Apologies if someone ask this before.

Anyone use ceramic coating to protect their bodywork or using clear self healing film?

Big SUV need some pamper. Have a few quotes on ceramic coating which a lot cheaper vs clear film. Heard it wouldn't last as long as the film.

Any recommendation around KL or Johor would be nice.

Thanks in advance for info.

coating to me is bs. some even charge near to 2k for coating.

rather get the money to respray the whole car

^this...... i would rather respray the car, coating is to me a waste of your money

I'm contemplating on whether to do coating may it be glass or ceramic either. Any input guys? Gtechniq quoted 4k for the 'crystal serum' package that comes with 7 years warranty lol. Point noted on using that 4k for respray however would like to hear from those who had done the coating and how's the outcome?

Thats cheap. I just got a quote for rm15k wrap the whole car.

4k for coating? Seriously???


Damn

I also thinking to do coating just for the sake of easier to wipe out the sticky dirt

i have not used/done any GTechniq coating before, but Crystal Serum is really tough. Only wetsanding can remove the layer, not by normal polishing/compounding.

4k with 7 years warranty, coating inside outside, plus more than roughly 10 hours workmanship. It's up to your judgement to decide whether it worth the value

If you have extra budget, of course film wrap is the way to go haha.

two different material for different purpose

to protect paint use wrap film

to enhance/looks the paint use coating

buy a cheap bottle of maguire quick wax and spend 10 minutes to wax every month. Regardless how much money you are willing to spend, you still can't control the world.

7 years warranty is BS in my opinion. Will you be keeping the car for 7 years? Will the business still be around for 7 years? Even if they are still around will you bother about your car's appearance after 3 years? Even if you bother and they are still around will they continue to entertain you for 7 years? The last point is important because the reality sometimes does not match the warranty. My friend went back to recoat twice in 3 years during his 5 years warranty. After the second time the boss told him politely that since he has claimed twice he should not come again. So believe 7 years at your own risk.

Ask them what it's covered for 7 years. It's plain rubbish most of the time and they don't even cover watermarks! Why not you spend 4K wrapping your car and just remove it off after 7 years, you get the same beautify original paint i:)

i try once back in 2008 or 2009, one simple layer of coating ...... result unacceptable as my white car become yelloish, from there onward never try coating anymore, but that is last decade techology

How u wax whole car in 10 minutes? So fast!!!! Am i doing it wrongly?? Teach me how u did it in 10 minutes?

hurmm..make sense.. is it better go for normal polish n wax regularly?

paint protection coating is indeed mostly BS. a good clear coat is going to be a much much better protection. If i were to spend a few K doing a coating, I rather put the money to send to a good paint shop for clear coating.

the other thing not many people discuss is the actual quality of the factory paint. for example, Honda is know for very soft clear coat that does not wear well compared to many of its european counterparts. so again, i will prefer to spend on enhancing the paint.

remember, your clear coat/paint is to protect your car and having a coating to protect the protector is like wearing a condom to protect your condom

The problem with this strategy is the film wrap is not going to last 7 years. I think it may last only 1 year plus before it looks bad and you need to remove it.

Film wrap is even more expensive and wasting money than coating.

How u spray wax? U r using spray type of wax?

I think the coating warranty doesn't cover waterspot/watermark issues. Have to go for 6-month/annual maintenance to clean-up these. That's the fuss part.

No la, PPF can last roughly 5 years. But usually tycoon/really-rich-guy will go for full car wrapping because it's too expensive already. People usually do PPF on hood/bumper because PPF provide good resistant to stone-chip.

This post has been edited by windskill: Aug 3 2016, 02:17 PM

I had both CeramicPro 9H coating and Xpel Ultimate from GGuard on my car.

Need to know:
1. Coating cannot prevent stonechip (Xpel does with self-healing)
2. Both get watermarks due to improper wash and acid rain (Ceramicpro provide free maintenance for watermarks)(Xpel can also get water marks but can be removed easily too)
3. Coating can get swirls from machine-wash/bangla wash due to improper washing techniques. (Xpel is okay with all kind of washes as it is self-healing)
4. Cost for whole car, coating is cheaper, Xpel is slightly higher for whole car (recommended if you have Ferrari) and recommended for front part.
5. Both depends on warranty
6. Xpel best for black car as the swirl is easy to see, white car might yellow after 7-10 years of warranty and improper care.
7. There are many other ppf but make sure the brand is reputable as cheaper ppf tends to yellow/lose self-healing effect in short time
8. Coating wise CeramicPro Sunway has the best service and professional. GGuard Glenmarie provide best/original ppf like Xpel and also coating too.

If your car is expensive PPF is recommended as the original paint is always better.

Respraying might not give you the paint that is near to original paint as the original factory paint normally required higher temp to cure.
The color can be near but the paint quality will be different.

With all the plastic parts and glass in your car, curing with high temp is not possible as it might melt your other parts.
In factory, the original paint is normally spray onto car body with frame only, and can bake at high temp to cure it.

That is the reason why expensive cars like Ferrari all wrapped with Xpel to protect the original paint, resale value also much higher.

Just my 2 cents bro.

This post has been edited by garrick86: Aug 4 2016, 11:05 AM

Thanks but my friend used to have 3M wrap on his car and lasted years without issues. I'm not sure about cheaper quality papers though. To be fair, if it lasts 4-5 years, I feel it's not bad.

I've asked and they don't cover watermarks so I'm not sure what potentially could go real bad that they will cover. If I need to spend 4,000 and still need to worry how to wash my car, where to park, how frequently we should wash, etc then I think it's a bad investment.

No matter how hard i take care of my car, there will always the stone chip at my front bumper, front engine hood.

For me better get the car repainting like every 3 years

Agreed. Poor man's way is just respray, once and for all.

Very detail review. Thank you. Our is just a volvo. But respray the car is not an option either.

What i would recommend to you is:

1. Easy maintenance: Coat your car with CeramicPro 9H, so far best service/product I have seen, either the RM2k+ for 3 layer or RM 4k+ for 6 layers.

2. Stonechip protection: Wrap front with Xpel Ultimate from GGuard (the only authorised reseller in Malaysia), either, bumper around (RM2k) or full front bonnet around RM6k+

Actually both CeramicPro and GGuard also provide both coating + ppf. You can negotiate with them and compare.

Great write-up here. I guess this should clear some people's confusions on coating and PPF.

Authentic 3M scotchprint/carwrap film has better quality and leaves minimal to almost-none glue residue after removal. Yeap, typical car wrap film / PPF can last roughly 5 years as I mentioned previously. 5 years and beyond is possible as well, but I would say there are too many external factors that determine the longevity of carwrap film/PPF.

You got your point there too. Spent 4k but still need to worry how to clean your car and where to park the car.
However, I think you shouldn't be worry too much on how to protect a protection layer. If a car coating worth 4k and claim to be able to withstand the harsh environment (eg: resistant to acidic/alkali chemical, anti-graffiti, minimize waterspotting, uv protection,etc.), it should be able to perform as expected and just let the coating does its job. Plus, you always have warranty to back you up if anything goes wrong. Coating warranty varies across car detailing shop, and one should check with what's covered/not covered getting your car to be coated. Most importantly, make sure the customer service/after-sales service is good!

In term of car wash, you can send back to the same car detailing shop which does the coating for your car. Should be standard price (around RM15-ish per wash) . Otherwise, you can opt for DIY. Learn the correct car wash technique and wash bi-weekly/once per month depends on how OCD you are.

If 4k is out of your budget, you can always get alternative coating, yet cheaper solution (1k-2k). Otherwise, get a good sealant/wax and DIY yourself.

Just my 2cent


This post has been edited by windskill: Aug 4 2016, 12:58 PM

so paint coating is pointless?

Unnecessary IMO. It does not protect against stone chips, scratches, bird poo, tree sap, acid rain, watermarks or UV light discolouring your paint. You also need to take good care of the coating including using special shampoo and cloth in some cases. It is supposed to protect your paintwork but you need more care to protect the coating than the paintwork.

Instead of coating just apply a layer of wax every month.

I would say so too. There are so many different coatings from different supplier, most will be different spec but all required effort to protect the coating.

Normally polishing/compound would actually remove parts of your clear coat if the bird poo, water warks, dirt has went deep into the clear coat.

Coating is like a sacrificial layer on top of your clear coat.
With coating, you have additional layer on top of the clear coat that can be removed/maintained without removing the original clear coat on the car.
It is good for normal user without experience of diy car wash/diy polish or dont care about car care.

If you are a car care enthusiast ie Meguiar's fan that spend alot of time into DIY car maintenance, you would know how to clean/protect your car yourself and coating is definitely be useless to you. You would wash, clay, wax, polish, compound the dirt before it gets deep into the clear coat and maintain with wax that last 3-6 months (due to Malaysia weather).

So for coating wise, choose a vendor that provide free maintenance service such as watermark removal or minor touch up etc.

There are vendors that charge for every maintenance and there are better ones that do it for free under warranty.

Thank you for the great advise. Very appreciated. GGuard is the 1 wanted RM18k for whole car wrap.

WHy not?

Boxter the salesmen quoated some crystal coat is 3700+ about 3 years back. After quote look like same only.

Like Ginny88 said, too much work needed to protect the coating. if you dun follow instructions then you might void the warranty on your coating. kinda dumb. might as well you get a good bottle of quickwax and wipe down your car after every wash. 1k can buy you a lifetime supply of quickwax. lol

maybe just put wrap film on high prone area like front bumper n front lhood. rest apply coating.

Haha no point wrapping whole car if it is not ferrari, just do front part will helps alot.

I think if you Xpel frombumper + coating with gguard it will be cheaper.
There is a similar package with ceramicpro + magnuspro too.

The front and back definitely is a must.

But the doors and the lower side sill need to as well because its not black matte plastic. We going off road sometime.

wah brand new xc90....

Since your car is black (yellowing doesnt matter), maybe you can contact MagnusPro for full wrap, price will be definitely cheaper than original Xpel. Quality/warranty wise im not too sure.



Or you can try asking for 3M scotchgard or Oraguard ppf around.

full body wrapping is good - on an expensive car. unless want to change color. coating on paint is not worth IMO. i coat just a tiny area of glossy plastic at my b-pillar because that part is black and annoyingly easy to get scratched.

anyway, just want some opinion. is front bumper wrap for white car recommended? afraid that the color will not age nicely - bumper looks newer than body. then again, front part is really hard to take care of.

just spray and wipe off only. That's why call quick wax. cannot last as long as pro waxing thing. Nowadays I wash my car +- 2 months 1 time. I can't recall when was the last time I wax my car. Maybe 6-7 years ago.

How do you appreciate the beauty of your car by wrapping it up? It's like wearing a raincoat when you take a shower. Well, at least the next owner will benefit.

Yes, if you have a nice new car it would definitely be recommended. Stonechips on black/white paint is very obvious.

However, if your car already got stonechips then no point wrapping it anymore.

Front wrapping from minimal Bumper Only > Bikini (Bumper + half front bonnet) > Full hood (Bumper+Full front bonnet)

Bikini is ugly as you can see a clear line. If you car is low (not suv) then full bonnet is recommended as the lower car are more prone to stonechips on front bonnet.

We talking about clear film. Not those colour matte/gloss wrap.

Anybody knows what's the rough cost of fully wrapping a car with self healing PPF ?

Getting a new car with black paint, and bird poop is a frequent nuisance that leaves a permanent mark on my cars.

Thanks!

Thanks!

did mine for 7k+k 2 years ago for Xpel PPF

How's it after 2 years++? Your feedback will be really priceless and helpful, since vendors when do demo, its always brand new. Some products after about a year or two, koyak already.

Slight peeling on the edges at the bumper and some sharp corners. No discolouring etc. Overall still 9/10

Sounds good. Where did you do it? Mind to share more info? Will PM you. Thanks.

hi, I was interested to have PPF film on the front bumper, headlamp, front bonnet & side mirror. can I know will my headlamp crack if I did this PPF on it.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Jun 25 2020, 08:57 PM

Mind if I ask under what situation in your mind that doing ppf on headlight will make it crack?😅

I have done ppf on my headlight, after 3 years still ok. Need to take care of my headlight, replacement headlight is rm7k lol.

No issue for car under hot sun daily for the headlights? Cz saw few cases in car group fb, headlights crack. Maybe they use the cheap headlights film than ppf

My dad's 2014 CRV had LLumar PPF on his headlights and until today (6 years) there is no sign of crack so no worries. I'm planning to do PPF as well probably end of July. Check this out (Magnus Pro PPF) and this is for small suv.

Yes, potential crack. Saw it in Porsche too. Did it superb reputable brand. As the film shrink under sun and the clear coat got pull way too hard that it crack

Oh even with ppf it will crack the headlights? Ok noted thanks