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TSstringfellow
post Feb 9 2007, 04:21 AM

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Im all for competition, bruddah! It keeps people on their toes.....occasionally people slip while tiptoeing around, while holding their lampu minyak tanah, and ended up burning their own house. Now THAT's when the debate becomes a sitcom! laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:36 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Feb 9 2007, 04:28 AM)
house ? 20 story condo wor ... poor people from other units/floors
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LOL these people stay in condos now? Fits the hive-mind mentallity,singularity works within the hive! laugh.gif And oh,if the bottom floors are burning, dont jump
ship, just jump down. Staying steadfast to your "faith" is a much more swallowable punishment for arsonic negligence like this. laugh.gif

QUOTE(almostthere @ Feb 9 2007, 04:33 AM)
Not to mention the pak guard shif malam
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Even pak guard duduk diam2 tepi swimming pool pun terbakar cotar dia! Abu serpih jatuh dari tingkat 20, semua cover dari HD-DVD woh! Ada The Hulk, ada King Kong.... laugh.gif

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post Feb 9 2007, 04:43 AM

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No i dont. No PM in my box.

What argument, we're describing scenes from the movie "Towering Inferno" here. laugh.gif And from Warner on HD-DVD too! I wonder if they want to stay on this version of "Towering Inferno" too or jump ship. laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:53 AM

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Poor the still-using-DVD folks at the bottom of the condo, they are looking up to their much enlightened HD-DVD brethren on the higher floors and saw jumpers galore! laugh.gif Not to mention hair, bodyparts and dignity on fire! laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:58 AM

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Yup, crash and burn. Not a good sight.....especially those coming out wanting. wink.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 01:53 PM

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Wouldnt know really, i reckon you should know better about this "crash and burn" thing. laugh.gif
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post Feb 10 2007, 03:11 PM

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Those wanting the real deal about deciding which has better PQ/IQ, head over to Mediaplex KLCC. All this talk on forums and relying on people's opinions on which has better PQ/IQ will be rendered moot when you see it with your own eyes. Isnt it better to see it for yourself than relying on infos from people who apparently dont even have HDDVD capable players to draw their judgement from? wink.gif

The proof is in the eye of the beholder, you can pick sides if you want, but picking sides when you dont even have a HD-DVD player to draw your opinions from? That is the epitome of overzealousness. At least some of us have actual hardware to draw opinions upon, or have seens proofs of these next-gen formats running before our eyes to draw our conclusions. Peace! icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on February 10, 2007, 6:48 pm"Bluray cost replication too high" myth BUSTED!

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Blu-ray vs HD DVD replication costs revealed
The blue wars are on!
The war between the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats is still in full swing. Each next generation format camp has heavy hitting supporters from powerful tech companies around the world. Each side of the war also has their fans, supporters, proponents and dedicated enthusiasts. Debates, opinions and arguments are flying all over the net over who will "win" this next generation format war.


The cost issue
I decided to take a look at one of the oldest standing issues in the blue laser format wars, the difference in cost between Blu-ray and HD DVD disc production (also known as replication). The topic of Blu-ray vs HD DVD production cost has long been a highly debated and frequently brought up issue in the format battle. HD DVD supporters are quite often found stating that "Blu-ray costs more" to manufacture than HD DVD. But how much more and why does Blu-ray have an increased cost? The reason most often put forward is that "Blu-ray production requires completely new hardware", while HD DVD media can be produced by modifying existing DVD manufacturing hardware. But is there a significant cost difference? Is Blu-ray replication really that much more expensive than HD DVD replication? I certainly did not believe that Blu-ray was 3 or 4 times more expensive than HD DVD, as claimed by Vivid Entertainment. I spoke with optical disc industry contacts and researched online to find the following Blu-ray vs HD DVD replication costs. The results might surprise you.

Plant #1 replication costs
My confidential industry source revealed that one large replication company is currently charging approximately $1.15 per single layer HD DVD (15GB) and $1.30 per single layer Blu-ray Disc (25GB), assuming a quantity of 25,000. For comparison purposes, a run of 25,000 Dual Layer DVD (DVD9) discs would cost about $0.50 per disc at this same facility. DL HD DVD (30GB) was right inline with SL Blu-ray (25GB) pricing, but an exact figure was not provided. This translates to a cost of approximately $0.077 per GB on HD DVD SL media and $0.052 per GB on Blu-ray SL media.

Plant #2 replication costs (Blu-ray only)
I received quotes on Blu-ray single layer (25GB) replication at plant #2 between $1.35-$1.45 USD per disc on runs of 25K or more. Blu-ray DL (50GB) was quoted between $2.15 - $2.25 per disc on a 25,000 quantity run. Taking the high end on this range, this translates to approximately $0.045 per GB for Blu-ray DL media.

Replication reseller costs (ProActionMedia)
One of the only replication companies that actually lists their pricing publicly is ProActionMedia and we found the following replication costs listed on their website. Their prices were significantly higher than the private, customer-only quotes that we received from the other 2 replication plants. I have included images here that break down the ProActionMedia pricing for Blu-ray and HD DVD.



Sticking with the 25,000 run quantity, we can see that ProActionMedia is quoting $1.59 per disc for Blu-ray SL (25GB), $1.45 per HD DVD SL (15GB) and $1.69 per HD DVD DL (30GB). This translates to approximately $0.064 per GB for Blu-ray SL, $0.097 per GB for HD DVD SL and $0.056 per GB for HD DVD DL.

Cost comparison conclusions
From these figures taken from 3 different replication sources, we can see that Blu-ray media replication does not cost significantly more than HD DVD. In fact, we found that Blu-ray is actually cheaper per GB in many situations! It is also interesting to note that at this point, most HD DVD-ROM movies are DL, while most BD-ROM movies are SL, which would make HD DVD more expensive to replicate in most situations. I did not include fees associated with authoring, setup, AACS protection, packaging and other costs in the quotes above, so keep in mind that the final cost of replicating an HD DVD or Blu-ray disc will definitely be a bit higher than the per disc pricing noted above. Also, according to our sources, the Blu-ray setup fee is only slightly more than the HD DVD setup fee, but it depends on the specific manufacturing plant. Looking at these numbers and pricing information, we can now dispell the myth that Blu-ray replication is significantly more costly than HD DVD.
HD-DVD camp running out of ammo already! rclxms.gif

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post Feb 15 2007, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Feb 15 2007, 01:05 PM)
Some pasar malam DVD have very good PQ ONLY if u know how and which to buy.
My point in the previous post is - we average joe dun farking care about those HDVCD/blutis ray. Normal but widely available DVD is already sufficient for our small 32 incher unless all those HD stuff is as cheap as current-gen stuff.
Plz recall back, DVD dun really take-off until players with the price tags of RM500 emerged, and they dun need HDMI-oh-so-expensive cable.

Just my RM0.02, dun flame me.
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Somebody needs to take the first steps, so that average Joes like you can enjoy the technology at cheaper rates later. Obviously you are not an early adopter, but please bear in mind, that if it is not for those who adopted the technology early and allow the tech to flourish, you will never get it mass-produced for it to drop down to comfortable prices for you to buy, wouldnt it?. Or are you happy with staying stagnant? New tech will always be expensive, but pricetags will drop once the market has decided to back which camp, and proceed with mass production.

In the end, average Joes like you still need to know which DVD players to buy and what features they come with, once you are comfortable buying one, isnt it? Same case here, once the Bluray/HD-DVD winner is decided. It is just that this thread monitors which format will likely to succeed DVD, once the dust settles. You cannot stop technology, otherwise the phones you are selling now would be those crappy StarTacs and huge ATURs now, would it? I surprised, for someone "in the business of selling technology" like you ,these kind of logic should have set in mind. wink.gif


Added on February 15, 2007, 6:13 pm

You post has merits, Pip-X. Let's keep the thread civil. Just remember, boys and girls:-

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That includes smarty-pants one-liners as well.

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post Feb 16 2007, 03:24 PM

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Here we go again....

HD Xvid versus HD off VC-1 or MPEG2 at HD-DVD/Bluray higher bitrate are two totally different beasts altogether, but if you are willing to compromise picture/audio quality for something you downloaded off the net, then it's your personal preference. BTW, that troll picture is not for you, Pip-x, it was for someone else, scroll back for his lack-of-imagination one-liners. Nothing to do with what he stands, rather than his next-to-zero content in his every posts in this thread. wink.gif

Carry on, i've too many other things on my mind to get involved in petty things like this. But im hopeful that im getting my HD-XA2 by the end of this month, to totally chuck my aging upscaling DVD player out.
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post Feb 16 2007, 03:37 PM

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No apology needed. It's the way the forum blended two posts together if you post them one after another than makes it look like im posting it in response to you. Time will tell which format would succeed DVD as the next medum of choice.
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post Mar 10 2007, 04:24 AM

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Wow, had to dig this thread from the gutters just to see the last potshot made by opposing zealots here. Anyway, my HD-XA2 is finally shipping next Monday, and should be here in less than 7 business days after that. First destination would be at Mediaplex KLCC for a few days up to a week, before it goes into my own private usage. Wanna see how the coveted DVD upscaling capabilities that was said that "put standalone video scalers worth thousands of dollars to shame". Gonna gather the best looking DVDs with good transfers (LOTR Extended, and Star Wars Old and New Trilogies) to see if the upscaling capabilites is up to the task. Once it arrives, anyone is free to drop by Mediaplex for the playtest.

The player:-

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The specs:-

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpassets-ima...hd-xa2_spec.pdf

The bottom line:-

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....87&page=1&pp=30
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Bottom line-- there is NO REASON TO BUY AN EXTERNAL VIDEO PROCESSOR if you buy the XA2. Not only did it match in virtually all the tests and visual observations the Gennum VXP chip in the Crystallio II VP but in some cases was VISUALLY SUPERIOR. The Toshiba XA2 is without a doubt the best upscaling SD DVD player that I have ever seen. It certainly leaves me depressed about the money I spent a month ago on the CII.
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post Mar 10 2007, 05:23 AM

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The 5 FREE HD-DVDs are staying with my beloved in CA. She's the one handling the shipping from Newport, OC. She already have her XA2, im burning with jealousy when i was talking to her on Live with Live Vision on.....ARRGGHHH! HD-EnVY!!!! cry.gif
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post Mar 10 2007, 12:09 PM

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Ahahahah, yeah the money transfer was problematic. I ditched Shoplift and went to the retailer my beloved got hers from and true enough, everything went smooth like butter from there. I strongly suggest you DONT go the Shoplift route, their customer support is horrible!
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post Mar 10 2007, 12:33 PM

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Good prices for shipping but horrible price to pay for customer support. I'd pay more for a reliable lifeline in this kind of situation!

As for the new store, it's Crutchfield. Once i figure that i can use the help of my beloved in CA, it's easy. Crutchfield provides free shipping in CA., but from their shipping FAQ, would take at least 4 days for the free shipping to her place. Im thinking if i should take the free shipping option or rush it via courier. They do offer international orders, but they can only ship local, a.k.a US permanent addresses.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-g0YGTSm3NzP/c....asp?i=052HDXA2

The free 5 HD-DVDs deal is there too, but she's get it to thank her for her willingness to help me get this for me. smile.gif

Tekken is always nice, and err....WTF is bohsong?

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post Mar 10 2007, 11:48 PM

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What dialect is that bohsong? As for the shipping thing, it's the lattter. I love her for that....and more of course. tongue.gif
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post Mar 12 2007, 02:51 PM

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Thank the heavens! I got my thread back! *hugs thread* Thanks arj!

Next info out will be anything regarding sales of these physical medias and its standalone players. Other informations are not welcomed here.
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post Mar 12 2007, 03:08 PM

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Can you get 1080i? That may provide some insight on how much improvement these two formats give.
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post Mar 12 2007, 03:47 PM

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Warner, being format neutral has come up with TotalHD, one side Bluray, the other HD-DVD. Me? I think there's room for both HD-DVD and Bluray to coexist.
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post Mar 15 2007, 03:09 PM

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Just finished watching Casino Royale Bluray. Awesome transfers and features as well. The scenes in Venice and the lonesome mansion at the seaside near the end has the most eye-popping detail you can imagine. Great title to showcase bluray on your system.
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post Mar 15 2007, 03:56 PM

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Opted for the fastest shipping available. Went from Kentucky to HK in one day, and flew to KL on the same day as well. Got it this morning. I wished Amazon would extend their Amazon Prime privileges to customers outside continental US. sad.gif

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