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post Jan 13 2020, 11:34 AM

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thanks for both lists lightworks and 90Boyz

I just found out that there are also weekly 5k park runs in Taman Pudu Ulu and Precinct 18 Putrajaya at 730AM on Saturdays. Free entry with timing - just have to register in advance.

On a separate note, which events do you more experienced runners enjoy the most? For whatever reason?

I've done 3 half Marathons - PJ, SCKL and Penang Bridge. I've found the PJ route the most enjoyable, with the SCKL route having too much highway running (which I find really boring) and Penang Bridge (stupid bottlenecks). So my experience is very limited and would love recommendations (with reasons) for races to join.

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post Jan 13 2020, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Jan 13 2020, 12:13 PM)
PJ Half too hilly , run die me  sad.gif
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Haha - the cemetary climb before SRK kampung tunku was the worst/(best?) - And I did enjoy the Taman SEA hill which seemed so much bigger when I was went to school there.
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post Jan 16 2020, 09:57 AM

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Oh that's it man - Registered for the PJ half and I just got bumped up into the senior age category (45-54).. no more competing with you young bucks lol
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post Jan 23 2020, 11:47 AM

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PSA: KLSCM public registration is open - finally got my HM registration through after fighting with their servers for an hour.
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post Mar 21 2020, 09:02 AM

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Day 4 of the lock down and I'm getting really frustrated.

Theres been this infographic in the form of a FAQ circling around that you're not allowed to go to the park in your neighbourhood to run.

This is what the law actually says on what you can and cannot do during this period.

http://www.federalgazette.agc.gov.my/outpu..._PUA91_2020.pdf

Basically these regulations say things - 1. no mass gatherings for sporting purposes in parks. 2. No going from one place to another unless for an exception (groceries, food, essential services etc).

The fact that public parks are operated by our Councils MBPJ, DBKL etc means they also have a right to close them means that the advice on not running in public parks is probably correct.

However, running from your house and immediately back to your house is not restricted based on those regulations as it only prohibits travelling from one place to another.

It is also legally permissible to cycle/run to the shop to pick up your groceries.

However, I don't want to end up viral like that Penang doctor filmed arguing with the police in a park - there seems to be a lot of people who think that they can catch or spread Covid-19 just be looking at them and that's the frustrating part. I know this is an unpopular opinion at this point in time but I just had to get it off my chest.

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post Mar 21 2020, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(skyfusion @ Mar 21 2020, 11:47 AM)
Bro, i understand your frustration. Imagine we run 4/5 times a week but then now we unable to. But try to think that on +ve side. Its for everyone benefit. Its for benefit of your family, frens or love ones. I already stop runnig 3 weeks already and what I can do is HIIT at home to maintain my stamina. Our COVID cases are increasing and our trend is much more like Italy 2 weeks back. Can you imagine our number in 2 weeks after this?

I live in apartment and by right I do not have any issue to run within our apartment area. But me and my runner frens here decided not to do our running routine as we want to play our role as caring citizen. Who know that among us are carrier, then after we jog we touch someone car or even the staircase railing or mebbe when we push the lift button or sweat stays there?

Its sad to see videos of people still wandering around seems like nothing is happening rite now. And some maybe threat this 14days as Cuti cuti Malaysia. Sigh  sweat.gif

Hope you see where i'm coming from bro. Stay safe ya
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I have to do meal prep for 4 people 3 times a day. So I have no choice but to go out for groceries. Not everyone can afford to eat out or Grab like some bangsawan. With online deliveries fully booked, many people including me have to go out to get food. With many big shops not really minimising numbers, places like these are the worst transmission vectors. It's either starve or take the risk. Compared to going out to buy food/groceries running (solo) is so much safer

If you're not sick - maintaining Social Distancing is what everyone should be doing. If you're sick you definitely shouldn't be out. Irrespective of whether someone has touched your car/railing/stairway - you should not be touching your face and you should be washing your hands frequently.

Anyway - stay safe bro.
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post Mar 27 2020, 08:55 PM

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Out of curiosity, how fast do these treadmills go. I was doing intervals at 5’05 min/km before the MCO and was wondering what you get at the budget level.
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post Mar 30 2020, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(biastee @ Mar 28 2020, 09:09 AM)
In the <RM1k range, typically 12 - 14 km/h.
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Thanks for the info. Going from running 5-6 times a week to 0 has been really difficult for me. Now I'm really tempted by that top-end decathlon one because the lower end ones are only rated for 5 hours per week use.
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post Jun 11 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(turndownforhuat @ Jun 10 2020, 05:29 PM)
Anybody tried On running shoes before?
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Used the cloudflow for most of last year - logged about 1000km on them. Light and fast - used for up to 21km distance. They are what you'd expect for a RM600 pair of running shoes - the only problem is, they hardly seem to go on sale locally.

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post Jul 27 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Jul 27 2020, 10:34 AM)
ah ok thanks!
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If you're starting out - which I'm assuming you are since NRC has you doing a 5k as a long run, then I would suggest following their programme. Yes they're asking you to go at that 10 minute pace per KM although that's pretty much a walking pace.

I think these calculators are great as they provide objective paces for training. But not at the beginner stage when you're still trying to get the aerobic fitness to run without taking breaks.

Also those paces are worthless unless they are used with properly designed workouts for what you're trying to achieve.
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post Jul 27 2020, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Jul 27 2020, 01:28 PM)
yea I'm a total beginner when it comes to running...just finished couch to 5k...so now trying out 10k hah
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Congratulations! Soon those 5k runs won't be long enough for you. If you've done c25k, i think that nike run club pace might be too slow for you. Don't worry about your pace for now and just take it easy so you can enjoy your running.
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post Jul 28 2020, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 28 2020, 09:05 AM)
Firstly, thanks Pugbunny for recommending the Running Calculator app from Playstore!

Secondly, I've read a lot of articles/blogs that emphasizes on the importance of doing Easy Runs primarily for training. Majority regarded Easy Runs as the pace where you'll be able to hold a conversation and/or talk coherently without gasping and stopping for air, while jogging. Here's my dilemma/question: I'm able to hold a constant pace of 8mins/1km steadily. But the calculator states that my Easy Run should be somewhere along the lines of 9mins to 11mins per km (I personally feel it's too slow). Should I follow my body and jog at 8min/1km, or go slower?

Thirdly, I'm a newbie in training for long run, HM (21km) specifically. For a beginner like me, should I aim more on:
(i) Quicken my pace per distance (I.e.: Reduce from say, 10mins/1km to 7mins/1km for a fixed 10km distance),
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(ii)Increase the mileage of training as I go along? (I.e.: 10km in week 1, 12km in week 2, etc...)?
Extra remarks: I took part in 2019 Penang Bridge International Marathon HM without training , and I failed to make it in time because I cramped both of my calves and ankles at 15km mark. By the time I walked the remaining 6km to the finish line, it has already passed 5 hours  bangwall.gif
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What speed do you use for the speed calculator? Have you done a 5k time trial or a 10k time trial where when you finish you have nothing left in the tank? if so then that speed should be correct. If it's not an all out time then it's probably too slow. If you can talk easily at 8mins/k then that's your easy pace. I personally use the following pace calculator in conjunction with Jack Daniels' workouts.

https://runsmartproject.com/calculator/

A lot of people here say you have to run easy and that's true - but the real reason you run easy is so that you can run more. You take it easy so that you increase your mileage, take less rest days while at the same time keeping the risk of injury low. As a beginner, you should focus on building a base level of fitness - which basically means getting comfortable enough with a level of mileage. There's also nothing wrong with doing things like strides - 20second sprints followed by 1 min rest at the end of my easy runs. If you're only doing 10km a week, then in my opinion you should focus on increasing your weekly mileage. Run easily more frequently and the speed will come as you become fitter. Doing long runs and speed training is not going to help much if you need 2 or 3 days to recover from them.

Having said that, I'm still a novice with 2 years of running under my belt so I still have a lot to learn. I did 4 HMs last year, the last one being the Penang Bridge HM. I hated the traffic jams in that race but managed to finished in under 2:30 training with very little training the month before the race ( although strava tells me i did 1033km in 2019). With no races this year, my goals this year are to increase my mileage to 50km a week consistently and to go from 27min 5k to 25min and eventually get the fitness to go sub 2hrs in the HM distance.

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post Aug 4 2020, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 4 2020, 12:28 AM)
Thanks for the tips!
I'm using the Runners Pub calculator from android app store. And I haven't done 5k or 10k time trial specifically. I'm just focusing on trying to cover as much distance I can at 1hr mark.

Also, say I'm comfortable with running at a distance of 7km per hour on weekdays basis. Then would it be wise to allocate a single-day workout (on weekend) where I run longer (10km)? I'd love to do this, but I'm afraid I'll be putting a shock to my legs with the additional 3km distance.
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If you're just starting out consistency is probably the most important part about running - that means actually getting out and running. Don't worry about distance and definitely don't worry about pace. I feel for a beginner, 1 hour a day of running is actually a lot. There's no point in doing 1 hour runs if you need 2 or 3 days to recover... 30-35 mins a day is a good amount but try to increase the number of runs you do a week. A weekend long run is actually very beneficial - 20-25% of weekly mileage is about right for a long run so this can be your hour long run.

For comparison, right now my mileage is about 35-40km a week and most of my workouts are between 40-50 minutes a session and I run 5-6 times a week depending on my schedule and how I feel. It's not too much stress but at the same time good enough to feel (and measure) the improvements in my fitness.


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post Aug 6 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 6 2020, 12:56 AM)
Ah thanks! For the record I just tried running for only 45 minutes yesterday morning. I still feel like I could keep on running a kilometer or two, but I think that should be my capped duration (for now). This leads to my next question: How long/When should I increase my daily mileage (say from 7km to 8km)? After a month of training, or, do I ramp it up depending on my body's capacity?


When you are training, you should never feel like you have 0 left in the tank. That's for races.

Look at increasing mileage week to week rather than daily. As a rule of thumb, the generally accepted wisdom is maximum 10% a week increase - for about 3 weeks and then reduced mileage for the 4th week. I feel that is really aggressive, the most important thing is to actually really listen to your body. Your will greatly improve your cardiovascular system and your muscles when you increase your mileage, unfortunately - connective tissue such as tendons and ligaments have a slower rate of improvement and these need to become stronger to avoid injuries. This is different for everyone depending on how trained you are/how heavy etc.

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And also, would you encourage the use of getting a smart watch for monitoring heart rate and oxygen concentration? I've been using Strava for a while now and I don't think I can get much data out of it (apart from duration, distance and pacing for every kilometer).
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I love my watch and I can't imagine running without one. Started with an apple watch for a year and a half and I'm now on a garmin FR945. You can run for half an hour and spend another half hour looking at your stats lol. Built in GPS is useful - means you can run without a phone. HR is very useful - I use it for zone training and managing intensity. I don't think oxygen concentration is a stat that smart watches measure unless you're talking about VO2max and it's all algorithm based anyway.
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post Sep 1 2020, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Vrese @ Aug 29 2020, 09:24 PM)

Hoka shoes are weird. But it look fast & conformable though. Don't mind to try if it available here
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Pavilion KL.

They have a Running Lab here and the Hoka Clifton Edge is available here - They also have a treadmill for you to try on.

The mall has a lot of different enthusiast running shoes - Royal Sporting House has the Saucony Endorphin Speed you were looking for previously. A lot of the latest shoes are available here including carbon plated ones like the asics metaracer and adizero pro.
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post Sep 1 2020, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(sicklad77 @ Aug 30 2020, 03:33 PM)
Hellooo there sifus, surely been answered a lot but I need some advice.

Just started running ever since mco. But my pace is extremely slow.. 11”-10”
but coming in for the 5th month where I struggle to run non stop to Even 1km, I manage to do per run at 5km and last night I managed to do a 10km runs For the second time in my life. But it took me 1h:40min  doh.gif

I know I’m slow, but if I pushed on pace on my runs I can see my watch telling my heart rate will jump to zone 4&5 and I could last only a few 2-3Kms only and would be painting heavily after.

if u ask what’s my objective, well I’ve been losing a lot weight with these constant running. From 83kg to 78kg now. But running it’s fun. But Im starting to feel bored Running for more than 1hr 30mins just to get to 10km.

1) Should I just keep running the way I am, keeping my heart rate lower and keep running more frequently and wait for my pace getting better slowly or go for short runs less than 5km but run faster to let me body get used to faster pace?

2) is it weird after when I started running months ago my whole body aches but nowadays after every run only my left betis and sometime right betis as well je yang Akan sore after every run, whereas my friends when they run they complain their knees hurts instead. Is landing feet for my running stride is wrong?
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If you're struggling to complete 1k i would recommend doing a couch to 5k programme. The whole idea behind such a programme is to get you used to running 5k or 30mins+ continously. Don't worry about zones - just take it easy and run+walk your way to 5k - 10min/km Is not a speed i would consider as running.

What the hell is a right and left betis? Running correctly nothing should hurt. A main cause of hurting knees is usually caused by people trying to run too fast and overstriding - although there can be many reasons.
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post Sep 2 2020, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Sep 1 2020, 11:18 PM)
I have this niggling discomfort to my right inner foot that doesn't go away for months. Normally it flares up after some km on a treadmill. I am looking for some supplements to aid my recovery but have no idea. I thought I can get some recommendations base on others experiences. Seems i have no luck.

Now I have another question, do you all recommend me to consult a Chiropractor or other specialists? Need to see the right ones.

All this while,
I have tried to get some answers from the YouTube channel. Learned  a few physio therapy exercise which I did with some results. But its still bothering me therefore I think I should get some professional help before it's too late.

Thank you senior here!
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See a real doctor - preferably a podiatrist. There is a lot of crap medical advice based on quack science on these forums in particular and there is not enough information to diagnose what you have based on the limited information you have given us is. It's like the story of the 3 blind men trying to describe an elephant.

No supplements will work. The best thing for healing connective tissue is sleep, rest and having a balanced diet.
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post Sep 17 2020, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Patt_Hup @ Sep 17 2020, 01:56 PM)
*Asking for opinion
Recently i did a 10K run and I found that my heart rate is consistently at Zone 5 w/ avg HR of 180. I dont feel particularly 'too tired' throughout the run but I'm wondering if it's bad if i keep train like this 2/3 times a wekk.
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How old are you? How are your zones calculated? Is your Heart Rate monitor chest strap or wrist based? What's your mileage per week?

Whenever I hear about people running at 180bpm, my first reaction is that HRM is cadence locked - that means your HRM is confusing the number of steps you're taking a minute with your heart rate.

If your data can't be relied on there's nothing wrong with running by feel - and most running should be done at an easy pace.
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post Sep 17 2020, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Patt_Hup @ Sep 17 2020, 03:52 PM)
I'm 33, using Garmin watch to track my HR. I guess my HR zones are calculated based on 220-age.  I'm doing about 20-25km/week but not really consistent throughout the month.
Based on the data, my avg cadence is 172, somewhat closed to my avg HR. Do you mean that HRM from watch is not really accurate?
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I seriously doubt your HR is averaging 180 on a 10k run especially at 33yrs (I'm not trying to make assumptions about your ability). IF I was 33 and I'm not - that would be higher than my LTHR and i would expect that HR for VO2max intervals. 95% of my max HR is damn tough...

My suspicion is that the HRM from your watch is not accurate - maybe the solution is that its not tight enough.
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post Sep 26 2020, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 26 2020, 02:26 PM)
Not sure whether this is the right these to ask the question.

I have a chest strap heart rate monitor. I would like to have a "dummy" fitness tracker that can connect to my chest strap HRM just for me to monitor/view the heart rate during running instead of using the HR sensor on the fitness tracker/watch. I dislike wearing watches all the time that's why I opt for chest strap HRM instead of fitness band/watch.

One example of such dummy watch is like Sigma id.go watch.

Any recommendations? Thanks
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https://www.decathlon.my/?query=heart%20rate

Plenty here and cheap.

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