Anyone know how to use Pro Tools or Sony Acid Pro? I dont know how to use. Please kindly teach me how. It's really confusing, and I keep getting the lame beats last time i try to do. how to get the beats that I want? I lazy to read the manual. lol. anyone knows please teach me. I give u free music cd. or belanja eat

This post has been edited by Xero: Jan 29 2007, 02:12 AM

i have no idea about sony acid pro. But pro tools requires lots of time to learn. I tried it before and ended up like you. So i switched to nuendo/cubse from steinberg for production purposes and for grooves and drum synths i use reason. If you are just going for beats and rhythm, drums and bass kind of thing, then reason is definitely the way to go. There are some more experienced reason users in this forum and i'll let them do the talking from here

I use reason also. I was playing around with it. But dont know how to use. TEACH ME!!! btw, these digital programs...can it turn my acoustic guitar sound (that I record using normal mic) into an electric guitar sound with distortion like a real professional recording (or close) lol? All experienced reason users gather here please! and please tell me how u learn how to use it? from college? I'm not just talking about bass or drums... I want like the background music, electric guitar sound, drum beats, keyboard sound, bass sound, then I put in my vocals and turn it into something close like a professional recording like songs u listen on radio. Close to that la. I dont want any lame dance beats lol.

This post has been edited by Xero: Jan 29 2007, 02:11 AM

You should think about getting a synthesizer then. You can emulate a lot of instruments with it and produce an entire song. I would suggest you try using Vegas instead of Pro Tools if you're currently working on using Acid Pro. It's much easier. Acid Pro is great for loops. Pro Tools is wonderful for post production work, i.e, creating sound effects for video. Logic Pro is great for music production work though it's a tad more difficult to work with, especially if you're not into reading up on the software.

I'd teach you to use Acid Pro but I don't have the time right now. Try to search for tutorials on the web. Google's a good place to start.

Good luck!

Well Xero, it's not as easy as it looks. Most of the Pro Tool users i know have experimented with the software ever since it was first released, whenever that was. And still haven't been able to utilize it's full ability. I have switched from pro tools to nuendo now so i can't really help you any further. But please do allow me to point out a few things (but if you don't want to hear them you can stop reading now )

First of all, lame dance beats are a good place to start. Let's say you're looking for a bass drum and you have a certain sound in your head. You have to spend the time to look through your libraries for that particular sample that is closest to what you have in your head. And then fine tune it with EQ. Repeat the process for snare, hihat, crashes and all 3 toms and other percussive stuffs you want. That alone, will take you a few weeks if you sit down and do it everyday. After that you want to get your bass. Same process. And so on and so forth.

Secondly, not everything can be done with a MIDI keyboard and pro tools. If you're looking for FX like echo, delays, flangers, and all these weird stuff, then yes pro tools is a good thing (or the guitar rig software). But you still have to have a guitar to get the guitar sound and authenticity. And you have to know and be able to play it at a certain level in order to get good sounds. And for distortion, nothing beats the old fashion micing up of a good tube amp. So not everything can be done by software and mouse clicking.

Thirdly, to do professional recording, you really have to be a professional who knows his stuff. Especially the basics. Hardware is just as important for good sound. Sound card, A/D converters, instruments, microphones. You have to know how to set your gain correctly, EQing, basic effects like compression and hall/reverb/echo. Professionals spend years learning all these things. And the result is what you hear on the radio. If you want to be able to do that, you have to be prepared to learn it from either a pro or an institute himself. And it's like a course. Full time sound technician. Would probably take about 2 years. And quite honestly and bluntly speaking, i don't think going to forums and asking is enough. If you have a specific question once in a while then it's ok, but to actually start from scratch... Sounds pretty utopish (does that word exist in english? i've been in europe too long ) to me.

Finally a short word about reason. My guitarist in my band worked as a sound technician for 30 years and composes most of the songs we play (jazz/lounge music). Most of them are composed almost entirely with reason and a MIDI keyboard with the exception of the OD guitar solos. So contrary to what i said earlier, it is possible to make professional sounding music even with reason alone. Depends also on the genre you are aiming for.

Ok, all that probably didn't help at all and you must be pretty pissed now if you have read this far because of me telling you everything can be done but not actually telling you how to do it. The truth is, i only know the basics to audio production and am still learning day by day. And your question is too general. Maybe you should narrow your scope abit and start somewhere specific (like for example, hardware types and setups), and then continue to build your knowledge on that. Google is also always helpful. Actually, you've gotten far enough to produce "lame dance beats" which means you know the basics of the software already. The rest is just spending time scrolling through the enormous sound libraries, learning to EQ sounds and to add effects like hall/reverb to give it a more realistic sound and producing a decent end mix. It's not easy. I spent almost 2 weeks learning how to get a decent sound from the snare drum. And i still haven't got it yet by the way...

Wow....my longest post to date. I'm so dem free and have no life ....

This post has been edited by Bassix: Jan 29 2007, 06:21 AM

theres no way i could just teach u reason over the net like this. even if u read the manual, it wont cover much. my suggestion if u're serious is take rm60 out of ur wallet, go to kinokuniya and buy a book on reason.

edit: u can try searching youtube for tutorials but so far ive never come across a good one.
if u have a very specific question on reason then maybe u can ask here. general questions like teaching you how to use if too broad to cover. also, diff people have diff approaches once it comes to this.

This post has been edited by echobrainproject: Jan 29 2007, 11:21 AM

I AM DAMN PISSED AFTER HEARING THIS! . Maybe I should take up the Audio Engineering Course at Lim Kok Wing or MMU since they learn all this and I'm also interested in all these audio stuff. But currently doing mass comm so can't lol. at ICOM there is a short course (3 days course lol) for using Pro Tools, for RM3000, but i dont think thats worth it. My friend actually knows how to use Reason but he forgot how to use already, cuz learn long time ago.


Kinokuniya! the one at KLCC? in PJ do we have KinoKuniya ar?

yea the one at klcc.

dont get pissed la. alot of audio engineers nowadays are also self taught because of how fast technology goes. ive also always wanted to do audio engineering but wasnt given the opportunity.

learn the basics first: both analogue and digital. learn basic recording techniques, miking techniques,etc whereas for digital start with writing music using midi(and i dont mean those midi crap u hear in old handphones, but more like the demo track that comes with ur reason).

as for 'professional sound', do u know theres still the mixing and mastering(2 completely different things) process after the recording? those 2 fields are also very very broad

echobrainproject, thanks man good infos there. Im actually at KLCC yoshi connection internet cafe now lol. crap RM8 for 1 hour of using the comp/internet here crazy expensive. But anyway I checked out the reason book just now at kinokinuya, the book looks great, I read a bit inside already, it's really easy to understand as the language used is simple english language and the way the author explain is also as if it is for someone who doesn't know about how to use reason at all. I think I'm gonna take out some cash and buy it soon. Anyway echobrainproject, u know how to use reason? PM me ur phone number. I'll learn from the book and if I get stuck i'll give u a call. I know that ur in sarawak or something right? im from pj

yes i do know how to use reason. just ask ur questions here. i dont simply give out my phone numbers. im from kuching but now studying in kl.

oh ok, got msn? maybe we can video chat or smth la, or voice chat if I got problem. PM me ur msn.

for the moment just ask ur questions here k?

hhmm
sony acid pro is quite easy once u get the hang of it..
first off, if u wanna do drum beats, u first need the samples
examples of thsoe might be seperate tracks of bass drum, crash, cymbals, hi hat, all that..
after that, just assign the specific keys, and you're making beats..