Eco Grandeur v2, by Eco World Development Group Bhd
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 Sep 5 2016, 09:45 AM
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wow.... after reading through thread 1... suddenly bcum heated discussion... wad the heck....? this is an open forum... chui shui also kena shot kao kao.....
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Sep 5 2016, 09:45 AM
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Sep 5 2016, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 3 2016, 10:03 PM) Hi all, based on your professional own calculation... what would be the price psf of Graham Type A intermediate would be...? and maybe you can calculate the price psf of Hillpark similar intermediate double storey uni...? see whether EW are overcharging the consumers? see what are the top EW is doing against its substandard neighbour developer would be the most obvious comparison?To be sincere, wrong means wrong, Why I said wrong is because you will not get 1521sqft (Graham, Type A, intermediate) base on layout dimension. Also, in this case, I profess the purchasers or potential buyers would not be able to get correct psf base on overall selling price.  |
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Sep 5 2016, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(daniel125 @ Sep 5 2016, 10:06 AM) Can't do so bro. As what he had mentioned we shouldn't compare with other dev. EW is a top brand so they must do the right thing   headache la macam ini... haha....  so if i am an accountant... i say everything u calculated is wrong... professionally wise must be confirm wrong? irregardless of what is the real world practice will be? haha... |
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Sep 5 2016, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 5 2016, 10:24 AM) As copied from the press: Access to Kuala Lumpur via Guthrie Corridor Expressway, KL-Kuala Selangor Expressway, North South Expressway and the two upcoming highways, the proposed Damansara-Shah Alam Expressway and the West Coast Expressway (completion: 2019). Blow water or not?   yea.... this part i agreed its true... but whether everyone need to use those highways anot will be a deciding factor on whether they wanna vest in this area....  |
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Sep 5 2016, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(lustremoon @ Sep 5 2016, 10:36 AM) Thank you so much, samkps and beancounter. I shall work on finding out more information as advised. THE CON (ahem): are u ready for the jam, the stressful long distance drive to work? what you gonna do if your social circle constantly at KL or other areas which require more than 1 hour drive? to stay in an ulu location just for the sake of landed? who knows how long those facilities and the township will be matured? god knows where are you if you stay in now? do you wanna pour in your hard earned money in this location?(this is what everyone usually says anyway)....Meanwhile, as most of you are definitely more experienced/knowledgeable - I would like to pose a question. Based on the limited information on Eco Grandeur and taking into account the location and development of Puncak Alam, what is your opinion on buying a property here? What do you think are the pros and cons? Based on my limited knowledge, these are what I think for now: 1. As a first time buyer for ownstay purposes, the price is certainly reasonable for the size (of course, due to location as well) 2. Although the location is pretty far from KL/PJ, I am banking on the completion of DASH and UiTM campus with the hospital 3. It is gated and guarded plus by a well known developer Any other pros/cons that I should consider? Appreciate your inputs. Thanks! anyhow... i currently staying in cheras... looking for a landed... i working around PJ area... and I vested in this area... I wont say u wont regret.... but i tried to test the peak hours journey... the weekend journey... visit the area during weekend and weekdays... i would say... i can see the potential in this area... with UITM and potential super hospital... if the government willing to take a look in this area... and the developments are in line with the government vision... potential definitely be there... thats what i tot.... don't bash me ya... haha... |
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Sep 5 2016, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(lustremoon @ Sep 5 2016, 11:11 AM) Thanks for your response aaron1717, so you have actually bought a property in puncak alam? Hillpark or something else, if you don't mind sharing? yea... i bought EG neighbour's hillpark... i did tried to travel to KL during peak hours on weekdays.... yea... it really depends on whether you are such person which really can live in a car for at least 2 hours plus everyday... the jam... plus the distance... might really tortured you... if you working in KL... maybe u can consider also the landed in Kajang/Semenyih... Rawang... Puchong South... and see which one would you prefer to travel from to KL more... must try to experience the jam during weekdays at least to know how it feel will really helps you... Yes, I must say I am contemplating the travelling time and traffic. I currently stay in PJ and work in KL. I have been to Puncak Alam during weekends and obviously the traffic jam is not an issue. But I can imagine the jam during weekdays since it is just one long stretch of a road before exit. Like I mentioned, I am really considering the DASH highway as a factor. And, based on the SA, the phase 1 will be completed around end of 2019 hopefully things get better by then. Also, with the building of a hospital - I suppose more focus will be given to the highway and other infrastructures.... DASH cant help much if you working in KL for the rest of your life... haha.... and to most of the new townships... they building it beside the matured townships like PJ or in semenyih case, cheras... the main point is for those who not considered KL as their main living area anymore... and for those who can stand the jam... I can stand the jam... last time i drive to college also taking 2 hours per day to and from... except the days where there was no late classes... |
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Sep 6 2016, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(lustremoon @ Sep 6 2016, 11:35 AM) Guys, more questions.... Apologies as I'm really new to property investments. hmmm.... most of the new townships 15 years ago also considered succeeded in becoming a matured township now... setia alam, puchong, cyberjaya, kajang, subang jaya are the few newly matured townships just few years back.... if currently comparing to puncak alam... semenyih, rawang, puchong south (deeper inside), rimbayu and ES, alam impian, sungai buloh, nilai, bangi, dengkil, bukit raja, certain precinct of shah alam and etc..... the most noticable failure of new township was bukit beruntung and the old bandar country homes at rawang...1. No renovation without approval - meaning owner can't even do internal structural change which may not affect the outer facade and build up? 2. What are the other restrictions or cons under landed strata compared to individual title? 3. Are there any other townships or residential areas that are comparable to puncak alam? Please provide both extremes i.e. township with potential 15 years ago and now developed well vs. townships with potential 15 years ago but now still not developed enough. Thanks! but i think u shud really study more on all these township before u wanna go into one of these townships... and lowyat net if u filter hard enough... it might be a good source for you.... at least this forum is my starting point... i used at least half a year to really study all these townships before i bought this residence here... and i really travel to those townships to see how is it physically... This post has been edited by aaron1717: Sep 6 2016, 12:22 PM |
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Sep 7 2016, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(lowyatvest @ Sep 6 2016, 10:29 PM) Have you explore BSC township before deciding on HillPark? Mind sharing why you choose the latter instead of BSC? yeah... i did explore BSC.... BSC have larger sizes landed and a huge township planning as well... but for me... the package were not attractive enough compare to hillpark... I wanna save as much entry cost as possible during that time to properly structure my cash flow... haha... and hillpark kinda closer to the town of puncak alam and also bandar saujana utama... for basic necessities... I can easily got it from these two towns... and The Avenue of hillpark is closer to UITM and also hillpark will be facing UITM... i looking at the potential investment oppotunity of hillpark... if lets say i have a change of mind of not own stay in the future... i can just make my current hillpark house become an investment property in the future... BSC is good on its own... just the pricing and package which divert me away initially.... haha... |
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Sep 7 2016, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 6 2016, 11:55 PM) If u are potential buyer for this Phase 1, he is EG neighbor's buyer.... so he just need to look forwad onto how EW develop their township first... since we know MKH wont do anything on the existing infrastructure to boost up their sales also.... U shall hope the upgrading of Major infrastructure outside boundary be start after launching of phase 1, In this case, the cost will only parked at the subsequent phases and the price different between phase 1 and subsequentl phases is high, Then u can enjoy some appreciation. Always remember in this world, there will be no free lunch. No developer will scarify their profit margin by doing extra upgrading works, Unless they can get some exception in return, say, reduce low cost provision... This is world of business... |
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Sep 7 2016, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Sep 7 2016, 11:46 AM) Not really rugi, this time EW EG is benefited by IJM Shah Alam 2 and MKH Hillpark who boost the development in Puncak Alam. In fact Hillpark is selling higher price than EG for similar built up. Like Meranti price is RM 570k for non-bumi price (20x65), built up is 1516sqf. i concur with u on this... the IJM and Hillpark projects already set a benchmark for EW to set their pricing on their own concept which is strata titled township... by right they can offer a slight premium compare to wad hillpark offered... but then... the pricing also could be one of the reason why EW didnt spend any on infrastructure improvement compare to their other projects.... |
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Sep 7 2016, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(ubi1kelubi @ Sep 7 2016, 02:29 PM) Recently my younger brother book a Meranti, according to him the price is about 480k. Maybe that price is after discount, I thought it is a base price and cheaper than Graham. But what I am trying to say is, why EW bother to upgrade the road since it also boost sale for his direct competitor Hillpark while the road upgrading cost is only bear by EW. MKH also in the 1st place didn't bother about it since it is not liable for them to improve road condition or interchange. yea... hence... in the end... no one wanna improve the infrastructure or care anything about it... bcuz the existing developers tak peduli pun... anyhow... why ur brother dun consider EG first before bought Meranti? haha... |
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Sep 7 2016, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(ubi1kelubi @ Sep 7 2016, 02:44 PM) He said because closer to uitm, built up is bigger and his fiance likes it haha build up... i nt sure... ever since the guy keep disputing about build up... no one can say for sure... for meranti compare to the smaller size of EG's landed... i think wont run too much.... but meranti is totally ur typical type of DSL layout... i think it may feel spacious at the living room straight to the kitchen... for intermediate it might be slightly larger than EG.... UITM also one of the reason why i chose hillpark... of course... EG havent launch yet that time.... About the built up, on paper should be the same right? I dont know where he get the idea it is bigger.  |
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Sep 7 2016, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(mascot_lim @ Sep 7 2016, 03:02 PM) I am not sure if they have cost sharing for EM and SEH by EW and SPS, but for sure, both developers have the commitment to initiate infrastructure enhancement for that area..... at least... both developers there are having the same mindset on infrastructure... however for this area... EW fighting a solo war... MKH and IJM never bother bout infrastructure improvement in most of their projects... thats the problem here.... |
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Sep 7 2016, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(lustremoon @ Sep 7 2016, 04:03 PM) Talking about better infrastructure, do you guys think the flash flood issues that happened last year may repeat or maybe get worse if the roads and drainage system is not improved? ask bob.... he seems most of the time lepak in this area.... haha.... i think the flash flood issue already settled... the last time it happen mainly due to construction and mismanagement by the government... after that huge flood issue... all the residence retaliate and call for improvement... so far I didn't heard of any recurrence anymore... especially days ago there are huge downpour around there also....Also, do any of you guys currently stay at Puncak Alam? Please let me know - I am a potential EW buyer...would like to know more about the area. |
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Sep 9 2016, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(lowyatvest @ Sep 7 2016, 08:45 PM) Thanks for sharing. haha.... i do agreed on most of your points when I visited Ixora that time... but yea... for me money talks more.... haha.... and i always ready for another option for future... hence my option... lol... actually i really like the design of BSC compare to Hillpark frankly speaking.... just that... i feel i can squeeze more out of hillpark than BSC in term of monetary value.... I last check the Ixora phase selling at 630k after disc for a 22x75 with huge built-up. High ceiling 12' and overall looks and feels spacious. Design not bad. Only drawback is not built on flat land, near to water storage tank and houses orientation not so good. BSC is at much higher land and has better view of puncak alam. Future phases will be on much higher land...better view. Just my opinion but no intention to invest there unless there is one with good view. |
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Sep 9 2016, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(jack bauer @ Sep 7 2016, 08:18 PM) from the masterplan layout map, I dont think there will be direct road connection to DASH, it is too far. DASH starts at Seksyen U10 (Puncak Perdana) traffic ligth junction/Cahaya SPK in the map, which is 20KM from Puncak Alam junction, this is very far. yeah.... that time when i test the route from Hillpark to Damansara... Its impossible to use PMD at all... i use the exit from Saujana Utama then Guthrie then towards LDP... the PMD i can visibly seeing the jam just after the traffic light of Saujana Utama there or the Hillpark Grand Entrance there....What i heard and read is do not considered to use PMD (or Jalan Batu Arang - even EW also wrongly named this road ) as daily weekdays commute route, unless the destination is just around the PMD exit. On normal shiny good day, travel time from the U10 trafficlite is 30mins, yes 30mins from the dotted dash line of DASH to Sunway Kayangan covering distance of 3.5km. On rainy day, accident day, tampal lubang construction day... expect 50 to 60mins. On return trip (pulang ke sarang)...after 630pm, the crawl will start at Sunway kayangan, all the way 25km to Puncak Alam...phewww... |
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Sep 9 2016, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(bob @ Sep 9 2016, 10:23 AM) u mean using saujana utama route to jln kuala selangor to enter guthrie?? hmm.. that time when i tried it... is during weekday morning also... maybe its special case that time... haha... hopefully the PMD can really restructure to a better route...but on weekdays, its super bad traffic from inside SU to main road ... PMD is much better eventhough u can see a long traffic at the junction nearby sunway kayangan. |
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Sep 14 2016, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(jack bauer @ Sep 9 2016, 10:28 PM) if EG sales team uses PMD as one of its selling point to access the township then i guess that's a very bad selling point though. PMD is known for its massive congestion during peak hours. People in Puncak Alam & Saujana Alam who works in KL/PJ go out as early as 530am in the morning, to reach office by 730/8am. yeah.... but i realized that if i using LATAR to Hillpark/EG... I think its still quite decent... but thats for me.... I am not sure how about the other residence using other kind of routes..... However weekend using PMD to PJ/Subang is a breeze for me.... |
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Sep 15 2016, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Sep 14 2016, 08:21 PM) If I coming from Aman Putri (left side) Sungai Buloh, how long should I reach this project? fyi, I m working in KL but the design and price is very attractive. Hope some sifu can advise me. lately i been going to my new house in Hillpark to check on the reno... from KL to my hse only required 45 mins using NKVE and to LATAR and voila... the jam in NKVE to bukit jelutong is so crazy... i agreed its not usable in peak hours... from EG to aman putri only for 12km... which usually only 10mins driving.. that part not really jam normally... This post has been edited by aaron1717: Sep 15 2016, 09:33 AM |
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