Hi everyone,

We need a car that fit 2 adults and 4 kids.... Hence, we are considering Toyota Innova since our budget is 120K.
I always hear lots of complaints about the fuel consumption issue.

I looking for full honesty from people who had experience with current Toyota innova about the comfort of ride ,practicality and performance for the price......

Or any suggestions for the budget of 120k ?

Tried grand living, alza and avanza before.... 3rd row seating is torturing if ride for long distance....... Therefore these 3 is out.

This post has been edited by HealerC: Aug 18 2016, 11:46 AM

Innova is basically a truck with an MPV body......get other car if you want comfort and refinement.

See the chassis there? That's the truck ladder frame chassis....



This post has been edited by yattnana: Aug 18 2016, 11:59 AM

😱😱Thanks for the info..... Any suggestions for the budget of 120K for new mpv..... ?

U can test drive brand new model Toyota Sienta. Just launched today. Price started from 93k.

Nissan Serena @ RM122K is also a decent choice.....

http://www.mudah.my/kuala-lumpur/new-cars-...5&mds=37&mde=37

Sienta 2nd row seats are smaller than Alza, avanza or livina.

Sienta space for 3rd is not comfortable, maybe for kids is OK. For long terms use... Sienta doesn't fits for my family 😆

Agree 😜😜😜

Let me check on this... Then

Just because it is based on a truck platform what's the problem? I've driven Innova before and it doesn't handle or drive like a truck.

If you want space Innova is good choice without having to go for a fancy van like Serena. Most other 7 seaters are designed for midgets in the 3rd row.

Price is from 132K+

Maybe because you're used to lousy cars......if you have driven a proper mpv like serena,biente or estima you'd know...

Scout around for merdeka promotion....my friend just bought it at 125k

Oh really? Must go showroom ask then

We test drive innova before.... It was fine for us......
But what we not sure is the long term of driving..... That y I'm asking for innova user advise.....
Lousy or not lousy car that's I can't comment.... Coz we used to drive avanza and alza that type of car..... We are not up to the level of estima and alphard yet... 😂😂😂😂

This post has been edited by HealerC: Aug 18 2016, 02:37 PM

Try driving a Lavina or a Proton Exora and a Innova and you will find the Innova does drive and ride like a truck. Because Innova is basically a truck sharing the chassis of Hilux and Fortunner.

Was in similar situation and ended up with a Proton Exora CFE. The CPS is hopeless. The Exora easier to get in and out than Lavina and have 3rd row air cond.

Go beyond the look and the Innova drive like a truck and ride like one also.


On fuel consumption. Long distance drive the Exora uses 7 L/100km. On town driving, almost double that.

In that case, then Innova is for you coz the ground clearance is higher and no matter how much is the load, it won't sink in like Exora or Livina. No doubt the Innova shakes alot on a bumpy road its not really like driving a truck, more like a van with more controls over it. If you and your family are big size team, and price is a concern, go for Innova. If you want more comfort, then Serena is the cheapest.

Innova does have higher height than Exora but that also makes Innova less stable during cornering at higher speed.

I would agree Serena would be a good choice. But some people don't like the look just like some people look down on all Proton.

I guess your driving skill is seriously lacking. You can't drive anything other than a stock standard sedan or you go haywire. You expect an MPV to drive like a car.

Space in Serena Hybrid is quite good for 2 adults 4 kids.

I'm driving a T.Wish with 2 Adults 3 kids btw.

My next baby is out end this year or early next year.

Plans to get a recon alphard, or budget a bit Serena.

Toyota Innova is quite bumpy while in highway.. don't like that very much. And kinda underpower I would say.

This post has been edited by askm3: Aug 18 2016, 03:33 PM

Thanks for sharing......
Previously didn't get to test drive Serena because thought of it as out of my budget.... Will seriously consider on this... After hearing all this valuable comments...

Thanks for sharing 😉

IMO, Innova is very comfort for passengers. However it is too heavy too pulled by its engine. I rented Innova during my visit to Penang, fetching 6 adults 2 kids comfortably. But totally can not make it uphill, feel like a snail crawling. FC very bad. But it indeed comfort for passenger.

You can try look around on Toyota Wish.
Pro:
Within ur budget, decent power, enough cabin space for you family, easy to maneuver, good FC
Con:
Recon unit

Kinda worry about recon car maintance fees.... Just in case so unlucky..... If u know what I mean..... I'm not affordable...
New car at least got few years warranty... 😆

Estima is the best.. recond estima or used for year 2010 is around rm90k too..
but its used or recon.. for new hardly to fit comfortably for adult in 3rd row seat, need to extend ur budget to rm150k

No $$$$ or else I need to eat Maggi or bread everyday 😂😂😂😂

If the RM 80K Exora CFE suits your need, you can have steak instead of maggi mee.

There are pros and cons.
Pros
1. Much better chassis dynamic than Innova and ride comfort.
2. Powerful air cond with 3 rows of blowers.
3. Perfect height for old folks to get in and out of car.
4. Powerful enough engine due to turbo charging.

Cons.
1. Brand name.
2. Fuel consumption but I doubt it will be worst than Innova but I am not sure.
3. The CVT at low speed is noisy and rubber band feel.

Can't remember how the 3rd row seats compare.

I won't say it's very underpowered. I've driven it with 5 adults and 2 kids with luggage up to Cameron Highlands and it was a breeze. Never felt the engine was underpowered.

Just my humble opinion, no offense,

You should try the same amount of passengers and luggage up Uncle Lim's hill to really stretch the VVTI engine to the limit.
180NM of torque at 4000RPM means at 2000RPM-2500RPM probably you are using half of it only, to carry heavy loads.

Cameron Highland, regardless Tapah or the Simpang Pulai, both the hill incline is not that steep compared to Uncle Lim.

I dont own a Innova, but I've test driven the Innova (not the latest generation) at one showroom and I find the auto gearbox tune to be quite relaxed. Not as spirited as the older generation Camry 2.0L (yes I know, 2 different cars and engine).

Innova has such so low torque? if so, that means the Exora CFE is a lot more powerful at 205 NM at 2000 rpm onward

Innova is showing its age already....even the exhaust sound bad. Sound more like lorry than an mpv. And the spare wheel mounted like a truck.....with chain and all

3-4 adults innova 2.0 underpower already? compare with 3-4 people inside exora?
so then how about grand livina and alza? nissan serena s-hybrid?

at least make comparison..

i would say CRV 2.0 is underpower.. even with latest model

RWD setup like on innova typically saps more power than the more efficient FWD configuration like on Serena.....couple that with Nissan's excellent CVT transmission, the difference is like night and day

You can say a car is underpowered if it feels sluggish carrying a load of say 4-5 adults on the flat. To test it with full load on a steep hill isn't fair even if it goes up sluggishly as many other average cars would feel the same.

I'm no expert but 2.0L engine seems about right for the size of the Innova although it may not give a spirited drive. If 1.5L is good enough for the Sienta why is 2.0L on the Innova considered under powered? If you compare their curb weights Innova is 33% heavier than Sienta and has 33% more engine capacity. This is a rough rule of thumb - we could compare max HP but a car isn't driven at max HP all the time.

Sienta is FWD with CVT......the driveline loss is way lesser than innova with its ancient truck based rwd layout and ancient 4spd at

Must also look at max torque coming at what rpm. Someone posted saying for Innova, it came at 4000 rpm whereas a Exora came at 2000 rpm and hold that till 4000 rpm so it's more derivable. And the Exora CVT probably helps also.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Aug 18 2016, 09:30 PM

How about 2nd hand / recon Odyssey? The third row seats any average adult comfortably. AC vents on 2nd and 3rd row. It's within your price range. Can service in any Honda SC. Plenty of power (2.4L).

This post has been edited by haturaya: Aug 18 2016, 09:36 PM

Go check Hyundai starex. Luxury, comfort, roomy, and the best part, diesel power.

Around rm 100k for a 2 years used car.

Except it's too big for town parking. Can sit up to 11 I think

We seen and check out on that b4...... It's too big and hard to parking....

underpowered is a relative statement

Frankly, my fiesta with 110hp is SEVERELY UNDERPOWER

The resale value of the car would depend on its popularity, brand value, and maintenance costs among many other factors....
I have check on the survey and news report...... Toyota Innova is in the top 5 Cars In Malaysia With The Highest Resale Value After 5 Years .....
😀😀😀😀

There is a new Innova in India.
I guess it'll make its way to My soon.

Sory bro, I dun buy RV thing.

In 5years, anythg can happen.
What if suddenly Gomen increase roadtax for 2.0L crazily?
See now most car is 1.5L (NA or forced induction).
If 5yo Innova 2.0L consume more than 1.3L turbo, then people will buy turbo, leaving Innova RV low becos no1 wants to buy.

Ive driven exora cfe, wish 2.0, estima 2.4.

For drivability i'll go for exora cfe.( torque n handling)
For comfort I choose estima. (sliding door n 2.4L)

I drive serena... and I think it is pretty good to fit your family. I try sitting at the 3rd row, and it is comfortable, enough leg space and height, I fell asleep on the trip sitting on the 3rd row. By the way serena is an 8 seater MPV2+3+3. But it is slightly over your budget of RM125k though

The price is estimated to be slightly higher then the current one because of the changes and upgrade make.....

My family own livina, alza and avanza.... So already try them all.....
3 row seating is torturing.... For long distance traveling....

I read many comment that suggesting Serena....... But I don't see much of this car running on the road..... I wonder why?

Test drive both Serena & Innova, then make your decision.....
I've driven both and IMHO Serena totally beat Innova in refinement and comfort...
In fact it's almost as good as the more expensive Estima

Then your choice would only be Estima, Starex, Serena. Not sure of Innova

innova just a bit bigger then avanza for 3rd row seat

did try all those.. wish is my choice if given those 3 model.. bcoz
- comfort almost the same as estima just without sliding door
- space smaller then estima but acceptable
- driving dynamic is the main point, it accelerate quite well for 2.0 with CVT gbx, its FC also good..

Those who have done a bit of research know Innova is basically a Hilux pickup designed more to carry cargo instead of people.

Whereas those in similar price range like Lavina and Exora are designed to carry people and not cargo. Hence the difference in passenger comfort and handling.

How does Innova 3rd row compares with Exora?

Nissan Serena or Mazda Biante?
Year end stock should have promos.

for a full sized 7 seater,
since u have the budget, go for serena for the most practical and long term use.
else, consider exora too. once u try turbo, its hard to go back.

there is a new innova coming soon. Major facelift fr the current one

exora bigger due to longer n higher roof

Still based on truck platform right? Rear wheel drive with live axle rear suspension

u need consider the weight of the innova and engine performance leh..
i look the spec..seem like innova is underpower wor

yes, truck base, using hilux platform. Toyoda MPV for third world country mean good for off-tar rural ways, not for good for highway.

But toyota claim improve comfort, not sure how big is the improvement

at least is faster than crz. 1st gear side by side to fn2 type r.
becos rear weel drive, i did other stunts too, but that defeat the purpose of mpv so im not mentioning here.

btw, i cannot overtake exora. did passed japan imported estima after he speed cut.

my comment from 2008 until now.
e throttle, need to learn its lag response
weak brake after going several round of high speed >160kph
funny abs that too sensitive
small fuel tank. able pg--kl then low fuel light on. mixed usage slow drive 400km per tank (fully aggresive city drive can make 280km. hiway 330km)
good front grip as the double wishbone. turning circle not good.
interior stuffs. nothing break yet. pass.
exterior stuff. broken fuel door cable. toyota give dumb solution so i just leave it unlock.
other modify, service and misc. nope just a stock mpv for carry ppl and big item.

This post has been edited by ktek: Aug 19 2016, 01:33 PM

if u open the enjin bay. u will know the sound produce from the jumbo apollo shape air filter. ori exzos flow is quite restricted

Thanks for sharing

Fuel consumption looks similar to Exora CFE's. But CFE more powerful.

do check out the used Mazda 8
fits your budget too

Not keen to used car

Oh yes...
its stated here.

Only in Indonesia, they get both the 2.0L and the 2.5L D4D turbo diesel engine (turbo without intercooler).

On the other hand, the Exora gets a perfect match - Turbo and CVT. Which manufacture does that kind of combination except for Subaru.

I've sat on the 3rd row of a borrowed innova before from kedah to KL and I must say for a 170cm tall guy it was hell. I hardly feel my feet after that trip. It also somewhat bumpy.
Both my family and my inlaws have exora and I say it is much more comfortable for the driver and passenger. No doubt once my own family grows I would definitely buy an exora
so spacious there still ample space after the third row.

Some time ago I did go to a Nissan showroom asking for serena for a friend and from the info that I got they said serena use hybrid engine like prius. furthermore it looked slab sided like a
van so thats why not many of them on the road.

New car, so better specced.
No vsc, no buy.

Serena hybrid is not the same like prius'
http://www.livelifedrive.com/news/how-niss...id-models/28213

Some people would rather die than seen driving a Proton, so lowly is the name. Pity.

did u adjust the middle row seat forward? me 170 ok wor.
new serena is somewhat bigger kenari shape the original mpv. i wont say the look like a van (liteace, c22, rusa that kind i call van)

I want to but can't. The rest of the family are all bigger/ taller than me so had to give up the legroom to them.
to me the slab sidedness remind me of those toyota hiace. Not to say its a bad thing but it does not appeal to buyers IMO.

Eventho i know Exora is bigger then Sienta.. I'm not taking it due to reliability and after sales service issue..

Had a wonderful 4 years experience service at Toyota, compare 10 years at proton which give me a lot of headache..

Serena S-Hybrid is only minor hybrid.. Fully developed hybrid is Prius n Camry Hybrid which totally different with Serena S-Hybrid (S for small)
Even second hand around rm90k for 2 years old Serena

Mine 4 yrs+. These are the things that went wrong.

1. Two ABS sensor replaced. RM100+ each.
2. Steering rack sound replaced under warranty. Incidentally a friend have a Toyota and having same problem.
3. Dashboard sound that was fixed.
4. After refilling, sometimes got petrol smell.

Is that good or bad?

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Aug 20 2016, 07:36 PM

You are talking about which car?

Exora CFE.

The turbo Oil Hose was also replaced but that was a preventive measure by Proton FOC.

Did you keep the car doors completely closed when filling petrol? If not petrol fumes will enter and give you petrol smell.

Just done the test drive today on Nissan Serena..... My hubby drive the car while I'm sitting in the 3 rd row.......
Innova vs Serena
Driving @ handling - Serena win
Comfort. - Serena win
Furthermore Nissan is doing Huge promotions now....
So have decided to go for Serena

would go for estima...

Like many here have already told you, it's easy to beat a truck in driving, handling and comfort. And Innova is basically a Hilux pickup in disguise

Estima better but some people would not want a used and prefer new.

Just like me 😂😂😂

Good choice. Serena is an all rounder with Japanese reputation. Having said that suggest you test the Mazda Biante too before you make the final decision. Anorher Japanese branded mpv with skyactive.

Hmm... true, if compare to alphard, it is less. But alphard unless you get an old recond, else it will not match budget
compare to Proton Exora, it is less as well, price lo, 40k different
compare to Innova, well... just say there is much who thinks Toyota is the best.

Anyway... know your budget and know your needs, what you want to use the car for and can it fulfill them
It will be a simple decision once this 2 is clear

Its not just used.

For me its the BIG question on what's done before it was shipped over here. Having 1 used car dealer that 'refurbishes' it is bad enough, but in this case there could be 1 or 2 more parties having their hands on it that the future-owner would never know.

emm.. if you can overcome that, I would say Estima is way way better.

My father in law had a Innova since 2005, and in last year change to a new Serena. And at times my family (of 4) travel with him to KL and SG, so I can relatively say the pro and con of Innova vs Serena on normal daily usability.

Innova (used 10yr)
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+ It's hell of a durable car, in the past 10 yrs it nvr gave my FIL any headache, only normal service required, absulutely nothing !!
+ Driving in 2 or 3 ppl, the car is not so comfy due to its suspension settings (from ladder frame). But if you sit 5-6 ppl in the car, it's quite comfy. It's a big MPV, so drive like one. Don't bother about handling.
+ Durable, and it's aToyota, so the resale value is pretty fine after 10 yrs used. Bought 105-108k, sold for 40k after 10 yrs, since not much issue with maintaince, it's about 6.5k per year.
+ High ground clearance, parking not afraid of hitting curbs.

- The biggest issue for Innova is not the FC, as it's pretty decent for such a large car. But it's the small fuel tank !! On town driving, it lasts only 350-380km per tank due to its smallish size Even on long haul JB-KL, it barely last 450km.
- 8 seaters setting, getting in and out of the car is not as easy as those with sliding door and walk thru central path.
- Swing doors, for a proper MPV for large family, at least for me, sliding doors is much much prefered. It takes up a lot less space to open and close, so your passengers will not hit the wall or other cars easily.
- The car is ugly, damn high wheel arch gap It does not make the car pretty even if you change to larger rim, in fact it makes its ride harshier. And you should never lower the car coz it compromise the ride.


Serena (used 1 yr +)
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+ Great features for the money. LED headlights, powered sliding door, SAT NAV, mild hybrid (much better than normal hybrid coz less electronics integration with hybrid battery).
+ Magic seat setting is awesome. Can easily convert into 7 seats or 8 seats.
+ FC is decent in town, excellent on long haul. I could nearly do a 700km on a single tank going from JB to Kuantan via Mersing road.
+ Better SAFETY features, VSC is fitted although airbags count is still at 2

- My FIL still said Toyota is better Especially on the service center quality. Nissan support made him
- For my old man ok, but I DAMN HATE the CVT. The car is at least 150kg heavier than a Innova. Even the engine is more powerful, it has to work hard to proper the car. The CVT kind of amplify this point, as the engine rev up before I could feel the power. Definitely not to my liking, but I reckon that most ppl are ok with it especially for MPV (ppl don't expect to zoom zoom around). Personally I like the kick feel from conventional gearbox.
- Reliability, nothing happened so far. But Serena FB group members, a few of them suffered from CVT failure (on CBU pre-facelift batch). Not heard of CKD issue yet.
- Resale value definitely not as strong as Innova, further dampened by Nissan aggressive offer from time to time.
- EPS (electric power steering), bad feedback when driving. Again for most ppl ok, but I am very particular on that. Dont like it.


Estima 2005
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I changed my wife Alza into a old Estima after considering many points above. Was thinking hard on Biante but the lack of used car (back in last year) and new ones too expensive. Space for Biante also too small to be a proper fullsize 7 seaters.

+ Estima has god car like resale value, especially those with 7 seats and 2 power door. I expect to lose RM4-5k a year with my old Estima
+ Comfy, damn comfy. So much so that my kids ask my not to drive my Audi A6 on weekend drive to my FIL house or when we go travelling
+ 2400cc has decent power, never feel I needed more

+/- FC on long haul is pretty good. one litre RON 95 can hit 11km, but on town driving even if I maintain at below 2500RPM most of the times, it drinks about 7-8km per litre.

- SAFETY, quite lack of it. Crucially even the new Estima 2006-2015 model does not have ESP / VSC Latest 2016 new facelift I am not sure. Too expensive anyway.

Not much comment on the ACR50 (06-15) model, it's quite expensive to the extend that is not worth it. Yr make 2006 car is a whopping 20k more than a 2005 car (old model). And this model has notorious EPS (glok glok sound) and CVT. So I did not consider it when I was searching for my Estima last year.

Agree

I would personally not consider a car without ESP or VSC or VSA or whatever. Hope I never get to use that but would like to know it's there when the needs arise.