Yeah I wondered too. Maybe not from XMG though because they only have the German layout (with the reverse L shaped Enter key).

Not sure if they have their keys in the US International layout that we have.

But as for the fit, it should be a quick replacement methinks.

Oh, just noticed that our Great Red Cousin the Z2 has similar keys as the XMG, and in the US layout as well. Maybe you can try to find those?

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 3 2018, 08:30 PM

8750H,1060, 2x8GB RAM, 512GB SSD + 2TB SSHD. Planning to install another 512GB SSD maybe today (when I salvage it off my other laptop).

But hey, at least it runs longer then the Zephyrus lol.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 4 2018, 08:20 AM

Well, problem is at this point most INITIAL Spectre and Meltdown patches seem to adversely effect performance to a surprising degree (mostly due to having to mess with Speculative Execution)... only now has patches with less severe effects been developed, and even then the application of the said patches often come with disclaimers regarding the performance impact.

And with those new vulnerabilities being only recently discovered, expect the same in regards to the patches. The first versions of patches addressing these new flaws MIGHT just be so performance heavy that you're not gonna want it yet.

Despite Intel's rather optimistic (IMHO) May, August timeline.

Plus its gonna take a bit of time for the ODMs to process the patches anyway - hence probably why those "improved" patches for the "original" S/M are not even out yet for everyone.

But for details I'll leave it to the Illegear folks to answer.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 4 2018, 10:00 AM

Very interesting question! I'm curious too, and any way to reduce the "click" even slight would be a welcome change to those who plan to use the Onyx in a quieter, more professional environment... like doing research in Libraries.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 4 2018, 11:04 AM

Ditch the HDD for the extended battery then the 1060 version also would have a somewhat decent 5++ hour battery life (at the very least).

And no, the 1050ti will not factor into battery life as you're probably on Optimus when you're on battery anyway... However the processor might.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 4 2018, 12:51 PM

About 4 hours max, with stuff tuned to minimum (powersaver plan, display at 25% and RGB keyboard turned off). UV is really more to keep temps in check and increase turbo utilisation, so don't expect it to help much.

Also, this is running on IGPU. Expect more like 1h30m-2h with the DGPU active all the time (and something like 2h++ for a mix of IGPU and DGPU use),1050 or otherwise.

That said, I do have a heavily tuned down Energy Saver profile set in ThrottleStop, but I haven't tested and tuned it thoroughly yet so I can't say if it helps prolong battery life, at least for surfing and light work.

I'm curious, when you're on battery why not just accelerate Premier/LR with the iGPU? Sure, its an Intel but the UHD 630 is actually not entirely crap for those kinds of stuff - at least for "mobile" use (and keep the DGPU for when you have access to a power point).

Sure, I know Premier at least renders a lot faster with a "proper" GPU but heck doing that with the Aero 15 even will bring the battery to its knees (it goes to about what, 3-4h with that kind of use?).

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 4 2018, 01:55 PM

I'll record a video later in a quiet room and you can judge yourself (just in case you're not within a stones throw to Illegear's offices to check it out). Of course, it will be recorded from about ear level (and then adjusted to the approximate level that my ears can hear) to be fair as there's no real reason to poke a camera right next to the keys and THEN lement how noisy the keys are lol.

Oh, and while I'm at it, maybe I'll just press the full fan button (aka the "fan boost") and you can hear the fans in all its glory too - though be advised that it's not like THAT all the time.

Didn't have the chance to do it earlier as my "Work Base" is really, really noisy lol.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 5 2018, 12:51 AM

Your typical Chicony 150w brick (for the 1060 units), not too big or heavy, just about the length of an adult palm out to the fingertips.

If you want something more compact, go eBay the Razer Blade 14's 155w adapter - it should fit without any hassle too.

The 1050/ti units both have smaller bricks, as to be expected.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 5 2018, 02:38 PM

As promised, the video on the Onyx's keyboard and also the Fan Boost (aka the fan at full speed). Please excuse the static in the background and the slightly dark video (I need to get myself better equipment, plus this is my first time churning out a video), but otherwise I'd say the sound is pretty representative of what you'd hear in use (expecially if you're using headphones to view the video).

So yeah, normal typing force initially and then harder typing. There's that Windows beep there too (somewhere on the middle) to give you a reference point of sound levels (unintended but pretty helpful lol).

ALSO, the I had the laptop on a really wobbly plastic container (only "base"I had around that was free) so don't mind the laptop wobbling around while I was punching the keys hard.

And, just to reiterate, that fan doesn't sound like that ALL the time.

Oh, and I managed to film Onyx disassembly for upgrades/maintenance as well. As I can junk the sound on that one you can look forward to a less static-y video when I'm done with it.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 5 2018, 02:46 PM

Nope the base I had the thing on was an empty plastic container (with a rather flexible top), so when I was punching the keyboard, the entire container was wobbling bad adding to the apparent screen movement.

The container was the only thing around at the time for me to put the Onyx on unfortunately, but it was my bad nonetheless.

Normally the screen doesn't wobble much at all when put on a properly grounded base, but it's a thin and light after all. Heck the GS65 was even worse in this regard when I tested it out at Digital Mall (yeah they have one display unit over there).

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 5 2018, 02:57 PM

I have oily fingers lol. Later I type and wipe, type and wipe... it's gonna end up being a long video. Also, it looks fancy in an weird kind of way, like a mime with a white glove kinda thing.

And yeah, skin-wise I have an entire roll of translucent CF sticker just waiting to be applied, DIY if course.

There's also a few skin places I know of that does laptops, like Mobile Outfitters, HAO Cheras and that place at the basement of OU near the ATMs. They might be pricey though.

And due to the bespoke design of the keyboard, I don't think anyone has a silicone keyboard protector out for it just yet. Once its out, it MIGHT turn out to be a good solution to the clicky problem IMHO.

Unfortunately, not at the moment. You'll either have to adapt your typing style to minimise clickiness or get an external keyboard that is less clicky, both not optimal solutions of course.

Also, a silicone keyboard protector (see above) might help muffle the sound, once those become available for the Onyx.

That said, the powers that be @Illegear might see it fit to offer a less clicky membrane keyboard "sidegrade" to the Onyx as well (as they are going to for the Raven line)... IF, of course, there is sufficient interest.

Personally, I find the clickiness relaxing, but that's probably just me. But I do have to admit that having to control my typing strength for use in quiet areas might be a bit of a PITA for me too probably.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 5 2018, 11:54 PM

Anyway, I have just FINALLY Installed FC5 to play... and apparently the EasyAntiCheat thing (something like the old Punkbuster stuff) that gets installed alongside FC5 REALLY doesn't like the Onyx Command Center (as it does a lot of other RGB/system control software, so this isn't limited to Illegear/TongFang).

FC5 runs fine after you exit/kill the thing though.

Prince J Did you notice this? Or have some of your customers (mostly Raven/Raven Elite/Onyx folks) come forward with issues running FC5, which might just be due to this.

Maybe I should whip up a bat file that kills the CC before running FC5 and restart the CC when I exit the game. Used to do it for Mass Effect 3 way back when because it clashed with Dexpot (a desktop manager).

At least before Ubi decides to fix the bloody thing (or TongFang manages to release a CC that doesn't trigger EAC, but yeah, I don't think that's gonna be easy).

FC5 itself runs beautifully though. 62FPS average on Ultra off the built in benchmark (on Nvidia's 391.35 drivers).

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 6 2018, 12:56 AM

Woah, hey there man! First I bid you welcome to Lowyat.net, considering how far you travelled from Reddit to here.

As for the battery question, I'll tag the resident Illegear reps for you (paging AZIM@ILLEGEAR and Prince J ) so that they can answer your queries for you.

But as for a timeframe at least, Prince J has already stated previously that the battery will hit alongside the 144hz screen upgrade, which will be around June-July.

Oh I got your Reddit reply in regards to the "silencer" hack (o-rings on switch stem hack) you posted.

Have answered that, but in short, the GK5CN mech keyboard switches are structurally different (we don't use stems), so the hack doesn't apply.

BUT, we can use the same principle and try to pad the insides of our caps with something else that fits instead. Maybe vinyl stickers or something.

HOWEVER, I'm not sure of how much of the click we'll be able to dampen, as I'm not really sure if the source of the click is the mainly the cap hitting the switch, or the switch itself engaging.

Anyway, I also forgot to tell you that you might want to Private Message the reps I paged above personally if you want a faster reply. Check out a few pages back, click on their names on their replies, and choose "private message" from the bottom right side of their profile pages.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 6 2018, 10:54 PM

Or you know, an Apple Wireless KB...

As for the Procs, it's probably that... or, it might simply be that it's fractionally cheaper, which adds up when you buy container-loads of Procs for mass production. The fact it runs cooler also means you get to save a bit on cooling design as well, and hence the savings snowball - leading to increased profits.

It's not that your average consumer is going to miss much from having the 8750H over the 8850H.

Plus, the Onyx (GK5CN) and the Zeph GM501/GX501 notwithstanding, the other thin/lights already out aren't exactly coping all that well heatwise with "just" the 8750H either lol (or at least that's what their respective Owners Threads over at Notebookreview Forums are leading me to believe anyway).

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 7 2018, 12:07 AM

Okay folks, have set up the new Onyx Discussion Thread over yonder: https://goo.gl/sRLdei

So yeah now we can slowly transition the Onyx talk to somewhere more specific, and lessen the load over here for the benefit of the folks interested in (and seeking support for) the other Illegear offerings.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 7 2018, 01:43 AM

Haven't tested the Raven Elite and the Laguna myself, but Notebookcheck has a review if the Laguna at least under PC Specialist Proteus something something (though that one is with a 7700HQ, so add a few degrees c to that).

And you can compare the temps recorded to that review to the 83c (CPU) and the 80c (GPU) the Onyx gets - also max 50c external temps and average of around 38c.

The Raven uses a similar keyboard so no.

HOWEVER, the Raven / Raven Elite MIGHT be getting a membrane (read: quieter) keyboard option, and the Onyx might also get one later along the road.

The closest one (from Illegear) with a less clicky keyboard might just be the Laguna, once it gets upgraded to CFL-H anyway.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 9 2018, 12:35 PM

Unfortunately getting G-sync isn't as easy as paying and getting it... Nvidia needs to certify the entire system (GPU, CPU + display panel) as "properly" G-Sync compatible before Illegear can do anything.

Plus, the Onyx at least can already do external G-Sync fine. Not sure if the Laguna can too, but I don't see why it can't.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 10 2018, 05:34 PM