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zero5177
post Sep 25 2016, 10:45 PM

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Just had a short <10 mins test drive of the Persona 1.6 Manual today

Comparing to Myvi 1.3MT and Saga FLX SV MT.

The car is very stable at corner and sound proof is also very good, noise outside is hardly audible, needless to say comparing to those cars I have listed above, none can get any closer to this Persona 1.6 Manual. My gf sitting on the back and I told her to take note on road noise and other noises, she said its very quiet, body rolling is very minimal too.

Engine rev is audible when above 2.5k rpm, the sound level is acceptable comparing to models I've listed above, I also don't find any of those above are quiet than the Persona 1.6

The boomy sound from Iriz is gone, you know the feeling when you first start Iriz engine... that sound that surprise me the first time I start the car wasn't on the new Persona, it was quiet.

Talking about starting the car, I have to depress the Clutch to be able to start the car. At first I thought I need to press on the brake pedal to start. No big issue to me anyway as manual driver do sometimes forgot to check gear before starting and resulting starting the car with gear engaged, so this feature is good to prevent such incident.

RPM for 5th gear at 90km/h is at 2.5k based on the meter, I doubt it will get 2.6k rpm at speed 110km/h like I've read before.

On the acceleration, I do agree with boss262 on the throttle delay that's kinda piss off. Including myself there's 3 person in the car during test drive.
The throttle delay feels sluggish like the car is a bit Lazy to start its acceleration even compared to Saga FLX which also uses the drive by wire tech, this gives you an impression that the car is underpower at the start. Comparing to Myvi I do need to floor down the fuel pedal more on the Persona to get the acceleration I'm looking for... or maybe the acceleration was there just that the stability and quietness of the car masked the feeling of accelerating (Note that I'm testing the car at a road directed by the SA which I'm not familiar with, so cannot pay full attention on the car's performance). But who knows, when time goes by at the time when you are used to the acceleration response, we might be able to feel it's true power. However pls note that my test drive duration is even lesser than 10 mins, so it could be that I'm just not used to the car yet.

Gear shifts is very smooth, the gear level feels solid and the distance traveled between gear changes are nearer compared to FLX, however I need to stretch my arm a little more for the gear change compared to Myvi (not to be mistaken that its hard to reach, just that I feel the one on Myvi is closer to the driver which is to my liking.

The clutch is soft and biting point is a bit high compared to my Myvi, need to release more to get the car going, but I get used to it very quickly(like on 3rd engagement). The clutch release is also very smooth compared to myvi and Saga FLX, your passenger might not even realize you're driving a MT, because gear change is very smooth, better than FLX and Myvi. The Hill hold assist I forgot to try out... or should say I totally forgot the existence of this feature due to I'm paying too much attention on other experiences at the given short test drive duration.

And I also forgot to check the door lock light which I finds too soft on the Iriz and hard to see during day time...

So here's my opinion, the car is good, just the acceleration part I don't like which could be due to the fact that I'm not used to it yet.

The test drive is very short, I would call this a first impression rather than a proper review biggrin.gif
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post Sep 25 2016, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Effy92 @ Sep 25 2016, 10:56 PM)
Nice review  thumbsup.gif

Where you test drive the manual unit?  Im actually waiting the new saga launch first then can test drive both.  tongue.gif
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At Atiara, its a showroom unit thumbsup.gif

I do have the feeling for that as well, but after going through the Saga specs, its a big let down to me they even forgo the ABS for the Basic variant sad.gif
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post Sep 25 2016, 11:02 PM

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Boss262

I'm kinda interested with MT, would you mind to share it's gear ratios if it was listed in the handbook? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 25 2016, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Effy92 @ Sep 25 2016, 11:20 PM)
Yup, a big let down for manual user. The spec and price forcing us to buy the premium variant but no manual premium. If they dont want put abs ok fine but the price of standard variant without abs for 37.8k are quite expensive.

Seems the rpm 2.5k same as previous persona manual, iriz manual, axia manual when at 90kmh. 110kmh will be 3.1k rpm. Maybe that is the optimum range for campro.  wink.gif
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Ya... pretty sad for the Saga.... it sounds to me proton want to improve their Saga to make it better than their old Saga, instead of making their new Saga better than the New Bezza... I do understand that engine wise they cannot do anything, but they must fight with offering other features to beat the Bezza

However my Myvi 1.3 MT getting about 2.8k-ish RPM at 90km/h, exactly 3k RPM at 100km/h

So the Persona actually slightly longer compared to Myvi... I read before someone says the Persona is capable hitting below 3k RPM at 110km/h... I do hope for a snapshot thou even I know it's dangerous... that's why I asked for Gear ratios instead tongue.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(croydon @ Sep 25 2016, 11:48 PM)
Thanks for the useful information!

so to be exact, 5th gear at 3k RPM should be getting around 102.82km/h which do sounds quite standard for a 5 speed manual...

The only unique part is the 1st to 4th gear seems pretty short, then suddenly a normal 5th overdrive which have quite much different to 4th gear.. I guess this gear ratio is the same set as the Iriz as I've seen Iriz owner complaining about the 5th gear ratio is too far away from 4th
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 26 2016, 05:38 AM)
very possible despite the proton badge and shitty silverstones.
test drive to believe laugh.gif
- have to refer/calculate gear ratios lo haha

- personally no issue with the throttle delay considering my experience on the manual inspira or even manual satria neo that ive had the privilege to drive in Sepang
yes, i would have to go with your thoughts on the stability and quietness of the car masked the feeling of acceleration tongue.gif

- agree on the shift lever, the whole center console was built with the cvt in mind and mind you i already thought the lever was hard to reach in p.
the manual had a saving grace with the knob being taller placed and the gating is really good.
DAMN we prolly test driven the same unit LOL!

they told me i couldn't whack the car when i asked cry.gif
i still managed to pull a few red line acceleration which i was given a bit of peptalk/explanation that the car's fate haven't been decided (whether showroom/or even god-forbid customer lol) sweat.gif
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Yeah, that's why I asked for the gear ratios instead, more accurate reading since most proton I drove before (Put aside old one like Iswara) tends to show faster speed reading by about 10km/h + - I guess this persona have the same trend as well and that's why not just user, even journalist reporting below 3k rpm at 110km/h

The test drive unit is it white color? He said customer booked the car, then decided upgrade to premium instead... Kesian MT sad.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 26 2016, 04:36 AM)
eh didn't get your Genting run review tongue.gif
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I thought I missed the review... now I see.... cool2.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 26 2016, 05:38 AM)

- personally no issue with the throttle delay considering my experience on the manual inspira or even manual satria neo that ive had the privilege to drive in Sepang
yes, i would have to go with your thoughts on the stability and quietness of the car masked the feeling of acceleration tongue.gif
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Ok lor.. since u said Inspira also like this... But really it could be just that I'm not used to drive by wire. Its the same on Bezza Thread, once they got the car they've been complaining on the poor acceleration with the given power to weight ratio, because its their first time driving car with DWB tech. So pretty much we just have to get used to it.

On a side note, I'm more frequent driving Myvi MT, the pedal is really sensitive which gives an impression that the car is very powderful and thanks to the poor handling as well.
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 26 2016, 10:30 PM)
mine was silver iinm
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Crap.. I think it's Silver... Too little time for me to experience the car.. Dem! you even get to spin at LDP while I just get to pusing pusing at the rear taman cry.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:18 PM

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Its ok bro, talking about the throttle problem I'm not sure is it because of the DBW, I do also feel the car have slight sluggish on the start, but after the pick up reached certain point, it goes really fast.. is it the car has poor low-end torque or what? And Yes, the acceleration I need to step more to get the power delivery I'm looking for, unlike the sensitive fuel pedal on the Myvi, however like I said earlier, it could be I have already got the acceleration I'm looking for, just the stability and sound insulation of the car masked the feeling.

And one thing I need your help to check, on FLX when I'm on gear like 4th gear, as long I'm cruising at RPM below 2k, there is some kind of engine vibration like telling you to downshift, even I'm not accelerating or going up hill... I suspect this is due to the absent of VVT because the Myvi I drove don't have this issue even my RPM is at just 1.5k

So does this kind of Vibration appear on the Persona?

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The sluggishness I felt is at startup from the moment the clutch bites, don't have that immediate pickup... but after a while the RPM rise quite fast.
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 26 2016, 10:43 PM)
just maybe i get to adapt to things a bit quicker or i'm just more complacent/content.

my iswara and kancil 660 and even nissan sentra in the household are cable for sure. my inspira was my first and only DBW, and my experiences with the satria neo/other DBW cars like iriz/persona i tested didn't really bother me that much.

YES there IS lag compared to cable, however with better ecu management/controlling the clutch (hurray manual!) one can definitely offset/compensate for the lag.

besides, when you're going fast already, you're not gonna bother about "stop-go" throttle lag, right? tongue.gif
https://youtu.be/sdH_sd2SDXM?t=2m23s
gogo rev matched downshifts (and yes i fucking hate the gear ratios and yes people actually do laugh at me greatly on my super slow shifting/rowing through the gears)
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I've tried Rev Matching heel to toe downshifts with the Myvi... its kinda hard for me... I drive like unker style mayb can match with T630

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 26 2016, 10:44 PM)
LDP straight road only sad.gif
with traffic somemore
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That's why they call it LDP,
Could be Laju Dan Pantas
Or Lambat Dan Perlahan

But my test drive duration really too short... sweat.gif
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post Sep 27 2016, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boss262 @ Sep 27 2016, 11:47 AM)
From what I experience, nothing sort of like that happened with my persona. It also doesn't happen with my Saga BLM, any clue though?
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Not sure how to describe thou... those vibration is quite annoying to me on the FLX when RPM is at around 1.5k or lower... it is some kind of vibration sound when you try to accelerate with old manual car at low RPM thats pretty bassy at a low frequency note.

QUOTE(Boss262 @ Sep 27 2016, 09:02 PM)
Saw a few FB post regarding persona involve in accident, broke my heart seeing new car like that involve in accident sad.gif
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Come share share.. I do feel heart broken if I see that...
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post Sep 28 2016, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 28 2016, 12:02 AM)
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wira langgar

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Dem... lost of words....
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post Sep 28 2016, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Eilrach @ Sep 28 2016, 09:10 PM)
Test drove  the Persona  twice and actually booked it a month ago. Was supposed to get the car last week after much delay but in the end I canceled it to get a Mazda 2 instead.

Initially I was only looking at the Persona and Honda City. Honestly speaking the Persona is very close to what the City offers. Very comfortable ride, spacious interior and that boot is so big. NVH is also really good, very quiet. And I actually like the design of Persona more than other b segment cars, especially the front. Felt it wasn't worth spending an extra 30k+ for the City.

Then I tested the Mazda 2 and immediately thought it was the best b segment for my wants and needs. Engine is loud sure and NVH  is pretty bad, rear seats is very cramp but the M2 is a driver's focused car and gosh  it rides so nice. And it has the best interior design in the segment, even better than some d segment cars.

Still I'd highly recommend the Persona
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Not sure how the new Mazda 2 differ to the previous version... the previous version really suck for rear passenger. I'm not a tall guy at just 170, but my hair still touches the roof sitting behind the driver seat which is really uncomfortable... I don't have tall hair as well... The drive is not up to my taste either... not sure hows the new one thou

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post Sep 28 2016, 11:32 PM

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Guys, I've heard 3 SA saying the Persona free service is using Mineral Oil and I have to top up for Semi or Fully... Are they even being informed properly? This will definitely affect the sales of Persona... Or just that my information of Semi Syn for free service is wrong?
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post Oct 2 2016, 11:58 PM

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U sudah booked? brows.gif

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post Oct 3 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 3 2016, 12:47 AM)
tarak duit buy sad.gif
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Ouch... other than this Persona are you eyeing any alternatives?

But seriously... at this price range this is the best bang of bucks if taking out Iriz... For 5 star, ESC, ABS comfort
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post Oct 3 2016, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(vincent818 @ Oct 3 2016, 10:19 AM)
thanks for support thumbup.gif  ,

welcome forumer to contact me for the special deal
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Too bad I'm unable to book from you due to time constrains... bye.gif
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post Oct 3 2016, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 3 2016, 05:32 PM)
i'd think lower roof will make things more camp haha
cheap proton also cannot get got what car to get oh?
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I think he meant the Persona exterior look cramp because the car is tall, even in fact it is wider than most of its rival..

Still have Iriz ma... but don't have 1.6 thou plus Inspira MT also no stock liao... which is also your ex sad.gif
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post Oct 4 2016, 10:46 PM

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Any FC report recently?

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