Bincangkan.

no.

/close thread.

yes.

case closed.

why

is the person who enroll in the MBA without knowing wat they have just sign up for that is worthless...

DEPENDS...

IF FROM PRIVATE LOUSY UNI LIKE OPEN UNI, SEGI , UTAR , etc all cap ayam one then useless

if get MBA for that extra few hundred increase in salary then no need la

Worthless.
From my own experience.

HAHAHHAHA OP OWNED

no i mean from ipta like UM or UUM

tell me your experience

ahmad maslan is UKM MBA grad...



he singlehandedly turned one of the better MBA certs from a top 3 public uni into a worthless piece of paper...

It is not useless but it is not that useful too... finally companies will evaluate your MBA based on your working experience... some MBAs require specific working experience before you may take the course. Some MBAs have additional requirements before enrolling, therefore companies will know the MBAs quality from there... if you compare a MBA from local uni with overseas uni, we still have a long way to go...

UM maybe still ok.

UUM out.

It doesn't help me get a job, cos employers value working experience more.

Ahmad maslan

Hmm, got friends take MBA from UKM and UPM(Putra business school)...pretty useless

they just went for weekend class, doing some useless assignment, after getting the degree still work at same place, no promotion whats over.....

I believe the cert is not important, but the people you know from the course(maybe aspiring entrepeneur/ professional) and increase your network

Bcos u spend 20k to get salary rm200 higher than degree.

you usually get a masters in order to APPLY for a new job which the employer has higher paper requirements. If you take masters and expect your current employer to promote you just cause you have upgraded your paper qualifications, then memang bodoh la like that, coz it will never happen.

Agree.....Hmm, getting a master degree is useless in the short run for junior executive/ fresh grad

But it is important when you are moving up the corporate ladder ....example 2 candidates for management/manager position, same work experience and performance,
THEN having a MBA will be an advantage as well as boot licking

Depends bro, quite a lot local companies i know provide allowance(& study leave) and encourage us to improve our self and take up master degree( eg specialize in I.T/project management instead of general MBA)

all MBA = worthless

how so

Every mba also useless
Take more technical one

It is worthless if you don't utilize it to what it is served to be.

It is useful if you utilize it well enough.

depends. if working in public sector, then local U MBA is alright. if MNC, they wont give a shit.

don't forget, a big part of MBA is the networking with the alumni - that's why prestigious Uni like harvard are so hard to get into (along with the cost of the programme, obviously)

there are only ~20 MBA programs in the world that not worthless

what makes you say that it is worthless?

Yes. Only MBAs from top tier business schools matter.

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This post has been edited by un.deux.trois: Aug 31 2016, 01:34 PM

Studying is so overrated

Unless your master degree is From a top 10university in the world.
Like my brother. His starting pay was offered 40% above industry rate even before he graduate

My boss say will give me good increment once I get my MBA

All MBAs are useless

AGREE...

but not all degree from UK/AUS/US/EU/CANADA re the same
Those cheapo uni twin with UTAR
1. SHEFFIELD HALLAM (DIFFERENT FROM REAL UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD)
2. Newcastle upon tyne (DIFFERENT FROM REAL UNIVERSITY OF NEWCASTLE)
THOSE BAD RESULT STUDENTS BRAGGING ON UK DEGREE BUT OTHER ARE LAUGHING AT THEM


WITH SEGI
3. University of Greenwich

KDU
4. University of Chester

ALL THESE CHEAPO UK UNI WORLD RANKING ARE WORST THAN TOP FIVE LOCAL PUBLIC UNI (UM,USM,UKM,UPM)

UNFORTUNATELY MANY EMPLOYER JUST SEE UK DEGREE BUT DONT KNOW THOSE ARE SOME OF THE WORST UNI IN UK (RANKING >500)

if u working in government sector then yes

wtf

IF WORKING FOR GOV, kakitangan awam...THEY DO HAVE GRED BASED ON EDUCATION LEVEL !!!!!!!

WITH MASTER/PHD CAN LET YOU NAIK your GRED FASTER WITHOUT ACCUMULATE CERTAIN YEARS OF WORKING EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Need to ask yourself..why MBA?

worthy or worthless it all depend on what you want to learn from the course

regards,

current MBA student in cap ayam university

Go top business school overseas
200-400k rm yo


I know a top performer in petronas who got sponsored for mba in oxford. Damn syiok

This post has been edited by phas3r: Aug 31 2016, 03:39 PM

I know a just graduated guy from Wharton Business School (where Trump, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett study) get a starting pay of RM8000.

Apparently its actually low salary because its Malaysia

Worlds best mba school just few hours away in Singapore. Malaysia MBA can masuk tong sampah

U need better qualification than degree if want move up to senior Mgr role. My boss advised me to take MBA majoring in finance for Snr manager position.

But first, compare yrself among jr.exec before dream further. That will easily cost u about 4 to 5 years, with condition:

1. Fed up and jump ship bcos covservative management/that fker dint retire/that fker dint left as promised/no opening for u

2. U did not perform against that diploma qualifier

3. Ur performance is not on par with yr MBA. Wait, what uni MBA again?

4. There is better candidate than u

5. Best deal from yr MBA qualification is DEAL WITH IT.

I ask for forgiveness if u find it insulting. Cheers and gd luck

This post has been edited by Chisinlouz: Aug 31 2016, 05:12 PM

when i got mine..company give me salary adjustment 1k a month after i got my mba...break even the cost after 25 month wroking lol....

sad but true lol

if u tell any managers about INSEAD, they would blink at u as if what unknown low ranking institution is that when it's one of the best business schools in the world.

how so elaborate

Chisinlouz
HMM, TALK LIKE THAT YOU WIN LIAO LOR..... IF PERFORMANCE NOT GOOD PHD ALSO NO USE

This post has been edited by KimiLau: Aug 31 2016, 08:23 PM

I think only a small handful of local U's have 1 or 2 Crowns from one the top 3 business schools.

Are you in HR? If you are,then you should know that we mainly look at your working experience, your paper as long as meet the minimum requirements for the post enogh d, we don't care what uni unless ivy league different story la but the rest doesn't matter, UK ke, Malaysia ke, Zimbabwe ke,as long as our govt recognize then enough d.

makan nasi lemak better....

LOCAL COMPANY MAY NOT CARE BUT SOME MNC DO CHECK WHICH UNI

My American cousin graduated from Columbia University in NYC in MBA. He got a lot of job offers haha

Degree useful yes. At least it help to get a job.
MBA tarak guna. Get only few hundred more than ppl who applied using degree. But wasted 2 years plus minus to get it done.

That 2 years experience can easily get increment worth 4 digits

i think first of all is the mentality of people who want to take MBA. nowadays youngsters is like quantifying everything. Wah he got a MBA, automatic switch to bank. Wah he got MBA confirm +RM3000 jump. Sorts of silly reasons like this. Totally no purpose and sense to take.
Some has no value in the person itself to even take MBA. Go class and all these shit only focus to finish up assignment and get that paper.

After beating that, only start thinking bout prestigious or not the MBA school, but mostly all crap schools around. Crap schools = most likely crap mentor or classmates just like urself, which can kiss goodbye the important experience of networking and sharing insights blablabla throughout the course

As employer I do not really care about MBA or similar paper qualification.

MBA holders do not have any advantage over non holders, IMHO. I actually know an MBA holder who is also a bankrupt.

Rather, hiring and consideration for promotion depends on 3 things, performance, performance and performance. If my employee took a year off and comes back with MBA and demands RM xxx extra just for the MBA, I would just tell him to get out and stay out.

However if my employee took a year off to Europe or someplace and comes back with multi million dollar business contacts and deals, I'd hug him and triple his salary and throw him a free Porsche to boot!

On the contrary, im from MNC and we seriously do not care as long as you have the minimum required paper qualifications. Work experience is most important, we look at the type of company you work before, the size of the company etc...of course for fresh grads we do pay attention on the uni la. But 70% still based on your communication skills during interview.

If you cant judge a persons communication skills during the interview itself, it just means your interviewer/recruiter sucks or your interview process itself sucks. If the interview is done properly by a good interviewer, you can pretty much know these things at the start itself.

Welcome to reality. Btw how many PHD actually enrolled to a job, or just attach to certain uni running their papers? Do yr research.

Rule of thumb

If you're looking into doing your masters, your goals is to migrate and get off from this deplorable country.

Look at all the negative replies here.

My thoughts mate, do it, its better to be overly qualified, it'll put you on the upper edge against everyone else.

Ignore the negative sentiments from this morons.

Oh, for qualified answer, do open a thread under the education or job section of the forum.

LOL, WHAT U EXPECT

in forum:

THOSE WHO GOT MASTER WILL SAID IT IS GOOD

THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE MASTER WILL SAID IT IS USELESS

but UUM recently got AACSB. full page advertorial with huge face of the VC. cant be that bad?

its not the cert that counts but the knowledge that you can apply to your work.

i hate to say this to your face but you are exactly the reason why HR gets a shitty reputation: just what exactly do you mean that "the rest doesn't matter"? just because you guys do not bother about university rankings nor have the degrees that your candidates possess, doesn't make it right to denounce these as "doesn't matter". It is laughable that you grouped Zimbabwean degrees on par with our great Malaysian degrees.

Look, I say it doesn't matter because I judge your working experience (for those experienced one) and communication skills (for fresh grad). Like it or not im not doing this out of my own whim, its the employer's guidance, i'm supposed to hire a capable person for the job, im not supposed to hire the degree for the job. The employer would usually just specify what qualification is needed for a particular post, for example job a, need this and this degree, job b need MBA min for example, they did not mention it needs to be from which particular uni. Then they would mention the criteria/characteristic of the person they want to hire, this would be a more detailed and comprehensive list...so I just have to make sure you meet the paper requirements as per the guideline and the rest is to determine if you fit the criterias/characterictics required/

If your degree is from a really good university, but from your past experience, I see that you can't hold a job for long...I won't hire you, i'd rather hire someone with a degree from a shitty university but has a proven track record at Work.

Similarly, if you come from a top university, but during interview you only know how to give scripted answers for standard questions but can't answer questions that you are not prepared for on the fly, i'd rather hire someone from a third rate uni that can do that, because those are the skills the job requires, not the degree.

Assuming that both person from the good and shitty uni both have good previous employment record and for fresh grad both can communicate and present themselves equally well, then the next criteria is how much you are asking for, if the person from shitty uni is asking for rm500 lesser, i'd hire him instead. But lets say asking salary both are the same...only at this point i would look back at the degree and hire the one with the so called better degree. (reality hurts but we do have to keep our costs down and productivity up, when you start working you will realise this is the global trend right now)

your degree is not going to do the work...you are. Your university ranking is not gonna make money for the company, the quality and quantity of your work is what makes money for the company.

So don't assume just because you have a good degree people will hire you automatically, like I said the degree doesn't get the job done, the person does. So its good that you have a good degree, but if you think that guarantees you a job, without you putting the extra effort, commitment and hard work like everyone else, then you're daydreaming.

Scorptim is right.

To employers, university ranking doesnt matter.

Most important is professional experience.

Even for fresh graduates, questions will be asked about your relevant achievements during internship.

The paper qualification doesnt matter much to me.

I'd hire a 24 yr old SPM graduate with 4 years experience in McD/KFC, reaching level of Branch Manager, and pay him a higher salary compared to a fresh uni grad (any uni), anytime.

Thats because I know that the SPM grad has slogged through hell, working on weekends and public holidays, manage to satisfy millions of customers and make money for the company. Yes, this would be my employee of choice.

Scorptim is right on all points here. I hire people, not degrees.

Many candidates sit in front of me thinking that their degree will represent them in toto. They can't be more wrong!

No amount of MBA or even DBA will help when the candidate has poor track record, poor interpersonal/communication skills, little or no achievements or a royal jobhopper.

IMHO the point of an MBA is to find out what you really want out of life. As a paper qualification, it is worthless for a fresh grad and they would typically struggle if they did it soon after their first degree. For an experienced worker with a few years under their belt, then it has the aforementioned value. Most Malaysians typically don't invest in continuing education and are not widely read. And I don't mean paper qualifications here, but in life experiences and knowledge about the world. An MBA is one condensed shortcut to get that rounded knowledge to make oneself more self-aware and marketable. In that respect, I think any MBA, even from a local university will serve that function.

IMHO an MBA from any university is useless and pointless and serves more as office decoration. If one is really so hardup to improve himself I suggest he go take a course from the Bill Gates, Warren Buffetts, Vincent Tans, Lim Goh Tongs. Oh they're not giving any courses? Fret not, just join them, absorb knowledge and work your way up.

hmm, it depends

thats why i recommend take TECHNICAL Msc (master of science) degree like I.T instead of general MBA

Master degree will be useful in certain job sectors ONLY , NOT ALL

But i can guarantee that if you HAVE MASTER DEGREE(GOOD UNI) AND argue with colleague over work matters, they dont dare to bully you or talk big in front of you...FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE!

ipohmali70 scorptim Starbucki Chisinlouz

This post has been edited by KimiLau: Sep 1 2016, 12:54 AM

DUPLICATE

This post has been edited by KimiLau: Sep 1 2016, 12:56 AM

the best MBA is Mac Book Air

+1 to you mate. what you said gave me a new perspective about the process of hiring candidates. thanks mate.

I understand where you are coming from but I'm not talking about that piece of paper: I was referring more the process of getting there. Some people just pay money for people to write their thesis for them and other stuff like that thinking that piece of paper means something like more money. I agree that's really pointless. OTOH I won't deny it might help *some* people see things differently from their day to day jobs.

Dah cakap brp kali,

Is not the cert, it's the student,

Attitude macam pantat, malas macam pundek,

Masuk Harvard Ke, Cambridge Ke, kluar pun sampah

Thumbs up, one of the more reasonable comments here

this is another anecdote showing where HR should really have more critical thinking and really add value to their work rather than pulling in all other factors to avoid answering the question.

The question is: if we are holding aptitude and experience constant, would you still say a Zimbabwean degree is equivalent to a UM (not ivy league in your books) degree?

I answered that already right, if aptitude and experience constant, next goes to what salary ur asking, if both the same, then i'd look at the better degree...

Are you working for a chinaman company, or an MNC run by a chinaman?

neither, american MNC...obviously you're too oblivious to the fact that mnc accross the world are cost cutting now...if i can get a cheaper candidate that has equal experience and aptitute, why should i hire the more expensive one? Give me a reason pls...

again you are throwing in other factors to justify your disdain for people with qualifications

Let me put it again: if 2 candidates with the same aptitude, experience AND same pay expectations, would you still put up the one with Zimbabwean degree to be in contention with the one from UM? If I am your boss, I would screw you nicely for putting both on par.

1. How many of u of the same cert, same results
2. Do u want to win
3. Do u have connections in that industry ?
4. Attitudes

again you are not reading my comments, if both same salary i'd take the one with the better degree, how many times do i have to repeat this? to be spcific if between zimbabwean and um, id take UM. Happy now?

i guess you're from one of those "Better" uni, but yet i had to repeat my point 3 times to get through to you...and im not sure if its getting through yet...

This post has been edited by scorptim: Sep 1 2016, 09:37 AM

it worth more than a degree

MBA regardless of local or oversea are useless due to majority of companies in Malaysia do not appreciate the benefit of an MBA graduate plus, there are plentiful of MBA graduates nowadays and there aren't that much positions that officially require an MBA anyway. so getting an MBA these days is just to syiok sendiri

yes you did. but calling these as "so-called good universities" does show your disdain towards them and tendency to put them to the bottom of the pile. i have seen people from ivy leagues talking rubbish. but i dont go around calling these institutions "so-called". either they are ivy league or they are not.

What qualifies local universities to offer MBA when MAS = bankcrupt, Proton = struggling, RHB = VSS staff, CIMB = MSS staff + shut down 22 banks, 1MDB = news scandal....

again, i dont put anyone at the bottom of the pile, i judge the person, not where they studied. I put those who i find not qualified as a person at the bottom of the pile...not those who studied at xxx uni at bottom of the pile.

I've not seen people from ivy league talking rubish la, coz i've never had an ivy league candidate (sorry but UM is not an ivy league uni...thats a fact! if you think it is, then you don't know the definition of ivy league)

if you decided to take it, please make use of the alumni network and the friends you make.

Ppl who have MBA will say MBA is good and worth it.

Ppl who dont have MBA will butthurt and straight to say MBA is rubbish.

Simple.

But personally, its always better to have a higher qualification, not jz for the benefits in your career, but also as your self-personal improvement. Its always interesting to learn new things in life, and keeps educating ourselves. Remember, education is the best investment one can make.

well ahmad maslan is now synonymous with stupidity.

even though he keeps repeating that he is the top of his MBA class in UKM.

so if he is the top of the class, what about those who graduated in his same class but got lower marks?

it's like you are no. 1 in standard 6 but in the stupid class, anyone below you must be stupider than you right?

thus now ppl will ask you very carefully if you are an MBA grad from UKM, whether you are the same class as ahmad maslan or not.

tl; dr reputation gone...

my criteria for a good uni = the more ads they show, the shittier they are.

have you seen any ads for any top 10 or even top 100 uni?

no right?

uni reputation speaks for themselves, they don't need some branding/marketing to get students to come and study there.

their names alone are priceless...

no top scholar will choose a uni based on an ad shown before movies...

Agrèeeeeeee...finally a comment that make sense

so true

but those top uni refuse to accept me as their student