if you spend sometimes investigating the starters of such threads, you would realise that majority of these people are not HD DVD supporters. Just read their posting histories. I am amazed these people are not banned yet.

and may i ask what combo 'flippers' are you talking about. The thread was created sooo many times by BD fanboys even after it was pointed out SOOOO MANY times that combo is not flipper because you do not flip the disk. You either watch the Standard or the HD version. Why are you dessiminating FUD as the blu-ray fanboys are doing? A flipper is like a cassete withouthe auto reverse function. So please explain your intension on the flipper statement.

its not retarted at all. its logic and common sense. if a consumer doesnt have a HD DVD player, he/she only watches the standard version. No 'flipping' here. A HD DVD owner would NOT watch the standard dvd version especially the hd version and continously watching the standard version therefor the need for flipping. So again no flipping here. Any one with slight intelect would know that. .. soooo there is no instance for the combo disk to be a 'flipper'. Worst comes to worst, we have a weirdo wanting to watch standard version IMMEDIATELY after the HD version, yeah he would have to flip it. The worst applies to the same Blu-ray weirdo. He would need to do more than just flip then disk .. he would have to take about the BD disk, put it in the protective BD case. Take out the standard dvd from its case and insert it into the player. How MORE RETARDED is that?

and which titles would that be? titles with more feature in the standard version. whoohuuuuuu .. would be nice to check that one out

Toshiba's $999 HD XA2 HD DVD player beats Pioneer's $1,499 ELITE BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player in terms of upconverting standard dvd. And equal in hidef PQ. Oh further more, the HD XA2 decodes advance audio codec Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital TrueHD (unlike the BDP-HD1) .. oh the HD XA2 offers amazing HDi interactivity support too (unlike the BDP-HD1 which cant do the currently available BD-J movies). So why are we paying the extra $500 (RM1,850 without tax)? ...

and oh btw -- online retailers are now selling the HD XA2 players at $799. So why pay the extra $700 (RM2,590)?



http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/07/toshiba...d-xa2-reviewed/

HD Guru has a review up of Toshiba's second-generation HD DVD player, the HD-XA2, which they gave top ratings. This is the higher-end of the two new HD DVD Toshiba models, and gets high marks for its improvements on the previous model, with faster loading times, 1080p support, a smaller form factor, and a much-improved chipset for upscaling standard-definition DVDs (the HD-A2 lacks 1080p and the improved upscaling chip).

It includes the Silicon Optix Reon chip for converting your old library of DVDs into 1080p -- or any other resolution supported with the HDMI 1.3a connector -- and also supports the Deep Color space offered by the new HDMI specification, for improved color reproduction with compatible source material.

According to HD Guru's tests, the Toshiba did better than Pioneer's competing first-generation BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player on upconverting SD DVDs, while matching it on quality for high-definition content.

Unfortunately, while the prices and feature sets on both next-gen formats are getting better and better, even this second-gen player takes between 45 and 57 seconds to boot and play a movie. Maybe the third generation will treat us right.

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oh i know why ... the BDP-HD1 takes faster than between 45 and 57 seconds to boot and play a movie.

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Well well what do we have here. Blu-ray won the next gen format war YET AGAIN!! They won before the launch of HD DVD, they won the war again during CEDIA last, they announced that they WON AGAIN during the CES last month, this month they AGAIN, announce that they WON AGAIN !!

10 years ago, the mass would have already eaten those words but not today. Sorry!! Combining Sony and FOX ... wow that is unbeatable in terms of credibility. Wasnt Sony that said they are shipping 4mil of PS3 last year. Wasnt they were the one who claimed to be selling 6mil PS3 by march. March is just days away and there are 700K PS3 sold. Oh wasnt FOX that told America of the weapon of mass destruction and brought USA to war in Iraq ..



Sony says Blu-ray is winning format war

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8613.cfm

We reported a few days ago that figures from Nielsen VideoScan showed that Blu-Ray began to close its gap on HD DVD in January, outselling the format by a ratio of up to 3 to 1. Sony has been quick to use these figures along with its own research to declare the Blu-ray is winning the format war over HD DVD. As you might have guessed, Sony research also includes the PlayStation 3 (PS3).

Sony took an online survey that 100,000 PS3 owners took part in. The company claims that 90% of respondents had watched a Blu-ray movie with their PS3 already, and 80% planned to buy more Blu-ray releases. The Blu-ray camp has not been shy about admitting that PS3 plays a major role (if not the biggest) in Blu-ray's possible success over HD DVD.

The next-generation DVD format war has been so intertwined with the console war that experts believe they will decide the outcome of each other. The PS3 has an internal Blu-ray drive and Microsoft released an external HD DVD drive for the Xbox 360, selling 92,000 units before the end of 2006.

The PS3 will boost up the number of Blu-ray players in homes, but each Xbox 360 add-on drive sold has "definitely" been bought to play HD DVD movies - you get a Blu-ray player with a PS3 whether you are interested or not. Those on the HD DVD side will tell you that Sony's survey is just a "survey" and nothing solid or official and that VideoScan's ratings can be explained by the lack of new HD DVD titles.

However, those on the Blu-ray side can rest assured that the console will continue to sell, eventually leaving millions of homes with functional Blu-ray players and no add-ons necessary.


This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 8 2007, 04:53 AM

what is coming out in Summer? I dont need names... just rumorish statements would do I like gossip ...

oh ... i hope its not a sarcacism ...

I will always root for cheaper yet with better feature products.

oh one more :: complete with video .. one how much consumers who are tricked into supporting Blu-ray will regret their action. Its all about Sony as the hardware company, as the content company .... and we are absolutely certain with that combination, consumer's interest is not their priority. Withou HD DVD, consumers wont even see managed copy in Blu-ray.

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So, BD+ was a complete failure. But the plan to implement additional DRM is one example of how the Blu-ray Disc Association does what it can to get on the side of the studios. DRM is not good folks, there's a principle at stake here.

It was a smart strategy to get your format ahead of the other guy. But where does that leave the consumer? Average Joes like us who want to do the coolest stuff possible with a true next generation disc format are liable to be left off the BDA's innovation train. The BDA's unwillingness to support Vista features like Mandatory Managed Copy and iHD seems to be for no other reason than it wants to oppose Microsoft (which supports HD DVD).

Honestly, I'm not taking sides in the "format war". I think it's dragging down the Home Theater industry as a whole. The wisest dollars aren't taking sides until there is one format. But, I question why Sony would bother implementing innovative new ideas in the future of Blu-ray. Buying into Blu-ray seems a bit like hiring a fox to guard the hen house.

Welcome to the first Tunnel Vision that will feature rants and raves from inside Consumer Electronics.


http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo_cafe_.../08/106130.aspx

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Added on February 9, 2007, 3:04 amoh dont worry if hd dvd is dead. HD DVD players unconvert consumers DVD library better some of the Blu-ray titles .. especially the earlier releases ..

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Added on February 9, 2007, 3:06 amand with digital DL of HD movies becoming the trend ... expensive optical disk and with rediculously priced player will suffer more. Amazon, XBox, Apple n now Walmart and HP .. every body is doing digital download ...

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another oh .. Sega is releasing Virtua Tennis 3 XBox 360 in 1080p. EA will be releasing NBA Street Homecourt also in 1080p. On DVD! So why pay $200 (RM740) for BD drive in PS3 again? The 50GB storage?

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/2/8/6956

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1080p is the resolution of the gods. Promised by Sony, attainable by few displays, and argued about all over the Internet, 1080p is something that doesn't affect many television owners while remaining a major sticking point in the current console wars. Microsoft gave the 360 the ability to run games in 1080p in the October firmware update, and frankly I never thought we'd see many games support it. Then of course Sega announced that Virtua Tennis would support 1080p on the 360, and now EA is on the bandwagon, saying that its game is also going to support the hallowed resolution:

Following yesterday's news that Sega's March 20 release of Virtua Tennis 3 would herald the first Xbox 360 game to feature native 1080p support, a representative from Electronic Arts has revealed to Gamasutra that its upcoming NBA Street Homecourt, shipping a month earlier on February 20, will also support the high end resolution on Xbox 360...

The fourth game in the EA's fast action basketball series, and the first for a next-gen console, NBA Street Homecourt will support multiple resolutions, including 16:9 1080p at 30fps, according to further information from EA representatives.

So there you go. Now we have two games coming out for the 360 that will support 1080p as a resolution. My question would be-outside of the hardcore console fans and bleeding edge consumers-do people really care about 1080p? Does your television support it? My television runs at 720p natively, so this is all academic to me. I like games to be playbe at 1080p, but it's not that much of a sticking point for me. Does it influence your buying decisions? Will you be more likely to buy a game with more titles that run in "True HD?"

^ might point .. 1080p title on dvd disks ..

read oredi

thanks

you can always use more than 1 emoticons. i bet they all look extremely cute together

house ? 20 story condo wor ... poor people from other units/floors

yeah .. poor them ...

wow -- that cant be a good view. reminding me of 911 minus the 'dignity' part .

Sounds like a song from an Aussie band to me

The Covenant (Sony Pictures Entertainment) received a 5 star PQ (picture quality) rating .. i can only remember this one. let me check on other titles. and post the link to the Blu-ray and HD DVD title list - complete with PQ rating, audio feature, type of disk and MSRP for USA.

yupe the movie is terrible but PQ is good.. what to do .. As i have put it, the movie is like another movie is the 'boys in underwear' genre.

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Added on February 10, 2007, 9:05 amDate Title St DT VC PQ Audio Subs ICT Price
01/02 Covenant S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
01/09 Crank L DL M 4.5 DTH/DD ES 38.95
01/16 Clerks II O 2DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Employee of the Month L SL A 3 DTH/DD ES 38.95
Goodfellas W DL V 4 DD+ EFS 28.95
Gridiron Gang S DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
Lucky Number Slevin O ES
Mummy Returns U DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Poseidon W DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Pulse O DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Resident Evil: Apocalypse S SL M PCM/DD ES+ 38.95
Scooby-Doo W SL V 4.5 DD EFS 28.95
Scooby-Doo W DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Sting, The U DL V 3.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
01/23 Alice Cooper at Montreux O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Alien vs. Predator F DL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Black Rain P DL V 4.5 DD+/DTS EFS 29.95
Black Rain P DL M 4.5 DTS/DD EFS 29.95
Brokeback Mountain U DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Casanova D DL 34.95
Chicago D DL A 4 PCM/DD ES 34.95
Courage Under Fire F SL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Guardian D DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS 34.95
Hitchhiker's Guide D DL 34.95
Manchurian Candidate 2004 P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
Men of Honor F SL M 4.5 DTMA EFS 39.98
Saw II (Unrated) L SL A 3.5 DTH/DD ES 29.95
Saw III L SL A 4 DTH/DD ES 39.95
Toto in Amsterdam O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
We Were Soldiers P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
01/30 Beerfest W V DD+ EFS 28.95
Beerfest W V DD EFS 28.95
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Flyboys F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Half Baked U DC V DD+ EFS 34.95
Hart's War F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Open Season S SL A PCM/DD EFS 38.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DTHD/DD+ EFS 28.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DD EFS 28.95
World's Fastest Indian O
02/06 American Psycho L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95 First Blood L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95
Hollywoodland U DC V DD+ EF 39.98
Reservoir Dogs L M DTH/DD E 29.95
Running with Scissor

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Added on February 10, 2007, 9:06 amDate Title St DT VC PQ Audio Subs ICT Price
01/02 Covenant S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
01/09 Crank L DL M 4.5 DTH/DD ES 38.95
01/16 Clerks II O 2DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Employee of the Month L SL A 3 DTH/DD ES 38.95
Goodfellas W DL V 4 DD+ EFS 28.95
Gridiron Gang S DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
Lucky Number Slevin O ES
Mummy Returns U DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Poseidon W DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Pulse O DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Resident Evil: Apocalypse S SL M PCM/DD ES+ 38.95
Scooby-Doo W SL V 4.5 DD EFS 28.95
Scooby-Doo W DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Sting, The U DL V 3.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
01/23 Alice Cooper at Montreux O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Alien vs. Predator F DL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Black Rain P DL V 4.5 DD+/DTS EFS 29.95
Black Rain P DL M 4.5 DTS/DD EFS 29.95
Brokeback Mountain U DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Casanova D DL 34.95
Chicago D DL A 4 PCM/DD ES 34.95
Courage Under Fire F SL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Guardian D DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS 34.95
Hitchhiker's Guide D DL 34.95
Manchurian Candidate 2004 P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
Men of Honor F SL M 4.5 DTMA EFS 39.98
Saw II (Unrated) L SL A 3.5 DTH/DD ES 29.95
Saw III L SL A 4 DTH/DD ES 39.95
Toto in Amsterdam O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
We Were Soldiers P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
01/30 Beerfest W V DD+ EFS 28.95
Beerfest W V DD EFS 28.95
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Flyboys F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Half Baked U DC V DD+ EFS 34.95
Hart's War F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Open Season S SL A PCM/DD EFS 38.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DTHD/DD+ EFS 28.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DD EFS 28.95
World's Fastest Indian O
02/06 American Psycho L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95 First Blood L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95
Hollywoodland U DC V DD+ EF 39.98
Reservoir Dogs L M DTH/DD E 29.95
Running with Scissors S DL M PCM/DD 38.95
Tailor of Panama S DL M PCM/DD E 28.95
Young Guns L
02/13 Broken Arrow F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Chain Reaction F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Chronos O 24.99
Departed W CO V DD+ EFS 39.99
Departed W V DD EFS 34.99
Entrapment F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Ladder 49 D DL 34.95
Marine F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Phone Booth F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Planet of the Apes (2001) F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Reign of Fire D 34.95
Sentinel F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Usual Suspects F SL M DTMA EFS 39.98

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Added on February 10, 2007, 9:07 am2007 titles: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....t=766588&page=1
2006 titles: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=665702

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 10 2007, 09:07 AM

you just BD's grave with this quote

There is a reason why Double Layer BD disk replication cost is not included. There is a reason why the article discounted the talks of Steve Hirsch from Vivid about the cost of authoring (which again ommited in the article) and replication cost (which according to him Authoring 4x Replication 3x more on BD) yet they believe 100% of the statement that Vivid is producing an adult title on Blu-ray (both cost and BD adult title availability were made on the same article) yet supporters accept the latter and dismissing the former .. strange isnt it ...

and btw -- those cost figure are non subsidised HD DVD vs subsidised BD cost. The cost revealed by Steve Hirsch was not subsidised !!

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Added on February 11, 2007, 2:17 amand take this because of the extremely high cost of BD especially the double layer disks, both HD DVD/ and single layer BD movie titles MSRP are increased to the level of the DL BD movie cost. Another 'possitive' for the consumers ..

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Added on February 11, 2007, 2:19 amand another oh ... please check the MSRP of BD vs HD DVD movies .. dont be surprised, you have been warned

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 11 2007, 02:19 AM

you are most welcome

pasar malam dvd - quality vcd .. i dont think pirates give a f*** about PQ .. they wont bother with BD or HD DVD ..