5-0 still mean something. Let's see which team will turn up in this weekend against spurs.

And sold Brad Smith

Anyway the game yesterday was not the best yardstick. But it was good for players like Origi and Sturridge to get off the mark for the season and also for Can and Matip to get a decent run out. If Can's ankle no problem, i would want him to start against Spurs this weekend. Alongside Hendo/Wijnaldum/Milner? Who knows? Only Klopp i guess

brad smith is even worse defensively than moreno

but i guess we have to resign to the fact that the LB position has been cursed for awhile.
our last few LB have been ppl like enrique, aurelio, insua, dossena...
tho dossena will always be remembered for his much famous strike against MU playing as a left winger...and of cos aurelio for making half the stadium dissapear

always remember aurelio for his freekicks though. esp that one vs chelsea

All the time? All he has to do is pass the ball to Coutinho and we all know how many long shot he takes every game. This generalization doesn't change the fact that statistics can be cherry picked to serve a narrative, that he is good offensively which I don't think he is. In fact, Clyne while he goes forward less often than Moreno, he puts in better crosses especially late last season and so far this season.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: Aug 24 2016, 06:04 PM

and how is couts doing air balls any fault of moreno?
hence chances created...
and with more chances created obviously becomes assists if converted... of which moreno had a total of 8 last season...while clyne only had 2.

I'm not saying it's his fault. I'm talking about the quality of these supposed chances created. These statistics can be misleading depending on their standards.

Player A can make the simplest of passes to Player B to which Player B then dribbles past 10 players to score a goal, this is ONE assist.

Player C can dribble past 10 players and passes to Player D, this is still ONE assist.

My point is not all statistics are equal and can be inflated to mislead.

Good win. On the same time two players got injured. Can with ankle injury and Origi had a cramp. Hope its not too serious. we need full fit Can to battle against Spurs Wanyama and Eric Dier...

just fyi, technically those don't fall under assists.
feel free to check the rules.

I can tell you for sure that there is technically no official standard or rules for the criteria of an assist which reinforces my point, statistics can vary due to a lack of standard therefore leading to a misleading conclusion.

Just to clarify, by no official standard I meant official standard of the game adopted by FIFA. I'm sure there is a set of criteria for statistical records for the Premier League but that is their own standard. Not only do this standard differ between leagues, it also differs between those 3rd party statistics tracking websites like Opta and WhoScored. So depending on where you source your info from, that's where the variation is.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: Aug 24 2016, 10:23 PM

regardless it doesn't change the fact that hes still useful, and klopp also thinks the same... else moreno would also have been sold or being prepared for some loan deal already.

Never said he wasn't. Just that some of us seems to be fixated on his supposed prowess on the offensive end when he is only above average at best in my opinion. It has always been Klopp's style to try to work and improve players instead of replacing them. That is a fact everyone knew even before we signed him. No reason to turn our backs on him now just because he believes he trust his players to improve under his tutelage.

no one ever said he was good defensively... but he does offer the width that was so sorely missing against burnley.

the thing with moreno is his built is obviously not meant for the physical english defending where u need to be like 6'3 and 77kg or something.
moreno is still a man trapped in a boy's body... and his lack of defensive manhood is further exaggerated by our confused defensive midfielders... lack of a good CB pairing... and Mignolet.

I know he isn't good defensively but I'm not impressed by him on the offensive end either. Poor decision making and below average crossing are my main qualms about him.

its actually just his presence there that is needed to spread opposition defences that like to park the bus rather than continuously trying to penetrate thru the middle.
klopp definitely got his tactics wrong against burnley... naivety perhaps as he still hasn't done a full season here yet.

Playing Moreno as left back is better than putting Milner there.
Just saying. We really got not much choices and having a natural left footer there is certainly a better option unless Moreno is out injured/unavailable.

If we are really hate to buy a lb in this window, then just put milner on the right and let clyne play full defensive mode on the left...should be better that way

But Clyne is already on 2 assists so early in the season. Would be sad to have to sacrifice him this way after such a good start.

good thing about moreno so far is his fitness imo