The only difference between gtr2 and rfactor is how they provide feedbacks to you. They are totally the same thing. You can change gtr2 physics to behave like rfactor and rfactor to gtr2.

Just enjoy the game or mods. I like some mods and I hate some. All CTDP mod is great , V8 supercars and f179. But honestly I don't like the Gallardo, HRC and Kart mod. But nobody forced you to play anyway.

I know some would hate me for making such comments. But I hate it when people argue what physics is real and what is not based on only visual cues and feeling for the car. Your arguments or your accusations are only become credible if you can provide numbers, formula and mathematical model as a backup.

You see guys, majority decision is always best describe as fallacious since minority is actually involved in the real thing. Hopefully you will get what I mean here.

The best racing games of all times would be NFS if majority is to decide what is best. But if you ask racers, engineers alike what best represents the real thing? you might get the surprise of your life.

So where to draw the fine line between actual reality and exaggerated reality? this subject I believe is better off if we leave it for the expert <--read minority.

So my stand is always to appreciate and support simracing no matter what. It's a niche and critical market, so give the guys some room to breathe and keep the unfounded critics to yourself.

You see when I made such comments, it was general not in specifics. My practise is that those type of comments will never have any intended targets. It's for everybody to consume or reject.

There is a saying that perfectly associates this whole arguments

"A blind leading a blind"

No, forget about them. I'm glad about what they did. It's US that tells people which one is better physics wise. Maybe if you have to be critical about it leave out the physics department<---oops you can criticize the damage modeling though.

Oops, first of all, when did I say they don't have a clue?

Well okay, I give the benefit of the doubts to developers. But what about modders then?

What sort of data they based on? telemetry only? How about vehicle structural dynamics? changes to the temperatures? Deflection of the chassis? Rigidity and I can go on.

If you know basic engineering, these parameters are the key to a successful mathematical modeling which is also the simulation itself.

And I don't think the ISI engine and GT engine are capable of simulating all these.

I'm sorry Evohahn, these are not an indication of how good a simulation is, it's only a marketing speak to me.

As for Jeremy's case, you can use sims for knowing tracks and braking points and strategise your race. But I refuse to go further than that.

This post has been edited by PCcrazy: Feb 1 2007, 08:46 PM

"A blind leading a blind" <---directed to us the ignorant simracers. Perhaps I should have been more clear about that.

Evo, the basics modeling of the car is correct to some extent. This I agree but development sometimes is limited due to several known reason. One for example is the lack of collaboration with real teams hence no real data. But we have decent sims afterall right?

Hey, I consider this as a sharing of ideas and philosophy. This was never a debate.

Evo the reason I trigger all this long junk was to debunked the idea that one physics is better than another because I feel it so reason.

This post has been edited by PCcrazy: Feb 1 2007, 09:40 PM

OMG this is what I fear most. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. It's against my principles to do just that. Please we are one community and we seek to improve our knowledge by sharing and saying our opinions.

Sabelt I hope we can correct whatever mistakes that makes you feel this way. Please say so and I will do whatever that is necessary to correct it.



True we will prefer whatever that suit us best. But if I'm not mistaken FFB can be modified to suit us. I modded my FFB for rfactor so that the "steer weight grip steering" is light and rumble effect is set to minimal so I can attack the curb like a maniac.

This post has been edited by PCcrazy: Feb 2 2007, 12:57 AM

That is godlike laptime.

Am not fast here, struggling for traction out of corners. Im lucky to visit podium here.

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Aku pun dekat ajer bangi ke kajang - will reach there in no time.

Yes with Donny race to be postponed...

1. maranello
2. des_k
3. pittqis
4. sabelt

Nay to postpoment

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kategori "aiman tak kisah"

1. karom


kategori "test race v8factor bathurst"

1. PCcrazy

This post has been edited by PCcrazy: Feb 7 2007, 08:36 PM

I will come. I want to meet old timers and makan satay with them. Listen to their boyhood stories and let them pay for all the food in the end.

Yup we sure have a race tonight. Everybody is busy thinking of strategy and things like that. I know tonight I will face a stiff competition from you guys.

Congratulations. it was no luck since you are fast and consistent here. You guys are really quick at getting this sim business work out.

Not a FPS killer if I have one of the cards in your posession.

I think I'm gonna get myself a G25, so who wants my logi momo for dirt cheap price. More than half price of the original price.

Great mod, both skyline and DTM series are my fav. Good just can't leave GTR2 yet.

If that's the case then I won't waste my time dloading the mods.

Evo if he needs some cash I can chip in to ease some burden.