - 80micro - cca.$549/599
|ATI X2800XT - 600/1800GDR3 - 128 - 512bit - 512MB - 80micro - cca.$499
|ATI X2800XL - 600/1800GDR3 - 96 - 512bit - 512MB - 80micro - cca.$399
|ATI X2800GT - 650/1800GDR3 - 96 - 256bit - 512MB - 80micro - cca.$349
|ATI X2800GTO - 600/1400GDR3 - 96 - 256bit - 256MB - 80micro - cca.$299
|ATI X2600XT - 650/1600GDR3 - 64 - 128bit - 256MB - 80micro - cca.$199
|ATI X2600PRO - 550/1400GDR3 - 64 - 128bit - 256MB - 80micro - cca.$149
|ATI X2300XT - 650/1400GDR3 - 32 - 128bit - 256MB - 80micro - cca.$99
|ATI X2300PRO - 500/1400GDR3 - 32 - 128bit - 128/256MB - 80micro - cca.$69/79
|ATI X2300LE - 500/800GDR3 - 32 - 128bit - 128MB - 80micro - cca.$59

source : http://www.xmaestro.com/rservice.php?akce=...anku=2007010021

This post has been edited by arjuna_mfna: Feb 15 2007, 01:33 AM

i think someone posted this before but still some usefull info for me

http://level505.com/2006/12/30/the-full-ati-r600-test/1

[SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1]Not sure about the pricing, but those specs are wrong (unless things have changed significantly since 2 months ago).

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Feb 15 2007, 02:20 AM

if the pricing true, it look x2800gt my choice, price slighly same with 8800gts 320mb, same shader, but big memory and faster clock....

hope the spec will remain like this or better until official launch in march...

Those specs are completely whack. Completely.

Kind of agree, looks like someone took ATI's lineup and substitute the "1" with "2" lol...

However, its probably a decent indication based on what we have now (vs Nvidia DX10 cards). In the past year ATI have managed to come up with card after card that slightly underperforms their competition (X1300,X1600) in the low-mid range.
I do hope they'll do what they manage to do with the 1650XT/1950Pro, cos I love using ATI catalyst (oops fanboy alert...)

another bad new they delay gain the release date to end of june

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArt...cleID=197700269

just wandering why nvidia still not use ddr4 while ati already using ddr4 in 1950xtx...

I think better change this thread topics to
"HDMI HDTV/DVI-Single/Dual Link Argument"
Just to pay respect to g5sim and his opponents argument.

you back

Don't go off-topic again. The last it did it ended up in sheer lunancy and a blastid spamfest

Hmm, I wonder if ati will improve their gc power efficiency. Correct me if I'm wrong, the N7xxx series beat the X1xxx series in power efficiency by a lot. And ati pricing in malaysia lean toward nvidia, ati cards are more expensive here vs nvidia compared to pricing in the US.

Haiya always delay. Nvm, I can save more to buy once it is released.