If you recall your Video Game History 101, the PS2 too was bought during its first initial launch for its DVD playing capabilities. It's most bought after software? The DVD movie The Matrix. Are you saying history is about to repeat itself with that comment of yours?

Just because it plays movies well, doesnt mean the games arent coming. PS2 proves that to the naysayers last time, killing Dreamcast along with it.

Java 1.1 coming soon, my friend. Until Warner actually announces any speck of information on releases of the Matrix trilogy discs, they remain neutral, as in support for both formats.

But since we're playing the movie-support-what-format-game, .........Star Wars Hexalogy, on Bluray ONLY, while the HD-DVD folks are clamoring for petitions to plead 20th CEntury Fox to come over to HD-DVD via PetitionOnline . The End.

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Added on February 3, 2007, 2:43 amJust to add salt to the wound as well, out of curiosity, try Google the title for the highest sellind DVD title of all time, and see what you get. If the record still holds, and i believe with the number it had made, it would be about a little clown fish living on the reef with his clown fish dad. And guess what? Bluray EXCLUSIVE , baby!. That if you want to go by the numbers and by past history.

If you wanna go with the present and the foreseeable future, what exclusives again Universal is holding against the Disneys (Pixars, Pirates), Sony Columbia Tristar (Spider-Mans), Fox (Star Wars Hexalogy), just to name a few.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 3 2007, 02:43 AM

Ahahahah, the HD-DVD camp jumping up and down over a movie like "Underworld"? You can quote me this, as well as to the bank that "you will never see the big hitters go to the opposite camp". Something as trivial as "Underworld" may slip past conventional film studio segragation outside of MPAA jurisdiction in countries like Spain, but i dont see Spain being the main consumer of all things next-gen discs, do you? The battle will be decided in the land of Uncle Sam, provided the pirates didnt get to them first.

You still hadnt addressed the fact that Bluray b****slapped HD-DVD in sales 3 to1 in the latest Nielsen Videoscan data culling. Bluray's studio numbers advantage is slowly rearing its beautiful head,while the HD-DVD camp rejoice for victory over trickling oftitlesonce thought exclusive toBluray,then coming over to their side....how sad! While HD-DVD could scamper on with titles like "Underworld" to giggle over, try facing against the volume of 5 studios against its own 1. Disney may love HDi and gogaga over HD-DVD's IME features, but once Java 1.1 comes to fruition, there is no turning back. It is just a matter of time,and once time hits summer 2007,and all the pieces of the big picture falls into place, i'd say even Disney's offering alone could demolish HD-DVD's frail grasps on living past that point in time.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 3 2007, 12:12 PM

Touchy,touchy! I was merely addressing the brought up fact that someone here was commenting the PS3 being a media player first and gaming machine later,and pointed out that PS2 was the same case 7 years ago, even though this has absolutely no bearings whatsoever in the current format war . Didnt have anything to bring to the table? Dip below the table and have table scraps.

Interesting point there g5sim,from that point of view, Bluray has a lot of catching up to do. Now this is what the threads needs,more graphs and numbers, than someone deftly and baitingly pretend to be sad for the PS3 as a media player.

On one side, we have IME/U-Control which i absolutely love and adore, and on the other side, the movie titles that i most probably want, that most probably will appear only on one format, unless Warner's TotalHD format takes off. When push comes to shove, I think i'll take the movies over the special features/extras although time will tell if this gen's HD format will provide immersive interactive experience with its extras. Question is, will the solitary case of "Underworld Evolution" happens to flagship titles like "Finding Nemo", " Spider-Man 2" or "Star Wars Episode III"? You be the judge.

P/s: The holy grail of video game has not been reduced to a mere media player, that is part of its function. Deal with it.

How does that make me non-partial? By defending the PS3 when its credibility is attacked for its made-to-be-used function as a media player? I'll defend them(keyword:plural) appropriately when they are sniped at unfairly. Wii actually gets most of my playtime, than the 360 or the PS3.

I thought you're the one with the witty side here, you of all person should know that the "holy grail" statement was directed to our dear friend Redken here for classifying the PS3 as the supposed "Holy Grail". I certainly didnt use that term. I then replied back to his claims by using back the term he use. Maybe if i put these " " between the word "holy grail", you'd get the gist of things, but that would only debase you as being a more less-wittier version of your current self, and i certainly dont want to do that to you.

I may like one console more over the others, but wouldnt it be stupid that i buy these consoles just to keep up with being neutral, as you claimed? I have better things to do with my dough, thanks. I'd like to hear about your next conspiracy theory though, you seem to be churning them out in bucketloads now.

But guess what? This thread aint about the PS3s, and the 360s. It is about the Blurays and the HD-DVDs. And the thread title says "Definitive HD-DVD/Bluray Sales" now isnt it? Dont want to start thinking you have trouble reading but the one who brought those consoles into the equation here aint me, brother.

P/S: This may come off wrong, but im thankful i had the chance to enjoy all three of them. Dont think i bought the 360s (yes, two of them) out of spite or to put out a neautrality facade, nor with the PS3 and the Wii either. Dont think i had the games for the 360 (majority on the 360 by the way) just because i hate the console now, is it? If you follow that line of thought, i would definitely dont favour the PS3 much. It's the potential, and whats in store for them that kept me keeping them. None of these consoles are holy grails to me, it's the GAMES that are the real Grail here. Being a console fanboy is like losing out on eating out all the wonderful foods the world has to offer, and you choose to only eat fish. Sorry, my taste buds are yearning.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 4 2007, 01:12 AM

That why, you need to see the history of why this thread was here. It was in response of all the news about Bluray and HD-DVDs stuff that was posted on this section, because LYN lack any section that caters to videophiles. The closest that LYN has is the Audiophile section, and that too seems awkward since, it would be discussing the multitude of audio codecs that comes with the arrival of these new formats. Which appropriate section on LYN are you talking about here?

If you're done deflecting the issue at hand, can we get back to the topic? I know everywhere i post, people like to turn whatever i post into their own personal quest to bash my head in, but let's not turn this thread into anything personal, shall we? It wasnt about the console in the first place, read the very first thread , there wasnt any reference to consoles at all. Someone else brought consoles into the equation here with his futile attempt to embarass the PS3 , but embarassed himself instead. So, if you have run out of ammo, can we move along here? Deal with it!

G5sim, Bluray is SOny, but it is also a collaboration of those within its consortium. It is just that the convoluted mess that is the BDA that may have not clearly define which entity is within the BDA that may have made Pioneer printing Bluray as being Sony alone there, since they are the sure entity within the BDA.

If Disney is not on of the main proponent in bluray, why are they (BDA) hyping up Disney's announcement at CES about this summer releases of their blockbuster titles?

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Added on February 4, 2007, 12:44 pmA question to G5sim, since you frequent AVSForums too......what's going on in the HD-DVD section of the forum? Seems like they are running around all panicky like headless chickens!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 4 2007, 12:44 PM

Care to post some links? I'd like to see where the more rational HD-DVDs folks reside in their section, and which thread shows the backpedalling of BD people. Maybe i skimmed through the first pages of HD-DVD, but last i left there, there were whinings about how HD-DVD not pushing out their titles more compared to the influx of numerous BD titles coming now. Also some kind of petition to Warner about the conspiracy theory of them wanting to maintain their neutrality and launching their titles on both HD-DVD and Bluray, but Bluray hitting snags on the development of BDJ and that delayed the HD-DVD title releases as well. Links, please?

Links please?

Links for that, especially the threads where the more rational HD-DVD folks are hanging out.

Huh? That's where i always go! But when the HD-DVD section is filled with threads about boycotting HD-DVD over the low volume of new releases, anal-retentive HD-DVD supporters not buying titles because they are combo flippers, and planning petitions to Warner to debunk conspiracy theories about late released because of BDJ, is hardly a show of confidence in my books.

Take a look at the HD-DVD Software section, and see the ridiculousness of some of the HD-DVD buyers (i will write "buyer" here, since you say they might be Bluray supporters in disguise) not wanting to buy any of the projexted new titles because they are on combo discs, ie SD DVD on one side, HD-DVD on the other. Reason being, you need to flip it over to watch both parts of the movie, ie HD-DVD side for the movie, and SD side for the extras. How retarded is that?

And which part of my post before you posted there are FUDs? Those things i posted are the thread titles at the HD-DVD Software forum section, for God sake! If that section of the forum is a mess, im calling it as it is. I wouldnt know about conspiracy theories and such that you pointed out.

Dude , are you in your own contained universe or are you even reading what i wrote? These HD-DVD folks who refuses to buy these new HD-DVD releases just because they are on combos! The rest uses the flipper excuse because they claimed that to see the extras , you need to flip over to the SD side. I certainly did not claim this, the folks at THAT thread does! Read first before proclaiming anything.

For someone who is supposed to be calm and rational as you claimed to be, you certainly FLIP OUT at the smallest instances or comments that you would perceive damaging to your precious HD-DVD. I was quoting the thread content here, not spreading FUD or belittling anything. Just that for whatever rationalizing you claim these HD-DVD people are, it seems that they arent that rational at all, when they refuses to buy HD-DVDs just because they are on combo discs and because they had to flip to the SD side to watch the extras. Now these arent my own words, these are the words of those folks at the said thread there, so dont kill the messenger. Dont get emotionally attached to your favourite format too either.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 6 2007, 02:27 PM

Continue the good fight, dear G5sim. A little birdie told me that something's looming coming this summer.

Dont wanna feed the fire, i'll let those impending looming things speak for themselves. Have fun, it will be shortlived.

Im off to enjoy my Complete Saw, currently High Definition only on Bluray.

Dude, i was just saying im enjoying my Saw movies now, why do you have to go on a spastic/spasmic convulsion like your previous post? Im sorry but i like my movies like NOW, and sad to say, it's on Bluray. Have fun waiting for your HD-DVD movies, i sincerely mean that.

I hope HD-DVD continue being the competitor so that the BDA folks can continue keep things in check, pumping out good movies, in the end consumers like me won because more movies for us to enjoy. Sadly though, none of the current HD-DVD releases are exciting enough for me to warrant a purchase. Cant say the same about the Bluray titles though.

Errr what does this have to do with HD-DVD/Bluray? Are your machineguns running out of ammo, that you're now shoving stale popcorns into your gun barrels?

2 insignificant tiles, compared to MetalGear Solid 4 on PS3, on the Bluray no less. The house of all things MS went deathly quiet about Kojima-san mention of MGS4 requiring 50Gb Blurays, sure didnt hear a peep out of you that time.

Read responses in your double posted new thread. Rolling on the floor had never taken a literal meaning on me, till you showed up with that new topic of yours!

I swear to God, i never had so much fun reading such quality posts from you ...right up till that golden post/topic of yours. I should thank you for those stomach-bursting hilarity, but what's even funnier, you did it all in the name of your overzealousness to downplay the Bluray....and it bit you back in the arse! ROFLMAO! Ahahahahahahhhhahahahhhh..... *gasps for air*

News headline: An overzealous <insert camp> fanatic went over his head on his lifelong crusade to crush <insert opposing camp> faction, and found himself in shame for his blissful ignorance. The said fanatic tucked his tail between his feet and limps lifelessly home after putting out the raging fires that's the result of his feverish attempts to attack the <insert opposing camp> with his mortar and firey catapults, but backfired and set his own <insert camp> on fire. Hilarity and forever exemplification of said incident ensues.

God, if only LYN has one of those ROFLMAO emotes in, there isnt a big or expressive enough emotes that can describe how i feel right now! Priceless!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 9 2007, 04:12 AM

More is not necessary good, especially when you think you adding more fuel to the attack, but your fuse is short and end up blowing up your own camp.....for example, speaking of that burning house thread....